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  • RedShoe
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    • Feb 2001
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    #1

    This idiot wants to ban fractions even thought they're better.

    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...?se=yahoorefer


    Divide the number 1 into 3rds using a fraction and then try it using the decimal system.

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  • After Shock Media
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    #2
    Im sorry I went to public school in the US and can not do either of those tasks.

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    • Fletch XXX
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      #3
      Originally posted by After Shock Media
      Im sorry I went to public school in the US and can not do either of those tasks.
      i went to catholic (private) school and I do not do any number calculations without my calculator.

      Some may say thats silly, but Id rather know that the calculator is never wrong.

      Anyone else have a calculator in every room for ease of reach? lol

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      • StuartD
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        #4
        I loved math.... hated algebra.

        Now I do algebra for a living.

        Go figure.
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        • After Shock Media
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          #5
          Originally posted by Fletch XXX
          i went to catholic (private) school and I do not do any number calculations without my calculator.

          Some may say thats silly, but Id rather know that the calculator is never wrong.

          Anyone else have a calculator in every room for ease of reach? lol
          I use calculators too but at least at your fancy private school they taught you the proper forumlas to figure such tasks out. Without those calculators are only good for simple math.

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          • uno
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            #6
            Originally posted by StuartD
            I loved math.... hated algebra.

            Now I do algebra for a living.

            Go figure.
            I'd much rather do calculus than basic algebra.
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            • StuartD
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              #7
              Originally posted by uno
              I'd much rather do calculus than basic algebra.
              I'd rather be doing just about anything than basic algebra.
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              • Fletch XXX
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                #8
                Originally posted by After Shock Media
                I use calculators too but at least at your fancy private school they taught you the proper forumlas to figure such tasks out. Without those calculators are only good for simple math.
                doesn't matter what they taught me, I don't remember any of it!

                ratios and amount totals, is all I care about!

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                • Spunky
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                  #9
                  No wonder I failed Math..fractions hurts my head

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                  • papill0n
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by RedShoe
                    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...?se=yahoorefer


                    Divide the number 1 into 3rds using a fraction and then try it using the decimal system.
                    3.33 recurring

                    next

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                    • 96ukssob
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                      #11
                      fractions only get difficult when you are adding up noncommon denominators on the fly
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                      • StuartD
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by RageCash-Ben
                        3.33 recurring

                        next
                        Dividing 1 into 3rds gives you 3.33??

                        Buy a new calculator.
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                        • RedShoe
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                          • Feb 2001
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by RageCash-Ben
                          3.33 recurring

                          next
                          Ben.. now use fractions.

                          1 divided by 3 = 1/3 Simple.

                          Now then, 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 3/3 which is 1

                          But 1 divided by 3 in the decimal system = .33333333333333333 recuring

                          .33 +.33 +.33 = .99 Decimals are inaccurate.

                          This math professor in the article is a tool.

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                          • BannerAnt
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                            #14
                            idiot? - he's an award-winning professor in mathematics

                            certainly sounds like an idiot to me.

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                            • pet kangaroo
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                              #15
                              but

                              .33 recurring + .33 recurring + .33 recurring = 1.0

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                              • BannerAnt
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                i went to catholic (private) school
                                it's all starting to make sense now

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                                • RedShoe
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by BannerAnt
                                  idiot? - he's an award-winning professor in mathematics

                                  certainly sounds like an idiot to me.
                                  Gore got an award for telling us shit we already knew. Go figure.
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                                  • TSGlider
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                                    "One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. You can't travel in space, you can't go out into space, you know, without, like, you know, uh, with fractions – what are you going to land on – one-quarter, three-eighths? What are you going to do when you go from here to Venus or something? That's dialectic physics."
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                                    • woj
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                                      heh, so that's what those "award-winning professors" are pondering now a days... What's next? They'll want to ban color green, because blue is better?
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                                      • BannerAnt
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by RedShoe
                                        Gore got an award for telling us shit we already knew. Go figure.
                                        Marissa Tomei, won an award for My Cousin Vinny... go figure.
                                        let's not talk about Gore and his bullshit.

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                                        • P.CUBENSIS=D
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by RedShoe
                                          .33 +.33 +.33 = .99 Decimals are inaccurate.

                                          This math professor in the article is a tool.
                                          Decimals are precise , quite the contrary to 'inaccurate' ...


                                          I hate fractions anyway, computers don't use em, just like the tool said
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                                          • Malicious Biz
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                                            #22
                                            Fractions are sooo last week.

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                                            • RedShoe
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by P.CUBENSIS=D
                                              Decimals are precise , quite the contrary to 'inaccurate' ...


                                              I hate fractions anyway, computers don't use em, just like the tool said
                                              Well, still... no one has divided 1 into 3 equal parts using decimals yet.

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                                              • aico
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                                                #24
                                                I think he's 1/2 right.

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                                                • DigitalDruid
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by StuartD
                                                  I loved math.... hated algebra.

                                                  Now I do algebra for a living.

                                                  Go figure.
                                                  thats just god fucking with you.... ;)

                                                  Get on here and make some ca$h

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                                                  • RedShoe
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DigitalDruid
                                                    thats just god fucking with you.... ;)
                                                    Tell that to this man.

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                                                    • moeloubani
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                                                      #27
                                                      well thats just dumb, what about if you have two variables and you are dividing those? for example a/b = ? how can you express that in terms of a decimal, so much in mathematics later on is based on variables and constants that this would never work

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                                                      • Barefootsies
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                        Im sorry I went to public school in the US and can not do either of those tasks.
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                                                        • D Ghost
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                          Im sorry I went to public school in the US and can not do either of those tasks.

                                                          Same. WTF. MATH IS FOR FUCKING CALCULATORS.

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                                                          • V_RocKs
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                                                            #30
                                                            The guy needs to smoke less crack.

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                                                            I don't see how this is going to ever happen.

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                                                            • rowan
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                                                              #31
                                                              Anyone remember what the fraction 22/7 was used for?

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                                                              • RedShoe
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                The guy needs to smoke less crack.

                                                                "Yes, I'd like to order a pizza. Uhh, huh... On point five I would like pepperoni and on the other point five I'd like anchovies. Oh and on a point twenty-five of the pepperoni point five can I have Canadian bacon too? Thanks!"

                                                                I don't see how this is going to ever happen.

                                                                Didn't even think of that.

                                                                What will I say when people ask me if I'm white?
                                                                "No, I'm only point five. Point five white and point five mexiCAN."

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                                                                • RedShoe
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by rowan
                                                                  Anyone remember what the fraction 22/7 was used for?
                                                                  "What is a complete fraction that is used to solve an unsolvable math problem?"

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                                                                    • ADL Colin
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by RedShoe

                                                                      .33 +.33 +.33 = .99 Decimals are inaccurate.

                                                                      This math professor in the article is a tool.
                                                                      You can use simple algebra and be accurate. Just assume all the .33333's are repeating.

                                                                      Let x = .33333+.33333+.33333 = 3(.33333...)
                                                                      10x = 3*(3.33333) ; multiply both sides by 10.

                                                                      Subtract the first term from the first and solve for x.

                                                                      (10x-x) = 3*(3.33333)-3*(.33333)
                                                                      9x = 3(3.33333-.33333)
                                                                      9x = 3 (3)
                                                                      9x = 9
                                                                      x = 1


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                                                                      • Paul Markham
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        You have to learn modern methods and tools. but school is about training your brain to think and reason. not about finding the easiest way to do everything.

                                                                        Calculators are a tool. So is a bike, maybe in sport instead of running they should be telling you to get on a bike as it's easier and faster. The brain is like a muscle, exercise it and it works better.

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                                                                        • who
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                          but school is about training your brain to think and reason. not about finding the easiest way to do everything.
                                                                          That was probably true back in the 40's.

                                                                          Now, however, school is nothing but a daycare center for your children. Teachers are nothing but gimps earning a paycheck. They keep their job by making sure their students pass. They make sure their students pass by teaching them how to memorize answers, and how to use calculators effectively.

                                                                          There are no real teachers left anymore. That said, there are no real students either.

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                                                                          • ADL Colin
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            I know he doesn't say fractions should not be taught at all but it is funny to look at the blackboard behind him in the pic.


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                                                                            • RedShoe
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by ADL Colin
                                                                              You can use simple algebra and be accurate. Just assume all the .33333's are repeating.

                                                                              Let x = .33333+.33333+.33333 = 3(.33333...)
                                                                              10x = 3*(3.33333) ; multiply both sides by 10.

                                                                              Subtract the first term from the first and solve for x.

                                                                              (10x-x) = 3*(3.33333)-3*(.33333)
                                                                              9x = 3(3.33333-.33333)
                                                                              9x = 3 (3)
                                                                              9x = 9
                                                                              x = 1
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                                                                              • RedShoe
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by ADL Colin
                                                                                You can use simple algebra and be accurate. Just assume all the .33333's are repeating.

                                                                                Let x = .33333+.33333+.33333 = 3(.33333...)
                                                                                10x = 3*(3.33333) ; multiply both sides by 10.

                                                                                Subtract the first term from the first and solve for x.

                                                                                (10x-x) = 3*(3.33333)-3*(.33333)
                                                                                9x = 3(3.33333-.33333)
                                                                                9x = 3 (3)
                                                                                9x = 9
                                                                                x = 1
                                                                                Actually, Colin...

                                                                                o y = r cubed over 3. And if you determine the rate of change in this curve correctly, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Derivative dy = 3 r squared dr over 3, or r squared dr, or......

                                                                                Colin? Figure this one out genius.


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                                                                                • Linguist
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  he's not talking about completely about getting rid of them, only for high school. It's impossible to do math without fractions, as simple as that. He just proposes to introduce those along with integrals and such.

                                                                                  but us school system is fucked up as is, this might make things even worse
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                                                                                  • Linguist
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    And those who argue about repeating numbers, they will never be as accurate as fractions. Computers approximate but real math is about precision. Infinite 0.333... is not as precise as 1/3rd. It approaches the number but never hits it.
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                                                                                    • Linguist
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by ADL Colin
                                                                                      You can use simple algebra and be accurate. Just assume all the .33333's are repeating.

                                                                                      Let x = .33333+.33333+.33333 = 3(.33333...)
                                                                                      10x = 3*(3.33333) ; multiply both sides by 10.

                                                                                      Subtract the first term from the first and solve for x.

                                                                                      (10x-x) = 3*(3.33333)-3*(.33333)
                                                                                      9x = 3(3.33333-.33333)
                                                                                      9x = 3 (3)
                                                                                      9x = 9
                                                                                      x = 1
                                                                                      You can use those subtraction tricks in the same way as you'd use a Turing machine to write computer programs... the question is - why? Fractions are much easier to work with than decimals
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                                                                                        • ADL Colin
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by RedShoe
                                                                                          Actually, Colin...

                                                                                          o y = r cubed over 3. And if you determine the rate of change in this curve correctly, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Derivative dy = 3 r squared dr over 3, or r squared dr, or......

                                                                                          Colin? Figure this one out genius.

                                                                                          That's a simple calculus problem. The derivative of (r^3)/3 is just r^2.

                                                                                          I didn't have much difficulty in math until I studied noneuclidean geometry. Got a C but was going through divorce at time so difficult to tell if it was me or the situation.


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                                                                                          • ADL Colin
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Linguist
                                                                                            You can use those subtraction tricks in the same way as you'd use a Turing machine to write computer programs... the question is - why? Fractions are much easier to work with than decimals
                                                                                            Of course anyone would use a fraction in that PARTICULAR situation

                                                                                            But you have problems where you will get output in decimal form that cannot be represented as fractions. For example, my senior project used a symplectic integration scheme to predict the positions of the plants over hundreds of millions of years. You couldn't represent those positions in fractions.


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                                                                                            • mynameisyep
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                                                                                              I hate math..
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                                                                                              • Linguist
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by ADL Colin
                                                                                                Of course anyone would use a fraction in that PARTICULAR situation

                                                                                                But you have problems where you will get output in decimal form that cannot be represented as fractions. For example, my senior project used a symplectic integration scheme to predict the positions of the plants over hundreds of millions of years. You couldn't represent those positions in fractions.
                                                                                                You'd probably write a program to do that, so who cares ;)

                                                                                                I did a whole bunch of stuff in matlab that spewed tables of decimals, there's time and place for everything
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                                                                                                • RedShoe
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by ADL Colin
                                                                                                  That's a simple calculus problem. The derivative of (r^3)/3 is just r^2.

                                                                                                  I didn't have much difficulty in math until I studied noneuclidean geometry. Got a C but was going through divorce at time so difficult to tell if it was me or the situation.
                                                                                                  Wrong Colin. The answer is RDRR.. or r d rr.. or Har Dee Har Har.

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                                                                                                  C'mon man... don't you watch the Simpsons?

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                                                                                                  • Linguist
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    "Penn State mathematician Andrews says he believes DeTurck's ideas will "unfortunately" gain traction because of the misguided belief that math education can somehow be made easy:

                                                                                                    "Math is hard. The idea that somehow we're going to make math just fun is just a dream.""

                                                                                                    My fucking god. This Andrews idiot should get his ass fired and never be allowed to teach again. Stick to the lab if you can't teach. Professors like this piss me right the fuck off. Math is only hard if you make it so.
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