please..

anyone with a new idea can still get in to the biz. they just need to partner up with someone already in the biz. it's better that way anyways - the newbie will benefit from the partner's experience, the partner will benefit from the newbie's idea if it is done right.

this won't stop innovation.

All that will happen then is ccbill will lose massive amounts of clients. ..as we start switching over to the dutch processors.

Facts: (Not just my opinions or hearsay)

- VISA is separated into several very seperate world regions.

- VISA USA has opted-in to the new regulations listed above.

- Several of the VISA regions have NOT opted in to these new regulations so they do NOT have to comply to the regulations above.

- If your 3rd party payment processor is based in the USA and continues to use VISA USA for its transaction processing you WILL have to comply with the regulations listed above.

- If your payment processor moves (or is already) offshore, you will NOT have to comply with ANY of the regulations listed above and things remain as they were.

- SOLUTION - SWITCH to an non-VISA USA based processor TODAY.

- Only one of the big five processors has made this change and they where NOT involved in today's JOINT statement.

BVF, just handle your business, Brad made a general comment,
don't let it get you worked up

Time to play the game or be voted off the island.

The strong will survive. The weak will be eliminated. And there's no room for boy scouts.

if anyone needs help setting a US based business
hit me up and i'll see what i can do

Any one selling your paysites hit me up..
I dont want your content just the domains
102973593

Glob bill has hired an attorney and is looking into off shore so there must be some lead way somewhere..

Who cant afford $750.00 ? No big deal.
I mean it sucks to have to pay anything at all but it's not exactly a huge sum.

Today it's $750. Tomorrow it's $7500. Next week they start evaluating your credit rating and prequalifying you. Next month you need merchant status approval from 3 separate banks. And next year?

The era of the *mom and pop* porno shop is ending.

you are all going to burn in hell!

PD4L

Surfers found sites BEFORE TGP's came along. They did so through search engines and review sites (like Jane's Guide). That kind of traffic is gold, and you don't have to give away (and devalue) content in order to get it.

There is nothing wrong with having "a small site," but a site that doesn't really even care if it makes money (and therefor isn't ready to risk anything because it doesn't have to) is not good for the industry.

who is that?

Yeah, I know what ya mean.
Im more worried they will become the deciding factor as far as what is acceptable. My sites should NOT have any obscenity problems but I hate censorship in all forms.

anyone ever notice the desparity between objections to everything and not understanding the issues.

no one here has talked about WHY it is happening.

just that they are against it.

the conspiracy theories start running wild about how everyone wants to fuck you, take your money, rip you off etc.

raising the barrier to entry in a business that traditionaly not had a low or non existent barrier to entry (free host, free content etc) is good for the overal health of the industry. that is what Brad is saying (though he tends to use more inflamatory language when making his points).

people did not care about any processing issues when it was not their problem. now it is their problem so it must be about some greedy conspiracy by credit card companies to lock themselves out of a billion dollar industry???? that seems a little absurd.

Visa was clear for years that things were going to get tighter and tighter. unless you live under a rock, or you just started stealing content to post on a freehost yesterday, you had to have known that. they have spoke out many times about how much money fraud and chargebacks cost them.

crisis = opportunity for true business people
crisis = death for people who were never businessmen to begin with.

this is your chance to innovate, to be creative, to be better and capitalize on a changing situation that few will adapt to.

Hats off to Hooper for recognizing that right away and offering to start cashing you guys out. Thats why he is a millionaire. he did his homework, he understood the situation, now he is going to start capitalizing on everyones bullshit gloom and doom, conspiracy theories about the end of the world.

What? :eek7

The United States was built on slavery. So what? The first thing you need to know about this industry more than any other is that "times change." Frequently.

Also, you've raised a good question about the sexually oriented stuff that's sold on eBay.

jesus.. have you people ever heard of SUPPLY AND DEMAND???

Visa cannot control you. They can only control Visa. They are responding to their own problems, concerns and financial realities... not trying to fuck you and read your brain waves.

Porn is a multi-billion dollar business in the US alone. i dont think Visas company policies is going to be the end of porn.
:2 cents:

We're all fuckin doomed.

Who cares.... The sun is going to explode in 6 years anyways... Let's get everyone together, and have a huge orgy!!!!

agreed.
:(

anyone want to buy my bicycle, my walkman and my new leather jacket?
i cant afford them now
:(

Anyone want an AVS site design for a good price?

Well hello off-shore billing.

Visa will never be able to keep their dirty hands clean.

$750 ... Fuck It, You have to pay the COST to be the BOSS.

I dont feel sorry for a muthafucka, no need to get all emotional..... It's ONLY business.

Does nobody see the reason for this type of action....VISA, as a corporation must protect itself against the chargebacks, refunds, and general mistrust that the consumer must harbor against the sleazy tactics of most "big corporation" adult sites.

It is ironic that some of the big guys were the ones fucking with credit card billing the hardest, and in some cases that's how they became the big guys, and their CC games are what pushed Visa to make these changes, but these changes will end up fucking the little guys hardest, at least at first.

I'll be interested to see how this plays out with some of the shady bigger companies over the next few years.

heh, yep. this is called self-regulation.

Well said...the smaller guys in general are running a more honest program..anyone can become big cheating and tricking the consumer...its unfortunate that the big players think they have "built" their empire...when anyone willing to lie can easily compete.

If you got a site and don't hve the $750, I might have a deal for you... Contact Me.

ICQ#117009101

Well,

What about WSB?

Jettis?

I have been doing tons of research, setting up my corp, and everything else to get my paysite off the ground.

Good news, I have $750 if I HAVE to pay it.

If I can go with someone where the $750 is not needed, it allows me to take that and reinvest it into Traffic, more content, and a lot of other things that can help me generate the revenue.

No worries

Macro

I would love to see VISA fuck a few big guys that play credit card games. BUT, these guys are fucking smart and continue to stay a few steps ahead of visa. Even a few will be on visas list not to process for, but they will simply set up shell companies, etc to get around visas rules.

There are people making millions a month playing these games, with that much on the line they work hard to beat visa and mc.

then I shall remain in the competition. Because business is business, and I don't lose any sleep over making a sale to some brainless surfer I'll never see. Fuck them. $ is what the bottom line is about, not how many good deeds I've done. When that changes, I'll go join a fucking cult and start worrying about it.

Someone would do that?:winkwink:

I am about to get on a plane, so I hate to get in on this, but....

Total Bullshit. These are Visa INTERNATIONAL Regs, passed by Visa - Worldwide - ALL Regions voted and passed. USA, Canada, Latin America, CEMEA, Asia/Pacific and EU - ALL of them. End of story.

Anybody that wants to "make a run for the border" better be talking about Taco Bell. You can run but you can't hide from Visa.

Cafeaulait: Don't sit out there and misinform webmasters to feather your own nest. We - CCBill, iBill and Paycom / EPOCH have taken these issues head on and although we know it costs us money, we demonstrate we are in for the long term.

So "switch" if you will, but from what I hear, you may not be welcome when you HAVE to return.

Chris
CEO EPOCH / Paycom

Any word on exactly how the Pay Sites located in Canada will be able to process with CCBill/iBill/Jettis and others? Will we have to set up a business in US to be able to use any of the processors based in US or will they have branches available here over the border?

If you go back and actually READ the whole thread .. my first post said quite clearly that this is good news for honest webmasters ( other than the fee's ) and an understandable move by Visa. Don't jump on my shit if you didnt even read the fucking thread.

Chris, will all the non-US companies processing through Epoch have to form a US company?

Here is an article I just found that seems to relate to this subject. It does not really say much about adult though.

http://www.workz.com/cgi-bin/gt/tpl_...t=1039&nav1=1&

i have read everything. it starts with a mix of conspiracy theories and cries of unfairness, instead of a discussion of why it is happening, why they are making these decisions and what are the facts of the case.

you were the one who chose to take it a step further and equate it to Visa telling you what is acceptable and what is not and basically censoring you. that is a more rediculous remark than most of the other comments.

other than that, if you would have read what i said, you would say that i agree with you for the most part. it will help. not hurt.

the low barrier to entry of this business has been its reason for success in the past and it is achilles heal today.

for more info about Visa Corp. and what it's got its hands into lately:

http://www.forbes.com/global/2002/0916/038.html