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Linguist 01-31-2008 05:14 AM

he's not talking about completely about getting rid of them, only for high school. It's impossible to do math without fractions, as simple as that. He just proposes to introduce those along with integrals and such.

but us school system is fucked up as is, this might make things even worse

Linguist 01-31-2008 05:16 AM

And those who argue about repeating numbers, they will never be as accurate as fractions. Computers approximate but real math is about precision. Infinite 0.333... is not as precise as 1/3rd. It approaches the number but never hits it.

Linguist 01-31-2008 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13721530)
You can use simple algebra and be accurate. Just assume all the .33333's are repeating.

Let x = .33333+.33333+.33333 = 3(.33333...)
10x = 3*(3.33333) ; multiply both sides by 10.

Subtract the first term from the first and solve for x.

(10x-x) = 3*(3.33333)-3*(.33333)
9x = 3(3.33333-.33333)
9x = 3 (3)
9x = 9
x = 1

You can use those subtraction tricks in the same way as you'd use a Turing machine to write computer programs... the question is - why? Fractions are much easier to work with than decimals

darksoul 01-31-2008 05:23 AM

those lazy americans, no wonder the schools are a joke

ADL Colin 01-31-2008 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedShoe (Post 13721574)
Actually, Colin...

o y = r cubed over 3. And if you determine the rate of change in this curve correctly, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Derivative dy = 3 r squared dr over 3, or r squared dr, or......

Colin? Figure this one out genius.

:winkwink:

That's a simple calculus problem. The derivative of (r^3)/3 is just r^2.

I didn't have much difficulty in math until I studied noneuclidean geometry. Got a C but was going through divorce at time so difficult to tell if it was me or the situation.

ADL Colin 01-31-2008 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linguist (Post 13721599)
You can use those subtraction tricks in the same way as you'd use a Turing machine to write computer programs... the question is - why? Fractions are much easier to work with than decimals

Of course anyone would use a fraction in that PARTICULAR situation

But you have problems where you will get output in decimal form that cannot be represented as fractions. For example, my senior project used a symplectic integration scheme to predict the positions of the plants over hundreds of millions of years. You couldn't represent those positions in fractions.

mynameisyep 01-31-2008 05:29 AM

I hate math..

Linguist 01-31-2008 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13721616)
Of course anyone would use a fraction in that PARTICULAR situation

But you have problems where you will get output in decimal form that cannot be represented as fractions. For example, my senior project used a symplectic integration scheme to predict the positions of the plants over hundreds of millions of years. You couldn't represent those positions in fractions.

You'd probably write a program to do that, so who cares ;)

I did a whole bunch of stuff in matlab that spewed tables of decimals, there's time and place for everything

RedShoe 01-31-2008 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13721612)
That's a simple calculus problem. The derivative of (r^3)/3 is just r^2.

I didn't have much difficulty in math until I studied noneuclidean geometry. Got a C but was going through divorce at time so difficult to tell if it was me or the situation.

Wrong Colin. The answer is RDRR.. or r d rr.. or Har Dee Har Har.

"I think you'll be pleasantly surprised."

C'mon man... don't you watch the Simpsons?

Linguist 01-31-2008 05:33 AM

"Penn State mathematician Andrews says he believes DeTurck's ideas will "unfortunately" gain traction because of the misguided belief that math education can somehow be made easy:

"Math is hard. The idea that somehow we're going to make math just fun is just a dream.""

My fucking god. This Andrews idiot should get his ass fired and never be allowed to teach again. Stick to the lab if you can't teach. Professors like this piss me right the fuck off. Math is only hard if you make it so.

who 01-31-2008 05:35 AM

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ADL Colin 01-31-2008 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedShoe (Post 13721630)
Wrong Colin. The answer is RDRR.. or r d rr.. or Har Dee Har Har.

"I think you'll be pleasantly surprised."

C'mon man... don't you watch the Simpsons?

I knew that "I think you'll be pleasantly surprised" sounded familiar.

ADL Colin 01-31-2008 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linguist (Post 13721627)
there's time and place for everything

true that

ADL Colin 01-31-2008 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linguist (Post 13721627)
You'd probably write a program to do that, so who cares ;)

In FORTRAN no less. I have the world's most irrelevant programming skills. I learned FORTRAN and perl.

Linguist 01-31-2008 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13721674)
In FORTRAN no less. I have the world's most irrelevant programming skills. I learned FORTRAN and perl.

Hey don't feel left out, there's a certain someone on the board who swears by Perl, even for multithreaded system programming of all things! His ninja-mastery of the language almost made me learn Perl on several occasions... but I refuse to give in. :1orglaugh

RedShoe 01-31-2008 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13721650)
I knew that "I think you'll be pleasantly surprised" sounded familiar.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

As Chris Rock would say...
"I know math to, 1, 2, 4, 5, I'm coutin' these rocks BIATCH!!"

ADL Colin 01-31-2008 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico (Post 13720605)
I think he's 1/2 right.

This is the best post in this thread. :1orglaugh

sltr 01-31-2008 07:36 AM

Pi is represented in decimals.

not a rocket scientist here but haven't we built space shuttles and shit with formulas using Pi?


just an observation.

Linguist 01-31-2008 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sltr (Post 13721906)
Pi is represented in decimals.

not a rocket scientist here but haven't we built space shuttles and shit with formulas using Pi?


just an observation.

the decimal is only an approximation of the real Pi, which is a fraction

sltr 01-31-2008 08:08 AM

i was taught Pi is a ratio. but i learnt in a puclic skool in amerika

Linguist 01-31-2008 08:10 AM

ratio is a fraction... :/

sltr 01-31-2008 08:17 AM

ok, so what's Pi in a fraction then?

ADL Colin 01-31-2008 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sltr (Post 13722017)
ok, so what's Pi in a fraction then?

pi can't be written as a fraction. It is IRRATIONAL.

sltr 01-31-2008 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13722040)
pi can't be written as a fraction. It is IRRATIONAL.

thank you for seconding my point.:)

Linguist 01-31-2008 08:30 AM

I need sleep ;)

RedShoe 01-31-2008 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sltr (Post 13721906)
Pi is represented in decimals.

not a rocket scientist here but haven't we built space shuttles and shit with formulas using Pi?


just an observation.

And what was in the coffee that the scientists drank?
point five and point five???? NO!!!!
http://www.pickyourown.org/icecream/halfandhalf.jpg

Here's a question.. why is something containing two components referred to as 1/2 and 1/2? Ever go to Panda Express? They offer chow mien or rice. So if you go up and say I'll have "half and half" they'll give you half chow mien and half rice... but if you walk up and just say "half", they'll look at you confused. They'll put in half chow mien and ask, and I quote, "and the other half?" ... ???? "RICE YOU FUCKING MORON!!!!!" I don't want half chow mien, and half chow mien.


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