The Clash vs The Ramones vs The Sex Pistols - GoFuckYourself.com

Fap · 04-26-2007, 11:08 AM

Who started punk rock?
Who was your favorite?

I LOVE the sex pistols but i have to hand it to the clash, they were great and the originals. The Ramones werent bad either

SxDx · 04-26-2007, 11:12 AM

all 3 were original and great in their own right. hard to say who founded punk...one could even make an argument that punk was started by the New York Dolls, MC5 and/or Iggy and the Stooges.

Just depends on how strong of an argument you want to make for each

2012 · 04-26-2007, 11:19 AM

Fap · 04-26-2007, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SxDx

all 3 were original and great in their own right. hard to say who founded punk...one could even make an argument that punk was started by the New York Dolls, MC5 and/or Iggy and the Stooges.

Just depends on how strong of an argument you want to make for each

I was going to mention the NY Dolls but i figured not enough people knew them...

fuzebox · 04-26-2007, 12:14 PM

In that Ramones documentary Joe Strummer said that The Clash wouldn't have been given a chance by the UK market if it hadn't been for the rising popularity of The Ramones in New York...

Shrug.

fuzebox · 04-26-2007, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SxDx

all 3 were original and great in their own right. hard to say who founded punk...one could even make an argument that punk was started by the New York Dolls, MC5 and/or Iggy and the Stooges.

Just depends on how strong of an argument you want to make for each

Well said

All these bands were breaking new ground at the same time, it would be really unfair to give one more credit than the other...

Michaelious · 04-26-2007, 12:17 PM

Certainly has to be the ramones

cherrylula · 04-26-2007, 12:20 PM

you left out the real

the stooges.

Fap · 04-26-2007, 12:27 PM

All i know i think we can all agree the Sex Pistols were the most punk rock (as in bad ass). I mean come on sid vicious didnt even know how to play bass guitar!

Joe BrainCash · 04-26-2007, 12:52 PM

Tough question. The Sex Pistols definately became the 'Poster Boys' of punk(especially sick Sid Viscious). The Ramones we're there at the beginning and never changed their formula (nor their clothes and haircuts).
But The Clash were much more gifted and varied musically.

The Hansons?The 3 brothers? mmmbop? Please..you know they win...

fuzebox · 04-26-2007, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banthis

All i know i think we can all agree the Sex Pistols were the most punk rock (as in bad ass). I mean come on sid vicious didnt even know how to play bass guitar!

And wasn't Johnny Rotten recruited because he was wearing an "I hate Pink Floyd" shirt?

I am chauncy · 04-26-2007, 01:53 PM

there are two great bands in this question and The Clash and The Ramones if I had to chose I chose The Clash they were a more important band to the social structure of the time their music had a message and a meaning. The Ramones their music was more fun didn't really have much substance.

The Sex Pistols however were crap they were the original boy bad a bullshit manufactured product who soul purpose was to make money buy exploiting a current trend at the time they are the backstreet boys of punk and deserve no credit or accolades

Vegas Ken · 04-26-2007, 01:59 PM

The Clash!!!!!!!!!!!

Fap · 04-26-2007, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

And wasn't Johnny Rotten recruited because he was wearing an "I hate Pink Floyd" shirt?

That is punk rock

smack · 04-26-2007, 02:05 PM

the clash, but for me the ramones are a very close second.

Angelo22 · 04-26-2007, 02:06 PM

The clash gets my vote
hard decision, they are all amazing
but Clash gets it

Azlord · 04-26-2007, 02:22 PM

I just got these the other day and was really stoked. Not the originators of punk or anything, but some good records.

2012 · 04-26-2007, 11:24 PM

LET'S GO !

...

Fap · 04-27-2007, 12:31 AM

Glad to see twistyneck voted hanson haha.

Anywho, looks like the clash has taken the lead

thesuspectdevice · 04-27-2007, 12:59 AM

hey banthis,

watch this documentary... http://www.punkattitude.co.uk/

it will help you to know more about Punk Music, origin and the people around the scene.

Cheers mate!

CDSmith · 04-27-2007, 01:03 AM

I'll have to go with the Clash. I had no use at all for the sex pistols music. All Sid Vicious had was the name, he couldn't sing fir shit, couldn't play for shit either. He was a personality only, and to me that sort of crap only smacks of overrated hype. Sorry to you pistols fans, :D

The Ramones definitely had their moments, some decent tunes, but the Clash soar far above the others in my opinion.

Jakke PNG · 04-27-2007, 01:06 AM

Hanson kicks some serious butt.

Fap · 04-27-2007, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesuspectdevice

hey banthis,

watch this documentary... http://www.punkattitude.co.uk/

it will help you to know more about Punk Music, origin and the people around the scene.

Cheers mate!

I've seen a few dvds, i love em all really.
I was watching one i forget who it was but the band put cyanide in pieces of bread and threw them around so the birds would eat it.. funny stuff

Fap · 04-27-2007, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith

All Sid Vicious had was the name, he couldn't sing fir shit.

All i have to say to that is:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SSoQnEv9rhU

Fap · 04-27-2007, 01:15 AM

Oh and before i forget my though, The Sex Pistols were the most punk rock in the sense or grungy and well blatantly "bad ass" getting booted from the UK. Not giving a shit, make $0 off their album. Getting cans thrown at them and just starting a fight not caring (sid). Too bad Nancy came into the picturee

BusterBunny · 04-27-2007, 01:22 AM

elvis presley the og whiteboy rebel

zibril · 04-27-2007, 02:25 AM

sex pistols rocks !!!

ynuahayt · 04-27-2007, 02:45 AM

2012 · 04-27-2007, 03:03 AM

momma sang tenor

...

pinkz · 04-27-2007, 03:39 AM

I fought the law and the law won I fought the law and the law won!

i needed money but i had none i guess my race is run she's the best girl that i ever had

I fought the law and the law won I fought the law and the law won!

cant beat the clash for that raw dubbed up sound but the pistols imho started the scene rolling here in the uk

ViVe la anarchy!

Sarah_Jayne · 04-27-2007, 05:04 AM

Started punk..well that disqualifies the Clash but also you have to talk about which scene.

Anyway, they are three totally different groups. The Pistols took punk to the British masses and popularized an attitude and produced ONE very important album in the history of music. However, it would be hard to insane they are the 'best' of any type of group.

The Ramones were great fun and but if you are asking which is the best overall band of those three then it is The Clash because they produced the best overall songs to my ears and kept the British punk notion of politics being a part of punk and Joe kept that up until his death.

However, I still think the Buzzcocks in their prime were better than all three.

Sarah_Jayne · 04-27-2007, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SxDx

all 3 were original and great in their own right. hard to say who founded punk...one could even make an argument that punk was started by the New York Dolls, MC5 and/or Iggy and the Stooges.

Just depends on how strong of an argument you want to make for each

Thank you ...the New York Dolls don't get the place they deserve in musical history. Not only can they be attributed with an influence on the start of punk they also did plenty to bring glam rock around in the UK.

wyldworx · 04-27-2007, 05:15 AM

the sex pistols as great as they were, rocked a moment.
the clash shaped an era.
the ramones can be annoying.

LAJ · 04-27-2007, 06:39 AM

Ummm... there is no contest here. The Ramones shit all over the Clash and the Sex Pistols. A couple of good songs or one good album does not a great punk band make.

It's arguable that Iggy and the Stooges started punk rock in the late 60s anyway.

LAJ · 04-27-2007, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

However, I still think the Buzzcocks in their prime were better than all three.

From a talent aspect, I would have to agree. I saw them nearly 20 years ago and still have Steve Diggle's guitar pick from that show

wyldworx · 04-27-2007, 06:44 AM

Iggy is punk.

Sarah_Jayne · 04-27-2007, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

From a talent aspect, I would have to agree. I saw them nearly 20 years ago and still have Steve Diggle's guitar pick from that show

I tend to say that the Buzzcocks are what happened when punk started to think it was okay to know how to play an instrument and thought harmony wasn't the devil. Even if they are Northern punk rather than London punk they still push all the right buttons for me...even if I did mutter that punk was offically dead when one of their songs was used in Shrek 2.

I have to admit that I smile to myself every time I walk past the 100 Club on Oxford Street in London. I used to catch my bus home from work home right outside of the club and even though now it is usually Salsa lessons on offer it was nice to know that the club where London punk was born is still open.

CDSmith · 04-27-2007, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banthis

All i have to say to that is:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SSoQnEv9rhU

Like I said, he couldn't sing for shit.

First time I heard that back in the day I kept wishing someone would put a bullet in his head and make it stop.

Nothing has changed. :D

not-a-troll · 04-27-2007, 09:46 AM

sex pistols.

SuzzyQ · 04-27-2007, 01:01 PM

What about the B-52s and Devo

CurrentlySober · 04-27-2007, 01:45 PM

It has to be the Sex Pistols...
But I am biasied... Why ? Cause
1) Im from England and
2) I have actually met Sid!

When i was a child I used to stay with my grandparents in the summer, who lived in London.

They had a small flat above a shop in the kings road... This happened to be just a few doors away from SEX (Malcoms Shop)

In the summer of 76 or 77 (I forget exactly) I used to go out to play outside and watch the punks with their 'silly hair' as they walked up and down the street, going in and out of SEX... Allthough i never remember seeing 'the sex pistols' (all four together with glen matlock in place of sid) I do remember Sid himself coming in and out the shop, and rolling about on the pavement once, wearing a rubber tee shirt which was way too tight...

Obviously, I didnt know him as Sid... But because i saw him a lot, and because he saw me a lot, eventually, he used to say, 'alright mate' or 'alright my son' and give me a big thumbs up, and nearly stik his hand in my face when he did it... ! I was about 7 or 8 at the time, but i remember it like yesterday

Fast forward to early 2001, and I got to meet Steve Jones, while I was in LA... (Long story, but he was cool)

Finally, i was also told by a music exec guy that rotton / lydon had a bar in the marina dell ray, and he was going to take me down there, and intoduce me to him... But it never happened

But anyway... Waffle over.. i vote for the sex pistols... thankyou, and goodnght

Sarah_Jayne · 04-27-2007, 02:45 PM

I actually think the legacy of the Pistols suffers from the Sid association. He had little to do with any of their music..he was a late comer to the band..he wasn't even plugged in because he couldn't play at all. Not even 'sex pistols' bad which in reality wasn't that bad because they could really play they were just filling a role.

John Lydon has continually been a head of his time musically. PIL was doing the kind of dance music that the Prodigy later made their name by way before them (Rammstien even give them a little 'This is not a love song' homage during one of their songs).

Sid was that bad side of punk where it was just drugs and 'fuck you'. The 'fuck you' I like in punk is the 'fuck you' that is backed up with a real attitude and usually with a political/social message somewhere behind the attitude. The best British punk had that ..Clash, Buzzcocks, The Dammed, etc all had either a political 'fuck you' behind their songs or a 'fuck you I am going to a fuck who I want no matter what your god might think' behind them. Sid added nothing but something for people AFTER the height of punk to cling to and claim was THE punk.

Btw..I knew I was going to marry my husband when I found out he was on the boat on the Thames with the pistols when they got arrested for playing for the Jubilee.

The UK is SO different now since those arrests were possible and a lot of that had to do with the attitudes of not following class system for the heck of it. That record simply could not be banned now ..it just would not happen. To me that is the legacy of British punk and it has nothing to do with Sid.

Sarah_Jayne · 04-27-2007, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

What about the B-52s and Devo

You might be joking but I actually love early B-52s stuff ..My Private Idaho is my personal favorite. A rather different punk scene than any of the three mentioned in the thread title.

CaptainHowdy · 04-27-2007, 02:48 PM

If there wasn't a RAMONES it wouldn't be a SEX PISTOLS or THE CLASH... Still I LOVE THE CLASH.

Sarah_Jayne · 04-27-2007, 02:57 PM

Ever seen the Ramones documentary that was out a couple years ago? I was interested by how much of their success they attributed to coming to the UK at the right time in their career.

Fap · 04-27-2007, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

If there wasn't a RAMONES it wouldn't be a SEX PISTOLS or THE CLASH

And without Bach there wouldnt be Elvis!

chodadog · 06-28-2007, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesuspectdevice

hey banthis,

watch this documentary... http://www.punkattitude.co.uk/

it will help you to know more about Punk Music, origin and the people around the scene.

Cheers mate!

With a username like that, you must be an SLF fan?

jonesy · 06-28-2007, 05:35 PM

fucking NEW YORK DOLLS AND IGGY started punk rock

followed by in order
the ramones
the pistols

BlackCrayon · 06-28-2007, 05:40 PM

Out of those three the ramones would be number one for me. As for who started punk, MC5.

buzzy · 06-28-2007, 05:42 PM

lol this is easy. anyone who picks anything other than the clash either hasnt heard the clash or is from the south of america

View Poll Results: Whose the best?
The Clash	21	33.87%
The Ramones	24	38.71%
The Sex Pistols	12	19.35%
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04-26-2007, 11:08 AM	#1
Fap Just Du It Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,094	The Clash vs The Ramones vs The Sex Pistols Who started punk rock? Who was your favorite? I LOVE the sex pistols but i have to hand it to the clash, they were great and the originals. The Ramones werent bad either Last edited by Fap; 04-26-2007 at 11:09 AM..

04-26-2007, 11:12 AM	#2
SxDx Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: SoFla Posts: 2,254	all 3 were original and great in their own right. hard to say who founded punk...one could even make an argument that punk was started by the New York Dolls, MC5 and/or Iggy and the Stooges. Just depends on how strong of an argument you want to make for each __________________ Hundies.com - $35/Trial Signup - All Exclusive!! scott (at) dnav.com (dot) com ICQ: 242-444-884

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fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,245	In that Ramones documentary Joe Strummer said that The Clash wouldn't have been given a chance by the UK market if it hadn't been for the rising popularity of The Ramones in New York... Shrug.

04-26-2007, 12:20 PM	#8
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	you left out the real the stooges.

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Fap Just Du It Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,094	All i know i think we can all agree the Sex Pistols were the most punk rock (as in bad ass). I mean come on sid vicious didnt even know how to play bass guitar!

04-26-2007, 12:52 PM	#10
Joe BrainCash Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boy, life is difficult... Posts: 2,092	Tough question. The Sex Pistols definately became the 'Poster Boys' of punk(especially sick Sid Viscious). The Ramones we're there at the beginning and never changed their formula (nor their clothes and haircuts). But The Clash were much more gifted and varied musically. The Hansons?The 3 brothers? mmmbop? Please..you know they win... __________________ [email protected] ICQ: 394.549.466

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I am chauncy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 568	there are two great bands in this question and The Clash and The Ramones if I had to chose I chose The Clash they were a more important band to the social structure of the time their music had a message and a meaning. The Ramones their music was more fun didn't really have much substance. The Sex Pistols however were crap they were the original boy bad a bullshit manufactured product who soul purpose was to make money buy exploiting a current trend at the time they are the backstreet boys of punk and deserve no credit or accolades __________________ "Catch a man a fish, and you can sell it to him. Teach a man to fish, and you ruin a wonderful business opportunity." Karl Marx Affiliate Program Cash Beta v0.9

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Azlord Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: City... City of Satan Posts: 2,651	I just got these the other day and was really stoked. Not the originators of punk or anything, but some good records.

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04-27-2007, 12:31 AM	#19
Fap Just Du It Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,094	Glad to see twistyneck voted hanson haha. Anywho, looks like the clash has taken the lead

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thesuspectdevice Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 182	hey banthis, watch this documentary... http://www.punkattitude.co.uk/ it will help you to know more about Punk Music, origin and the people around the scene. Cheers mate!

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Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	Started punk..well that disqualifies the Clash but also you have to talk about which scene. Anyway, they are three totally different groups. The Pistols took punk to the British masses and popularized an attitude and produced ONE very important album in the history of music. However, it would be hard to insane they are the 'best' of any type of group. The Ramones were great fun and but if you are asking which is the best overall band of those three then it is The Clash because they produced the best overall songs to my ears and kept the British punk notion of politics being a part of punk and Joe kept that up until his death. However, I still think the Buzzcocks in their prime were better than all three.

04-27-2007, 05:15 AM	#33
wyldworx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oz-trailer Posts: 5,144	the sex pistols as great as they were, rocked a moment. the clash shaped an era. the ramones can be annoying.

04-27-2007, 06:39 AM	#34
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	Ummm... there is no contest here. The Ramones shit all over the Clash and the Sex Pistols. A couple of good songs or one good album does not a great punk band make. It's arguable that Iggy and the Stooges started punk rock in the late 60s anyway. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

04-27-2007, 06:44 AM	#36
wyldworx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oz-trailer Posts: 5,144	Iggy is punk.

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not-a-troll Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: under-a-bridge Posts: 163	sex pistols.

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SuzzyQ Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Along the shore. Posts: 1,557	What about the B-52s and Devo

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CurrentlySober Too lazy to wipe my ass Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Public Bathroom Posts: 38,804	It has to be the Sex Pistols... But I am biasied... Why ? Cause 1) Im from England and 2) I have actually met Sid! When i was a child I used to stay with my grandparents in the summer, who lived in London. They had a small flat above a shop in the kings road... This happened to be just a few doors away from SEX (Malcoms Shop) In the summer of 76 or 77 (I forget exactly) I used to go out to play outside and watch the punks with their 'silly hair' as they walked up and down the street, going in and out of SEX... Allthough i never remember seeing 'the sex pistols' (all four together with glen matlock in place of sid) I do remember Sid himself coming in and out the shop, and rolling about on the pavement once, wearing a rubber tee shirt which was way too tight... Obviously, I didnt know him as Sid... But because i saw him a lot, and because he saw me a lot, eventually, he used to say, 'alright mate' or 'alright my son' and give me a big thumbs up, and nearly stik his hand in my face when he did it... ! I was about 7 or 8 at the time, but i remember it like yesterday Fast forward to early 2001, and I got to meet Steve Jones, while I was in LA... (Long story, but he was cool) Finally, i was also told by a music exec guy that rotton / lydon had a bar in the marina dell ray, and he was going to take me down there, and intoduce me to him... But it never happened But anyway... Waffle over.. i vote for the sex pistols... thankyou, and goodnght __________________ My Dream Gal... XXX 👁️ 👍️ 💩

04-27-2007, 02:45 PM	#42
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	I actually think the legacy of the Pistols suffers from the Sid association. He had little to do with any of their music..he was a late comer to the band..he wasn't even plugged in because he couldn't play at all. Not even 'sex pistols' bad which in reality wasn't that bad because they could really play they were just filling a role. John Lydon has continually been a head of his time musically. PIL was doing the kind of dance music that the Prodigy later made their name by way before them (Rammstien even give them a little 'This is not a love song' homage during one of their songs). Sid was that bad side of punk where it was just drugs and 'fuck you'. The 'fuck you' I like in punk is the 'fuck you' that is backed up with a real attitude and usually with a political/social message somewhere behind the attitude. The best British punk had that ..Clash, Buzzcocks, The Dammed, etc all had either a political 'fuck you' behind their songs or a 'fuck you I am going to a fuck who I want no matter what your god might think' behind them. Sid added nothing but something for people AFTER the height of punk to cling to and claim was THE punk. Btw..I knew I was going to marry my husband when I found out he was on the boat on the Thames with the pistols when they got arrested for playing for the Jubilee. The UK is SO different now since those arrests were possible and a lot of that had to do with the attitudes of not following class system for the heck of it. That record simply could not be banned now ..it just would not happen. To me that is the legacy of British punk and it has nothing to do with Sid.

04-27-2007, 02:48 PM	#44
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04-27-2007, 02:57 PM	#45
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	Ever seen the Ramones documentary that was out a couple years ago? I was interested by how much of their success they attributed to coming to the UK at the right time in their career.