Is it just me, or did Obama kick ass tonight?

[Snake Doctor]

They (edwards and clinton) both seemed to be piling on, but he gave better than he got IMO.

[baddog]

As an obvious Obama fan, yeah, I guess it could be you. Did not see yet, but I could see you being biased.

[DaddyHalbucks]

I thought Edwards won the debate tonight. He was more articulate and polished than either Clinton or Obama. The Clinton and Obama squabbling detracted from both.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I thought Edwards won the debate tonight. He was more articulate and polished than either Clinton or Obama. The Clinton and Obama squabbling detracted from both.

Good, that is what I expect/hope to see.

[Pipeline Q]

there was another debate? this must be a record. I don't remember all of this in previous years.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Pipeline Q

there was another debate? this must be a record. I don't remember all of this in previous years.

It is like the space shuttle. You used to get up early to watch them launch in the beginning. Now, barely a mention unless it blows up.

[Zango]

Obama... blah.

What a waste of time and energy. It is not time to have a black president yet. We will have several women before one black man.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I thought Edwards won the debate tonight. He was more articulate and polished than either Clinton or Obama. The Clinton and Obama squabbling detracted from both.

Well once you lose all of your support and are reduced to being Dennis Kucinich then yeah, you can spout out platitudes and look great without getting your hands dirty.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Zango

Obama... blah.

What a waste of time and energy. It is not time to have a black president yet. We will have several women before one black man.

you have it backwards

[Axeman]

Obama's strengths are his speeches. His weakness is his debates where he rambles, stumbles and back peddles. But give him a teleprompter and a speech and he is very good.

Tonight's debate was no different for him. Lots of words and jokes to mask the lack of facts and true plan and ideas.

Edwards did really well for the time he was given I thought.

[Holly]

It was just you, lol.

I actually wasn't impressed with him. I was expecting more.

I thought Edwards and Clinton both did well, although she and Obama spent a little too much time going at it. Edwards kind of lost me when he jumped on the bandwagon with Obama about blacks being targeted by lenders and being the victims in the whole subprime mortgage mess, as if it's not an across the board problem. I thought that was total bullshit.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by Holly

It was just you, lol.

Edwards kind of lost me when he jumped on the bandwagon with Obama about blacks being targeted by lenders and being the victims in the whole subprime mortgage mess, as if it's not an across the board problem. I thought that was total bullshit.

Agreed but thats the typical politics of pandering to the people who's state you are in that current debate or stump speech. Just like Romney promising each state different things he will deliver them. I wish the pandering to the locals in national politics would stop and stick to the national plan.

[Holly]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Agreed but thats the typical politics of pandering to the people who's state you are in that current debate or stump speech. Just like Romney promising each state different things he will deliver them. I wish the pandering to the locals in national politics would stop and stick to the national plan.

Yeah, I guess, but it still rubbed me the wrong way. And Clinton didn't go there. Edwards did go at Obama about his health plan, along with Hillary.

I don't think we'll see Edwards take really strong jabs at Clinton or Obama. He knows he's out and this is the second run for him, so he's done. He's looking for a j-o-b if either one make it to Washington.

[Phil]

Im still voting for Clinton. Obama is NOT going to win election no matter how slick he is. And I don't want to see another Rebublican in the White House.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Im still voting for Clinton. Obama is NOT going to win election no matter how slick he is. And I don't want to see another Rebublican in the White House.

The only candidate who can unite the republican party IS Hillary Clinton.

They will show up in droves to vote against her no matter who the republican nominee is.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Im still voting for Clinton. Obama is NOT going to win election no matter how slick he is. And I don't want to see another Rebublican in the White House.

Unless its an absolute landslide win for Obama on Super tuesday, then it will be Clinton getting the nomination because of the super delegates being awarded which are strong Hillary supporters. And chances of Obama beating Hillary in California and New York are slim so the landslide won't happen.

The Republicans on the other hand don't have the super delegates so every delegate won in each state are very important to getting the final nomination. Which is the way I prefer it since the people get the say.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Lots of words and jokes to mask the lack of facts and true plan and ideas.
.

Ummmmmm, there's about 100 pages here of plans and ideas if you're really interested.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

I doubt you're really interested though. If you're for someone else that's fine, but I see people all the time saying crap like what you said when it just isn't true.
He has just as many detailed policy proposals as anyone else in the race, AND he has a better chance of getting these things accomplished after he's elected because he doesn't demonize the other side and has massive appeal amongst independents, unlike another candidate that I won't mention. (rhymes with Hillary)

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Unless its an absolute landslide win for Obama on Super tuesday, then it will be Clinton getting the nomination because of the super delegates being awarded which are strong Hillary supporters. And chances of Obama beating Hillary in California and New York are slim so the landslide won't happen.

The Republicans on the other hand don't have the super delegates so every delegate won in each state are very important to getting the final nomination. Which is the way I prefer it since the people get the say.

The super delegates aren't with Clinton until the death, if Obama wins more delegates than her by the convention, you'll see alot of superdelegates shift their support. (That or there will be blood on the convention floor)

Alot of the establishment is coming around to the idea of Obama being the nominee. The main reason Hillary has the establishment support she does is because her and Bill told these people two years ago they needed to be with her now, or don't ask for a seat at the table later. None of these people were willing to bet against the Clintons then, especially not knowing who else would be in the race.
That support is a mile wide and an inch deep, and if things start trending towards Obama those people will be lining up to get on the bandwagon.

[dougeetx]

Originally Posted by Zango

Obama... blah.

What a waste of time and energy. It is not time to have a black president yet. We will have several women before one black man.

Yeeeeeaaah....rrrrriiiigggghhhhtt! That comes from someone who promotes Zango!

[pr0]

Theres only 1 issue that really relates to us.

Barack Obama's Plan
Ensure the Full and Free Exchange of Information through an Open Internet and Diverse Media Outlets

* Protect the Openness of the Internet: A key reason the Internet has been such a success is because it is the most open network in history. It needs to stay that way. Barack Obama strongly supports the principle of network neutrality to preserve the benefits of open competition on the Internet. Users must be free to access content, to use applications, and to attach personal devices. They have a right to receive accurate and honest information about service plans. But these guarantees are not enough to prevent network providers from discriminating in ways that limit the freedom of expression on the Internet. Because most Americans only have a choice of only one or two broadband carriers, carriers are tempted to impose a toll charge on content and services, discriminating against websites that are unwilling to pay for equal treatment. This could create a two-tier Internet in which websites with the best relationships with network providers can get the fastest access to consumers, while all competing websites remain in a slower lane. Such a result would threaten innovation, the open tradition and architecture of the Internet, and competition among content and backbone providers. It would also threaten the equality of speech through which the Internet has begun to transform American political and cultural discourse. Barack Obama supports the basic principle that network providers should not be allowed to charge fees to privilege the content or applications of some web sites and Internet applications over others. This principle will ensure that the new competitors, especially small or non-profit speakers, have the same opportunity as incumbents to innovate on the Internet and to reach large audiences. Obama will protect the Internet’s traditional openness to innovation and creativity and ensure that it remains a platform for free speech and innovation that will benefit consumers and our democracy.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

The only candidate who can unite the republican party IS Hillary Clinton.

They will show up in droves to vote against her no matter who the republican nominee is.

You really think that redneck america is going to vote for Black guy with name Obama who was raised in a Muslim country? Get the fuck out of here. I have no problem with Obama, but wake up and smell the concrete.