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Whats the problem, sounds like they got what they wanted?

Why do white people scream "racism" when black people WANTED THIS???

White guilt is why.

They want it, they got it. Dont send your kid there if you dont want to.

Get your facts straight. "black people" wanted this? No buddy.. a few self-interested activists wanted this.. they do not represent "black people" in Toronto.

It's difficult to troll threads, I know, sometimes you succeed sometimes you don't.

I am not trolling, I opened up a thread where people are saying white people wanted segregated schools and crying "racism."

I read the article and it says black people actually fought for it, and has a picture with blacks "celebrating." And has quotes from "black activists" fighting for this.

just because i say give it to em? I am wrong? LOL

Oh and this is hardly a case of "white guilt" as defined in the graciously provided wikipedia link:

"a form of self-congratulation, where whites initiate 'compassionate policies' toward people of color, to showcase their innocence to racism"

This entire initiative was brought about by a few people in the black community, and not a group of white people trying to push through a compassionate policy.

FAIL

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wow, you are in a good mood, im not nearly taking this thread as serious as you are, be carful you may have a heart attack.

hence my saying "and black people fought for this..."

and then you claimed I was wrong.

BLACK PEOPLE FOUGHT FOR THIS, so whats the problem????

Im just stating the difference of how we handle it in the U.S. Our goverment creates more racism with its rules put upon the people when it comes to schooling. Rational people would never make up shit like the bussing situation in this country.

I think schools should have "options"... Obviously one size fits all isn't working.

QUICK SOLUTION, black parents just raise their kids better to not drop out

racism will NEVER go away, the sooner people accept that, the sooner they can get on with their own lives.

Living in butt-fuck-Caledon must be skewing your view of the rest of Canada and fucking with your head. Let me spell it out for you: In schools in Ontario, history is centred around European history -- the British and French people who came over on the boats and landed on the rocks and colonized this great big land we call C-A-N-A-D-A.

There are, however, minority groups who call Canada home too (SURPRISE!!!). They also have a history that is a little bitty bit different than the Europeans, but the silly schools (like the one your daughter goes to in a different school board, idiot) don't think that's important because, hey there are only two 'token' black kids, so who cares about them, right? They'll probably just drop out anyway....

Wait a minute... maybe kids dropping out of school is a BAD thing.... and, and, maybe, just maybe, it would be helpful and empowering for the black kids to learn about their own ancestors and the "black (African-Canadian, et. al.) experience" which does NOT consist of 'gangstas' and 'bone-thugs' and 'bitches' and 'hoes' etc etc.

So, now, where were we? Oh, right! We're trying to empower and educate black youths about African-Canadian History and encourage them to complete their schooling! The TDSB has many Alternative schools which centre on smaller, focused groups within the mainstream student population (which is a pretty big one). An Africentric Alternative school would simply be keeping with the TDSB policies.

To answer your silly question about adjusting the curriculum: It will take a lot more time and a lot more TAXPAYER MONEY to rehaul the curriculum across the board! It is simpler and more efficient to set up one or two spaces and give parents and students the option to attend the alternative model or the mainstream model, than it is to change the entire curriculum. That's one of the reasons why the TDSB has a policy on alternative schools. Now, that's not to say that the curriculum will never change, but it's easier to test and develop new curriculum on a small scale.

Why don't you try reading something OTHER than GFY and get yourself a little clue there, boy?

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I'm sorry, I see that you have a reading comprehension disability, so I will try to explain this differently.

THE SCHOOL IS NOT ALL-BLACK, NOR IS IT SEGREGATED.

IT IS FOR ANY KID OF ANY COLOUR OR RACE TO ATTEND.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ALTERNATIVE SCHOOL AND THE MAINSTREAM SCHOOL IS SOME OF THE CURRICULUM, BUT IT STILL MEETS THE EDUCATIONAL STANDARDS OF THE REST OF THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.

MAYBE YOU WON'T SEND YOUR WHITE KID TO AN AFRICENTRIC SCHOOL, BUT MY WHITE PARTNER AND MY WHITE SELF WILL SEND OUR WHITE KIDS TO THIS SCHOOL BECAUSE WE WANT OUR KIDS TO UNDERSTAND CANADA'S HISTORY AND CULTURE FROM MANY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES - NOT JUST AMERICA'S.

KIDS DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL MAY BE A CIRCUMSTANCE OF MANY SOCIO-ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL ISSUES, WHICH COULD POSSIBLY INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO PROBLEMS WITH PARENTS/FAMILY, POVERTY, SOCIAL PROGRAMS AND SUPPORT OR LACK THEREOF, MEDIA/CULTURE, RACISM/PREJUDICE, ETC.

OF COURSE CANADA IS NOT ABOUT RACISM, YOU FUCKBOT!

WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE ISSUES BEFORE YOU PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS TO MAKE SOME NOISE?

From the TDSB website:
"An Africentric Alternative school infuses the sources of knowledge and experience of people of African descent as an integral feature of the teaching and learning environment."

You make a good point. Why should Canadians conform only to one (white, male-centred, middle/upper class, etc) standard? So long as children and youths are being taught the basics to meet international standards of education (ie: reading, writing, arithmetic, etc), there is no problem with creating focused education for groups within the community.

They've already done it with and Arts-focused school, an LGBT-focused school, adult alternative schools, etc. The point is that children receive an education so that they can become contributing members of society as a whole.

whatever....man up and send us pictures of your kids at this school then

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I hope you learned your lesson, young man. Are you politically correct now or do we need to send the Thought Police to your house?

what a crock of shit - there is no African-Canadian experience - Canadian blacks are all Carribean immigrants, what's to learn for them, their experience is no different than the Italian immigrants, Indian immigrants, Serb immigrants etc etc - it's nothing even remotely similar to African American, their parents left poverty on the islands to find a better life in Canada. The parents let their dumbass kids live in this fantasy world of MTV/Muchmusic rap culture where they actually believe they share something more than skin color with American blacks.

there are a fair number of African American descendants in Canada, runaway slaves who travelled the Underground Railroad to freedom in the northern states and Canada. those people are completely integrated and fully functioning contributors to society and have been for 100 years.

From what I remember in Toronto the whites are a minority, 80% of Toronto is Indian/Asian/Arab.

Shut the fuck up you racist cunt!

You are a vile racist piece of shit.

So they are going to teach about the African explorers who came over and settled the country? oh wait, that never happened.

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WTF is afrocentric curriculum?? You can just make up canadian historical fact.

How you can support this is beyond me, it's LAUGHABLE that any sensible human being could think that this school would in any way improve drop-out rates or reduce crime. Why don't they just add courses to the existing schools if it will make a difference? Compare the drop-out rate of black children at schools who offer the courses vs. schools that don't. Scientifically prove that it makes a difference and then make your case.

There are alot of schools in the GTA where the majority of students are black/minorities anyway - why open a special school?? the ONLY thing it could possibly do is create segregation. No white kids would go to the school, no asian kids would go to the school. Saying that it's "open to students of any race" is such a fucking joke

Call this school what it is: It is a place where a small group of anti-white activists can send their children to get them away from the big bad white man - since they think it's the public schools' fault their kids are drop-outs.

Gimme a fucking break - In this city there are people of all religions / cultures / etc /etc facing the same challenges as everyone else. How this became a 'black' issue is beyind me. We are not inner-city Chicago, we are NOT an American city. Being black in Toronto doesn't mean shit, EVERYONE in Toronto is a minority in some way and no one deserves special treatment.

And the schools boards go CRYING to the goverment for more money every year.. yet all they do is WASTE my tax dollars on stupid shit like this. The province won't provide extra funding - so that means $800,000 of TAXPAYER MONEY would pay for this school - FYI the TDSB is facing a 41 million dollar budget deficit. How does a school board who had a 41 million dollar funding gap even consider spending almost a million extra dollars on this bullshit?? Explain THAT. Worry about managing taxpayer money first, then open your little special interest, racist schools.

What the FUCK are you talking about dipshit? You clearly have no idea what the issue being discussed is all about... so go crawl back into your hole.

The caucasian population is the single largest ethnic group, but we make up a minority of the population.. it's about 40 - 45% white, and 55-60% non-white. We are home to several of the largest non-native popluations in the world (ie we have the largest chinese population outside of china...)

Some things could work in Canada that may not work in other countries

Pretty stupid indeed

So the blacks want their own school. To lower drop out rates, and teach about the black experience, like naming your kids fucking made up words, like Shanaynay and Shanequa.

Getting a school that teaches the africintric cirriculum or whatever the fuck it is, won't make a bit of difference in the drop out rate. that's on the parents. But hey, lets blame someone else, it's the African way. Blame whitey, after all, if he hadn't made your ancestors slaves, your stupid ass wouldn't even be here. You'd be poking dead rhinos with a stick or some such shit.

And as far as white guilt. Fuck you, I didn't do shit, I have nothing to feel guilty about. It's not my fault you can't wise up, stay in school, and won't stop shooting your cousins.

My comment about white guilt (because its obvious it went over everyones head) was to point out the fact that when whites are confronted with black ideas like this, they feel that any chance of them being perceived as racist influences their behavior and makes them actually stand up AGAINST things like this in defense of "interracial" schools and education.

White guilt is very much responsible for when whites stand up in opposition to things like this.

Did a white man come up with this idea? No, but whites are in this thread and in the streets claiming "im not racist, i would never support segregated schools."

and that is very much white guilt, it doesnt have to be a compassion policy.

You guys should read Shelby Steels book:White Guilt" maybe THEn youll know where I am coming from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_Steele

I am of the mindframe that public schools isnt where Id send my kids, and if you dont want to send your kid to the afro school, send them somewhere else. Public schools are not good anyway.

People have to get over teaching "black" or "white" history or whatever other name it's given. I don't have to be Chinese to learn about the Chinese experience here or abroad or Chinese history. I couldn't tell you what it is like to live as a Chinese person in present everyday life, but this is not something that schools are there for; that is taught or discussed in the home because of the subtle, delicate, interpersonal nature of that shared experience which can't readily be put into a book and understood. School is to provide education. Math and science is color-blind (understanding 1 + 1 = 2 is an abstract concept that can be learned universally without any inherit bias existing in it). History and other subjects can be biased but the solution is not to create separate schools. The solution is to encourage discourse and academic rigor to get to the truth.

white guilt? in Canada? for fucking what - these aren't the descendants of African blacks who were captured and shipped off to America to be auctioned off as slaves. guilt? for opening the doors to them the same way the doors are opened to every other race, color, creed on the planet? they are IMMIGRANTS - like every other immigrant who came and will come to Canada.

not a nickel of public money should be spent on an Afro Canadian school - they can do what every other immigrant group has done if they want their kids to learn about their own culture and history and associate with those of their own kind - make their own private schools like the Roman Catholics and Jews do and support it with their own hard earned money.

I'm White and pro-Afrocentric school system. Current system doesn't work for them so alternatives are needed. I praise their initiative, finally African Americans/Canadians are taking their destiny into their own hands.

"Help yourself and God will help you."

Eventually they can serve as role model for Africans.

The growing African American elite (economic/cultural) is good news for a racial group lacking a real identity.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/st...215850,00.html

I am not here to educate people, read the book.

White guilt is present in whites as a way to distance themselves from being considered a racist. You HAVE to understand what white guilt is before you claim Canada doesn't have it.

Anyway, im not here to argue about canada's PUBLIC SCHOOLS, I dont care. I dont like having to pay for public schools, do not support them in theory, and only posted in here because I saw whites jumping up and down AGAINST something that blacks came up with. Then a few began claiming that my white guilt comment was wrong, whicvh it wasn't, in fact - its dead on.

I am done here, just wanted to clear up my comment about white guilt, I really dont have time to argue about people in canada who cant afford to send their kids to a better school.

I supoort homeschooling more than a public education, afro or euro related.

There are segregationists in all groups. But if you ask the majority of Canadian Blacks, I would wager that they think this separate school idea is idiotic. As others have said, this is a product of special interest groups pushing their inane agenda upon everybody else.

There may be problems with public education, but mandatory public education is a necessity for those who can't afford to attend private schools. I went to public school, how about you?

I went to Catholic school, I shouldve mentioned that. (really, im done here i have work to do)

If you do that your kid is going to drop out because according to you if someone doesn't become empowered by learning about the history of their own people, they will become uninterested in school and drop out.

To me this school says that black kids are too stupid to make it in the mainstream schools with everyone else. Much like affirmative action, its another thing that says color makes a difference.

I'd like to take a course on genital mutilation.

Yo Canadian Niggaz!!! Yall have to be some of the dumbest muthafuckaz around! Hello!! You're moving backwards! Segregation ended in the '70s and yall dumb azzes bring it back in the 21st century? Sheesh! Yall must've been the dumb niggaz that worked in the field unlike my family who were probably house niggaz!!

The funny thing is that NO ONE (outside of the small group of radicals who came up with the idea and the 11 spineless board trustees who voted for it) supports this. The government is against it, the public is against.

For some bizarre reason, the media is trying to spin it like it's a popular idea (mostly because Toronto newspapers are sickeningly left-wing/politically correct RAGS.. ie the toronto star) - yet no average citizen.. white, black, middle eastern, indian, chinese, etc, etc supports the idea.

Remember.. this is Toronto.. we are the same city that banned a Christmas tree from a courthouse because someone thought it was "offensive". Pathetic.

You truly are a retarded troll. So because it will cost MORE to add it to all schools and will take longer that means its not worthwhile for every other student to learn about something? How does cost lessen the value of it? Do you really think 'testing' historical curriculum in this format is reasonable? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Its demeaning to them as a community and culture to not include their Canadian history in the curriculum.

You think opening one school in one community is anything more than servicing a special interest group? Please tell me you're joking.

if they want these type of schools they should open their own private institutions and teach whatever they want.
otherwise i agree wit the other poster that if something is missing from the curriculum it would be better to just add it to all schools.

you beat me!

amen..

on another note...I belive they haven't even come up with a curriculum for this school...how do they plan on changing/implementig it?

will there be Jamaican history, Trinidadian history, etc?? I think that's for the parents to help teach at home. But seriously if they wanted to, the school board could introduce an "African-canadian" history class. I had the choice to take "American HIstory", "European History" when I was in high school just like I could choose French or Spanish or German..Why not add that as an option? I'd like to see how many kids opt to take that course.

Also, who's going to teach at these schools?? BLACK teachers?? gimme a break. There are already a shortage of teachers let alone trying to find enough BLACK teachers who would WANT to teach at these schools.