This is the funniest shit I've ever seen. When was the last time you were on your own website? Almost everyone of the most viewed videos are stolen commercial content. People come to your site to view the stolen content for free. There are a lot of idiots on this board that will buy your "we aren't dependent on webmaster uploads" bullshit, but most will not. Once you guys delete all the stolen content, your traffic will go to shit. I guarantee it.

you're the most uneducated affiliate rep in the universe. shut the fuck up about drm and other things you know jack shit about and get to removing all the commercial shit you "don't want on your site anyhow", like your nitwit boss said the other day.

No wonder you guys got knocked out at Internext :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it (Upton Sinclair) :winkwink:

Upton knew what he was talking about :thumbsup

Didnt read the whole thread, but from what I gather a prevailing theme here is that the model is based on inevitability. Well, if I walked up my road and pulled on the doorhandles of every car, I guarantee you that some of them are unlocked with no alarms. So what.
Whats the next theory.

the theory is that you then hop in the car, hotwire it, break the steering lock, drive off and then use it for a taxi to make money for the next two years... and when someone says "yo, what the fuck are you doing?" - you say: "well duh, the door was unlocked... you had to expect me to steal it and make money with it... so i really don't get why you're upset" and then you're all clear. you will have no problems because apparently its not illegal to steal a car and use it for your own taxi business, if the door was unlocked.

its a good model... from there, i you can keep using that same logic and find locked cars... break into them and explain its ok because it didn't have a car alarm.

find a car thats locked and has a good car alarm, you can break into the car, disable the alarm and blame them for not having a better car alarm.

basically, you're always ok as long as you have some dumb way to shift blame while ignoring the obvious fact that you are breaking many many laws.

:2 cents:

oh boy.


what a trainwreck.

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Is this guy actually an employee, or a great troll? :1orglaugh

Yea but first the owner has to see you driving his stolen car then send you a letter asking if you will please return it.

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Reading this thread and shaking my head.

Just_in_Support if you want to be legal and not have stolen content on your site. Limit the size of the clips, nothing more than 2 minutes should be fine. You could also approve uploaders, surfers uploading full scenes from Bangbus are stealing it.

You don't have the right to profit from it, because someone steals it. I'm assuming surfers are sitting there for hours uploading full scenes just to share porn and not Xtube doing it themselves for profit.

The haters of stolen content. Just_in_Support has a point if you want to protect your content you need to do more than flame on GFY or confront someone at a show.

You need to organise and get behind people who are doing something to stem the flow. You need to cut off the paymasters of Tube sites, dating and cam sites who advertise with them. Even companies who do business with companies who do business with pirates.

In the long run you will not lose business, because a guy does not join AFF he will join Dating Gold. Stop thinking you're making money on impulse buys, happened 10 years ago when a guy discovered there was porn on the Net. Today he's seen the advert of a girl in his town looking to date him 100s of times.

Then we need to be paying attornies to drag uploaders into court and sue their asses. Also the sites that carry the content. To get a list of IP addresses. We need to spend money on making it very unprofitable to run a site that supports pirates. It's the Acacia method, do it our way or spend a fortune in court to stop us putting you our on the street.

I was spending money with APIC, to protect my content, before most of you had an Internet connection. And still support the guys trying to take down the pirated content. Remove Your Content.


And instead of bringing down 2257 you should be supporting it, it can help shut down US based Tube site. Then making sure that it's adopted overseas or a similar law.

A flame on GFY is free, stopping pirates cost money. How many names do I see here not listed on Remove Your Content.


Now you can all flame me as well.

And just before I forget. :winkwink:

Look at the traffic stats on the Tube sites and you see one trend. They are getting their traffic to stay. Their traffic is rising and rising. Now is this 100% free surfers or is it members traffic? Hard to tell because only the payment processors know for sure. It could be members going for VOD, PPV and trials instead of full memberships or just more sites sharing the same turn over. Payment processors know if revenue in the business is down, level or up. I don't know.

If full memberships are down, because of Tube sites. Then we as an industry have to face it the surfers prefer a shitty Tube site to a $30 for 30 day membership. If the traffic is going to other options then we as an industry need to adapt.

The real shame is the surfers are preferring a shit service, and they are shit, to what we are selling. I'm assuming the PORN industry is suffering from a decline in turn over. Is our product so good, our service so marvellous the surfer prefers a Tube site to us? On the DVD market the reason is simple, for years they went the "Give us more for less" then sold the customer crap for the same price. They offered producers less and less and loaded shelves with more and more titles.

Here we know more about what the affiliates want and willing to give it to them, and let the surfer pay the bill, than we know about what the surfers wants. And please don't tell me he wants it for free. He's just not willing to pay for what we are selling.

We might closed down the Tube sites, but do you think the only way we can get people to buy is by force? You might be surprised about that. If think the surfer is coming back to the 40 videos for $30 sites because he can't get it at a Tube site. You are living in a dream world. The tube sites will buy content, go 100% legal and charge 10 cents a download, OK maybe 50 cents. Remember they don't need to sell $30 memberships.

It's 2008 and we need to rethink our business model, the one we had in 1998 is not working. Throwing more traffic at it is not the solution, converting more is.

Eventually the govt. itself will get the tube sites, and some people will get locked up. Maybe JIP. They won't allow copyright violations to go unchecked indefinitely, too many big boys in the straight world don't like that business model.

In other words, he's broke with a new startup I've never heard of, a WoW site that a million gamers make in their spare time for nothing but pleasure. I'm glad he was smart enough to go back to square one and try again, whereas you most likely will serve time first. Because you don't seem very smart to me.

Unless you count smartASS.

This is exactly why TEVS doesn't allow updates. Fucken surfer upload full length movies and then BAD (yes you Xtube) webmasters accept it without even thinking twice.

I would be happy to see you turn off all submission by everyone and just update the site yourself with your own content that you buy. That way you are the only one that could be blamed if using stolen content. But I dought that would even happen.

WTF are you talking about that the quality of video on tube sites is shit? The videos are flash, and alot of them are pretty fucking clear and crisp. And can be watched instantly, every niche, etc.


Once a surfer cums he is no longer a potential member. At least not until he's ready to cum again. :2 cents:

You just hit the fucking nail on the fucking head, on why they go to Tube sites and put up with the bad quality. And they are bad, Tube's can't afford to deliver what membership sites do because of the BW costs.

He wants to jerk off for 20 minutes, you want $30 from him. And do you think he will come back to spending $30 if you close the Tubes?

To sell a product you need to understand the product and the customer.

Maybe this is the real problem. so many surfers want to come and go and we built a model around him cumming and staying. Or paying as if he's going to stay.

The balance between profit and loss on a Tube site, I imagine, is slim. Would we put them out of business if we sold movies for 50 cents a pop? OK vary the price and package to suit. Take out the buyers from the system and the Tubes might sink.

You can't force surfers to buy.

They are probably going to let sponsors submit with urls in it since they already have a shitload of content.

Hi Justin, lets talk about some smart stuff instead of the same attacks.

Case 1 - I'm a program owner and I want use xtube to promote my site(s). None other than me could moan about the length of movies and the number of them.

Case 2 - I'm a webmaster allowed by paysite/program owner to submit their contents. I know program owners who love xtube.

I suppose that it's better keeping accepting these two kinds of people instead of fake amateur accounts. And most of all you have to understand that

watermarked video + banner = legal contents

watermarked video without banner = illegal contents

It seems that you've hit the wrong people :D

good to see this thread is still going... ive read through everything and everyone is making this guy from xtube look incredibly stupid

I think you like throwing out that 50 cents a pop.That sounds nice show us how that can make a profit if one is shooting new content a regular basis.

Well, if you were Xtube wouldn't you just hire another full time employee and have them post approved sponsor content with your ref code instead of letting everone else have the revenue? Obviously tube sites need every last nickel......

Brad

Xtube still uses video content while placing banners to a sponsor that doesnt even own the content

Bad comparison. Technically the swap meet sellers are fences of stolen goods in that case, and yes, can be charged. I don't think that's exactly what tube sites do, it would be more like they are the guy that owns the swap meet and lets retailers have space.

nevermind

fire that Just Support guy

100% incorrect. This idea was on the table before - get your fingers going on your keyboard for the thread about it, here on GFY.

The AEE is where we were when I decided it was time to stop it 100%. Everyone agreed.

WM uploads pollute the content selection so by removing that we're removing the pro stuff there is only Amateur left.

Amateur is the focal point of XTube.
It has always been our policy to ban users who upload illegal content. :thumbsup

Why not prosecute them too?

I created XTube and then a whole bunch of copycats showed up and stole my traffic.

But then you will have very little content

Justin, you're digging so fucking far down you will fuck up business relations with XTube so badly it will be permanent. I spent a fucking lot of time trying to appease people and I am not going to let you fucking trash it right after I leave. Smarten the fuck up - stop fighting with people. It makes you look the fool and you're shitting on XTube.

Use facts or stay the fuck out of GFY - this place is a giant pissing match and you're losing! :mad:

Change scares people, but change is necessary - porn knows this and for a long time porn was the leader in change. Suddenly porn is not the leader and people are sitting on their hands.

If DRM scares off users, but everyone was doing it, then they would adapt as required. But, in light of Apple throwing DRM out, it is time for new thinking, but the point remains the same - change is coming and people adapt to it.

You reported it and the report somehow went unnoticed. There are several ways to report it. I know that Justin pasted text from the admin area which showed a user did report it. The problem is not that the report when unnoticed, but rather the synchronization across all servers (more than a hundred). The fact that no one responded to your DMCA notification is poor on the part of Justin.

Justin, you're good at coming here and throwing stats around, but you should be spending your time in the actual business of XTube, which includes DMCA reports as a priority. How the fuck do you forget that only a month after I am gone? :mad: I fucking feel like coming back just to clean up the mess!

I think that the Tubes are watching google vs viacom very closely before decisions are made on that one.

I look at it more like this...

When you blame user controlled tube sites you are blaming Ford and Budweiser, but not the drunk guy who actually drove the car.

That would work for PornoTube where there is no focus on amateur content. The focus of XTube is the amateurs. Would you have us telemarket homes asking them for home made porn for use on XTube? Uhm, no.

The objective of the removal of WM content is to remove pro content from the site, and make only legit pro content available for sale as DVDs. This was already stated. XTube is refining it's content selection and availability and at the same time protecting copyrights. This is a good move, and no one wants to see that. Let it happen and you will see. XTube is upset about content theft and always has been, just like you all.

Thats why, if you have uploaders check a notice stating that they own the rights to distribute the content (see cnn's "ireport" upload section for a sample), you can go after them if you find that they've done so. Not just ban their IP.

Surfers will never buy when there is free shit out there.
The paysite model is a bad model because it is an ongoing cost for a sporadically used product. A user can sign up and download the entire site in the first few days, then cancel, then beat off endlessly, and only paid a small amount.

What XTube does is it enables anyone in the world to upload their own home-made porn (this is the objective) for free. It can be viewed for free and if so chosen the user can sell it too and earn a profit. That caters really really well to the reality tv theme that is so popular lately and people just keep coming back for more and more.

Obviously therein lies the potential for upping illegal shit. Since day one I have planned around protecting rights and it is a big job, but I still worked on it all the time. You guys get so aggressive about it and accuse me/XTube of not even trying, or of intentionally taking it when that is so far from the truth that OF COURSE we come on here bitter about it.

We're trying, just understand that.

Except Ford and Budweiser didn't design their products so people can drive drunk. Tube sites facilitate copyright theft.