Piracy Did We Seal Our Own Fate? - GoFuckYourself.com

Jace · 02-04-2008, 12:54 AM

Read the whole thing at http://www.mikesouth.com/mike-south-...own-fate-1849/

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The entry into this business required about as much talent and about as much capital. We started emphasizing quantity over quality and we made no efforts to control our output. We completely ignored the first rule of success in entertainment, ?leave them wanting more?

We inundated the market with the cheapest product we could shit out, comps, sell throughs, catalog content, then we repackaged all the same content and sold it over and over. And I?m not talking just companies that specialized in bargain basement porn, I?m talking companies that wanted to be known for their quality.

We let anyone who could hold a camera proclain him/herself a ?director? and we assumed that just because some chick who dropped out of high school could suck cock then she could be a director.

And for ten years we dumped this shit on the market at the rate of ONE THOUSAND releases a MONTH. That?s 250 porn videos a WEEK.

Now many of those companies have come and gone and video companies struggle to survive in a market where predatory distributors will take as long as possible to pay you, hoping to starve you out so that they don?t have to pay at all.

All of this leaves a LOT of porn with no owner and no one with any money to protect the copyright.

seeric · 02-04-2008, 12:57 AM

im gonna buy this guy a beer someday.

Odin · 02-04-2008, 01:00 AM

Capitalism is MEANT to make things better for the consumer. The adult industry isn't a monopoly, and thus capitalism works. Can't whinge about legitimate free porn too much, it's like telco's crying because they didn't collude on prices a long time ago.

Jace · 02-04-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

im gonna buy this guy a beer someday.

he lives like 2 miles from me, come to atlanta and hang with us for a weekend

seeric · 02-04-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

he lives like 2 miles from me, come to atlanta and hang with us for a weekend

i would love to go to atlanta, its one of the few major cities i've never been to.

Jace · 02-04-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

i would love to go to atlanta, its one of the few major cities i've never been to.

anytime my man, you are always welcome in my home

seeric · 02-04-2008, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

anytime my man, you are always welcome in my home

like wise man.

bring the misses and we'll go out and light up l.a. a few nights.

RedShoe · 02-04-2008, 02:28 AM

Get a room you two.

comeplay · 02-04-2008, 05:40 AM

the dirrrty ATL

Iron Fist · 02-04-2008, 06:14 AM

scottybuzz · 02-04-2008, 06:57 AM

I dont know, is that article arguing that because there is so much content, thats why its being stolen?

I think the reason piracy is so strong is because of the ease in which the product can be stolen.

Look at software programs there are not hundreds of them produced every week, yet they are freely stolen because they can be transfered across the net easily.

Too much food in a supermarket is produced yet because the stealing is "in real life" and people get caught all the time it doesnt happen.

I agree with the article, but certainly dont think its the primary reason why piracy is so high.

Davy · 02-04-2008, 07:06 AM

It might not be the reason for piracy, but it sure is one of the reasons why sales are going down the drain.
But this biz had to go this way.

Startup costs are incredibly low. Webmasters need almost no skills at all. So do porn producers.

One of the most important rules of business was neglected: value creation is the key to success.
How can you sell something and create value when everybody can easily copy what you do?

Davy · 02-04-2008, 07:14 AM

The times where you could ask a girl to shoot pictures of her and get filthily rich of it are over.
Only businesses with innovative concepts that actually need skills to be set up will succeed.

Mutt · 02-04-2008, 07:18 AM

Mike's worth reading but what he's saying really doesn't have much if anything to do with the piracy issue. He's contending that years of producing tons of content, both crappy and good, has left this huge pile of content, some of it orphaned that the pirates and surfers are filling up on and we're losing customers. Surfers and pirates tend to have good taste, what draws surfers to tube sites and torrents is quality content - reducing how much content is produced and distributed wouldn't make any difference to a Tube or torrent site or to surfers who use them. What is Mike's magic number for the quanity of content that should be produced and released yearly?

I know he comes from the DVD side of the business more than the web side and that side of the biz has contributed to its own ongoing demise. as we on the web side are now contributing to our own ongoing demise. the DVD side is just further into its death throes than us.

Davy · 02-04-2008, 07:24 AM

I just read the full article and it's nice to see him talk about value creation as well.

CheneyRumsfeld · 02-04-2008, 08:17 AM

same sorry horseshit that has been rehashed a million times already.
give it a break.

xmas13 · 02-04-2008, 08:40 AM

Plenty of technology, no regulations, Internet is a fertile environment for cyber pirates. You can't rely on human nature to not steal. You need laws, and cops to enforce them.

xmas13 · 02-04-2008, 08:43 AM

Fear= respect.

They spit on your face because they don't fear you.

Old "catch me if you can" game.

stickyfingerz · 02-04-2008, 09:03 AM

A lot of "We let"'s in that article. Can't stop people from getting involved in an open market.

mikesouth · 02-05-2008, 12:44 AM

Glad y'all liked it, or didn't I dont write to make you agree with me I write to make you think.

The video end of this biz reduced the value of product to that of a street walking crack whore and they are now going to reap what they have sown

mikesouth · 02-05-2008, 12:46 AM

and airek...anytime yer in the A T L hit me up or email/call me if I can help ya in any way. I may be critical at times but you wont ever get an opinion from me that isnt honest.

INever · 02-05-2008, 12:48 AM

I see the solution as highly niched and innovative content marketed in ways that limits piracy. See you at the flea market with my niche DVDs.

NinjaSteve · 02-05-2008, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RedShoe

Get a room you two.

and take pictures for the world to see

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Davy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,323	It might not be the reason for piracy, but it sure is one of the reasons why sales are going down the drain. But this biz had to go this way. Startup costs are incredibly low. Webmasters need almost no skills at all. So do porn producers. One of the most important rules of business was neglected: value creation is the key to success. How can you sell something and create value when everybody can easily copy what you do? Last edited by Davy; 02-04-2008 at 07:09 AM..

02-04-2008, 12:57 AM	#2
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	im gonna buy this guy a beer someday.

02-04-2008, 01:00 AM	#3
Odin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: au Posts: 2,545	Capitalism is MEANT to make things better for the consumer. The adult industry isn't a monopoly, and thus capitalism works. Can't whinge about legitimate free porn too much, it's like telco's crying because they didn't collude on prices a long time ago.

02-04-2008, 07:14 AM	#13
Davy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,323	The times where you could ask a girl to shoot pictures of her and get filthily rich of it are over. Only businesses with innovative concepts that actually need skills to be set up will succeed.

02-04-2008, 07:18 AM	#14
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Mike's worth reading but what he's saying really doesn't have much if anything to do with the piracy issue. He's contending that years of producing tons of content, both crappy and good, has left this huge pile of content, some of it orphaned that the pirates and surfers are filling up on and we're losing customers. Surfers and pirates tend to have good taste, what draws surfers to tube sites and torrents is quality content - reducing how much content is produced and distributed wouldn't make any difference to a Tube or torrent site or to surfers who use them. What is Mike's magic number for the quanity of content that should be produced and released yearly? I know he comes from the DVD side of the business more than the web side and that side of the biz has contributed to its own ongoing demise. as we on the web side are now contributing to our own ongoing demise. the DVD side is just further into its death throes than us. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

02-04-2008, 07:24 AM	#15
Davy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,323	I just read the full article and it's nice to see him talk about value creation as well.

02-04-2008, 08:17 AM	#16
CheneyRumsfeld Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,341	same sorry horseshit that has been rehashed a million times already. give it a break.

02-04-2008, 08:40 AM	#17
xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	Plenty of technology, no regulations, Internet is a fertile environment for cyber pirates. You can't rely on human nature to not steal. You need laws, and cops to enforce them. Last edited by xmas13; 02-04-2008 at 08:42 AM..

02-04-2008, 08:43 AM	#18
xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	Fear= respect. They spit on your face because they don't fear you. Old "catch me if you can" game.

02-04-2008, 09:03 AM	#19
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	A lot of "We let"'s in that article. Can't stop people from getting involved in an open market.

02-05-2008, 12:44 AM	#20
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	Glad y'all liked it, or didn't I dont write to make you agree with me I write to make you think. The video end of this biz reduced the value of product to that of a street walking crack whore and they are now going to reap what they have sown __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	and airek...anytime yer in the A T L hit me up or email/call me if I can help ya in any way. I may be critical at times but you wont ever get an opinion from me that isnt honest. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

02-05-2008, 12:48 AM	#22
INever Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .......in a niche, in orbit...... Posts: 3,839	I see the solution as highly niched and innovative content marketed in ways that limits piracy. See you at the flea market with my niche DVDs. __________________ I love Camdough