Any content, even amateur, is copyright. There is nothing like public domain. Most of the stuff on YouPorn is from amateur portals where people normally have to pay per video.

Each and every time a user uploads a video he didn't produce himself, it's a copyright violation. It's no a by-product, it's the business model and any different claim is a lame excuse.

I just hope that all the YouPorn scapers that are launching at the moment will teach them a lesson, bandwidth wise...they get their stolen content pulled live, but can't display their ads. Fair deal, they steal, others steal from them. Maybe the problem solves itself.

My biggest question is thus..... 2257

I can understand an affiliate saying.. hey.. I sell for XYZ program... they have the 2257 information. Look at my pages, it says so on each TGP, MGP or whatnot.. this is where the 2257 info is.

YouPorn, Megarotic, etc... running all this content.. has no 2257 info, anywhere. They don't have one single document and they don't have reference to the documentation of any piece of content they provide. Especially the amateur content. For such stuff, they are essentially the "original provider" rather than being a "secondary" as a typical affiliate would be defined. They have absolutely no proof whatsoever of whom their models are, proof of age, anything. DOJ should shut them all down for that alone.

Amateur content has to fall under the same guidelines as professional content. Have the documentation or at least have proof of who shot it so that the paper trail leads somewhere.

If there are a few example cases, your average webmaster wouldn't have the guys to open another tube site knowing that his ass may be sued or he might be put into prison. Now they all think they can start a new one and get away with it. Fear prevents so many things. That's why suing a few uploaders can also have a big impact.

From what we have seen the sponsors working with them are turning a blind eye, so it's definitely going to take more than content owner and affiliate complaining.

I can't see this going against sponsors in court either. Let's say Fenway Park or Wrigley Field were to be deemed unsafe, but somehow remained open and then fans got injured. Could the fans sue the sponsors who have purchased ad space around the park on the grounds that they contributed to keeping the place open? At first that sounds interesting, but does it go anywhere?

In any event, hypothetically speaking lets say suing advertisers was a way to cut off most site income. Now bandwidth becomes difficult to pay for if the site is large. What we have seen from the dark alleys of the internet over the past decade is that technology suddenly seems to develop in their favor that both brings their costs down and makes them harder to shut down.

With their backs against the wall, I can see tube sites implementing the same bit torrent technology that runs Joost and other video services. They found a way for surfers to pay for their bandwidth and it works. It's only a matter of time before it's used for evil.

There is a "user upload" loophole that currently applies. This is a huge loophole that allows the entire concept to even exist. For that matter dating sites as well.

Imagine if the playing field was level and "amateurs" had to have 2257 doc's, a place of business, etc. Actually that would be great!

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We're not all in the US, FYI.

Do you have any idea at all how many piracy websites and surfer uploaders have been sued my the RIAA and MPAA? Dozens of high profile site cases and over 10,000 surfers.

It hasn't done shit for them.

True, but if daddy next door gets his ass sued for upload PORN, it's more of a social stigma. Getting caught sharing music, well, noone cares, but PORN...at least it's a bit different.

But back to my original first post...

Tube sites do not phase me because due to their very nature they can not offer the same expirence as a good members area. And by good I mean by 2008 standards.

If you had the choice to surf Megarotic or your favorite paysite, which do you choose? And if you as an affiliate can't sell a members area to be more appealing than some tube site with lackluster quality video, then you need help.

Online porn has been in the crosshairs of governments and politicians since day one. The tube sites just shine a super bright light on the adult industry that no one will benefit from.

They steal our content, they offer free porn taking away from our sales, and they are so easy to use - just point and click - no any age verification on any level (content or surfer). A foolish formula that will ultimately kill off (or massively regulate) online porn.

Adapt or die? I laugh evertime some shortsighted asshole makes that statement. Yeah, adapt to no money from online porn, or die off trying to point out how dangerous the business model of free tube sites are.

Tube sites have no future, but what's worse is that they will help all of us have no future.

Only assholes sponsor tube sites. It is suicide to support tubes, and if you have any self-respect you will call out those who perpetuate this nonsense, and you will stop doing business with them.

Gee wonder if they will have the videos hosted by the torrents :winkwink:

No I dont agree on that one. Most amateur porn is from swingers, and people who want to show off, but dont think they are hot enough to get paid for it. Or just flat out exhibitionists. They get off on it, and that is payment enough for many. :2 cents:

Record companies made similar arguments before they lost their shirt.

I 100% agree on this. Too bad the adult industry is free to enter for all. I cannot believe how ignorant some people are. I am sick of hearing bullshit like adapt or die. Lets all go back to picpost sites and we will be rich.

That is right on, the majority of the freebie loaders will be freebie loaders for a long time. And they will find free porn wether it be on usenet full movies, p2p such as limewire, and so on.

If you have a members section that offers what the guy can't get anywhere else. They will sign up.

I'm relatively new to the tube site debate so please don't flame me to bad if I'm wrong here but...
If it's affiliates uploading to tube sites isn't there a way that the sponsors could track traffic from tube sites? If so they could make it a rule that content can't be used on tube sites.
If it's sponsor programs themselves doing it then affiliates could boycott those sponsors.
Again... I'm not well versed in the tube debate but I've always hated the free porn situation.

Jackpot, couldn't agree more.

It's not like there weren't any cheaters and thieves in the good old days, but what did they do ? Hitbots for toplists, a few stolen passwords, blind links instead of authorized banners, a few crappy stolen zmaster pics for a gallery.

Today: Advertising with implied CP, russian incest fantasy sites popping up everywhere, ripping and republishing of whole members areas on rapidshare, some of the most visited internet sites full of stolen content (tubes) or links to stolen content (torrents), a flood of people trying to rip off everybody whenever possible.

Yes, we still make good money, but it's like beating up someone and then saying: "Hey, what the fuck do you complain, adapt to it, you are still alive"

Very nice post. The secret in business is not how much money you can make, it's how many years can you make it.


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Been a swinger for 9 yrs. Your wrong once again,very very small number. Swingers tend to be very private people, they have very str8 day jobs and if videos of them fucking got online and found out it would ruin their careers.

Well Ive had the opposite experience I guess lol. Been swinging since 94 or 95. Ive had a ton of video sent to me from other couples and singles. So would far from say Im "wrong". Ive just had different experiences than you.

Funny I seem to remember http://www.icuii.com/ being a tad popular back in the day. Why do all the swinger sites have video upload and webcam viewing plus recording features? To say swingers which are largely exhibitionists dont like to do video of themselves and give it away just for the thrill is silly.

There is an answer that will cost you more future money than I want to think about.

Porn is coming very close to the regulatory ban-hammer. Face it, 2257 is meaningless with tube sites. If a product can't be regulated it gets banned. Australia has started, China will cut your wang off, the US would start a domino effect.

YES, this might sound stupid to all you hot young millionaires sitting 12 hours a day in-front of your monitors ..... but the world doesn't need porn. In fact there is a large percentage that just shouldn't be exposed to it. CHILDREN.

No-one can fight legislation when it's done to protect CHILDREN. To myself and many others "porn" is Playboy/Penthouse stuff. Try to defend some of the content out there, sure it's first amendment, it's also the CHILDREN.

Congress won't care about torrent posting rights, they won't have to when a clean up the net campaine starts. I just wish I would have had the chance to bitch but prosper under 2257 regulations for another decade or two. We ain't seen nothing yet.


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What you say is true with a couple exceptions. It is the old school picture and video sites that will be hurt the most. The companies who build 50 crap sites with all non exclusive content and all they offer is picture and videos, and they charge $34.95 a month. Yeah I agree those sites will get their asses handed to them by tube sites.

If you member's area offers real interraction, live cams, models who communicate and cater to the members, good customer service, then your membership site will do fine with or without tube sites (or free content) out there.

The exception I see is the quality custom content niche sites out there. The sites that are only picture and video but they provide custom quality content from picture shoots that cost thousands of dollars and they update their sites often. These sites will suffer. Their member's area is quality and worthly of people paying $30 a month but if all of their shit is downloaded and put on tubes or torrents then it will be hard for them to stay in business.

I agree with what you posted but there are a few exceptions.

Why do you idiots keep bumping this thread? Really, just do the world a favor and just bump a contest thread. And do not bump it just to point out the fact I bumped it.


Tube sites that post stolen content will eventually be taken down by DDOS or worse. Mark my words.

yes in regards to 2257 but only for the person uploading content of themselves. If i make a video of myself and i upload it to a site like aff so i can put it on my dating profile then I don't have to deal with 2257. If I steal your porn video off of your site and I upload it to my AFF dating profile then I should be held to 2257 guidelines. That is not me in the video and I do not own the content. The law might not specify that but if tested I will bet everything I own that the person stealing nude content and uploading it will NOT be protected by 2257 "user upload" loophole.

Now the site will be protected from needing 2257 documention because it does not monitor its uploads (wanna be SE) but the person uploading it is another story. They are "publishing" nude content to the web for others to see without providing documentation. They are using content they did not make or do not own, they should not be exempt from providing documention of the person nude in the image or video they are uploading. If it was a video of themselves they would have the proof (their license in their wallet) that they could document with 100% certainty that the person (themselves) in the video is of legal age.

Apply this to Copyright theft. These type of social network, tube, upload type sites might be protected by DMCA from copyrighted material, BUT the person uploading the stolen content is BREAKING THE LAW, SUE THEM!.

I have 2 kids of my own. I filter the shit out of what they have access to and I feel it's a parents responsibility to do that, not the government. But I also have to say our kids have a healthy view of nudity and bodies as they know what kind of work I do (well... at least up to a Playboy level).

On the other hand, the Internet is the fucking wild wild west with no regulation. People can do just about whatever the fuck they want to and get away with it. There is really no control. Finding ways to protect copyrights, keep kids away and also maintain it as a strong business force it a huge task..... one which most people say is better left as it is.

I would prefer that the government block access to sites that don't conform to US laws that are hosted outside the US. No reason they shouldn't be able to. That includes terrorist sites, pirate, p2p, obscene porn, etc.

As far as kids go... people should try being parents once in a while instead of letting their XBox and PC play babysitter.

so true...

I think your solution to infringement causes more harm than good.

That would be an extremely dangerous thing for the future of the internet if a western country implemented the laws you are calling for. Governments should never have the power to censor internet content at their sole discretion in the name of protecting it's citizens and private business interests.

If the US does it, then everyone else follows. You may as well throw away all your .com's and get ready to be limited to .us, .co.uk, .co.au, .ca, etc... because things will snowball out of control and webmasters can't possibly tailor their site content to meet the individual demands of a hundred different countries with an internet presence.

For instance France and Germany have a ban on Nazi materials. Imagine if a GFY troll started posting Nazi propaganda here. Webmasters in those countries would be at risk of losing access to GFY. And that is just ONE example.

Webcam isnt the same and I highly doubt you were a swinger in 94 95 . Your currently what 31 yrs old maybe? Also when you see am video on a swinger site its looks nothing like "am" video on tube sites. Do you think your going to get something for sucking their dicks? lol

Ill be 35 this year Tony. Guess all the Sticky haters calling me "kid" all the time made you think I was younger. Graduated in 91. Was around 21 and started swinging with a girlfriend. There was a swingers club up in OH across the border from PA we used to frequent.

Who's dick am I sucking exactly by saying Ive seen ton of amateur video over the years done by swingers? :1orglaugh

Sorry I thought you were younger. I still disagree lol you old bastard lol

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Good point...I think the most valuable customer is attracted to a particular model, niche or theme and he demands regular updates and full access to all the content thats available. To my knowledge the tube sites offer only bits and pieces...I think you hit the nail on the head.

I think sticking to niche or ultra niche business is a way to combat tube sites

must be different in the gay community.

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