Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 13660129)

Hi Barefootsies Just a bit off topic here, but do you remember that guy on the other place Trying to pay for signups I contacted the sponsor and the thread has been taken down and I got a bloody infraction and cant post until it runs out ..how good is that hey.. next time I will just keep my mouth shut next time I think:(

Originally Posted by leedsfan (Post 13659645)

I own and operate a tube site that makes its money from SPONSOR approved content. They have to approve it first, then it goes up. We only use 60-90 second clips because that way we have a chance of converting the tube novice into a paying member on CT's.

Originally Posted by mike-al (Post 13660134)

Why the constant C&D game? Once is enough for fair warning... Why not just blatent go get some change from them? Too much headache? I looking for true reason here please... Why not slap that file on em? From multiple angles other than just plain copyright theft as explained above

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 13660164)

You want a reason businesswise?

By that time they get to court, the offender will have removed their shit. Something a simple C&D could have done.

Originally Posted by mike-al (Post 13660211)

kinda sounds like that guy that got robbed out in the boonies/suburbs, who has locks on his door but never locks it.. "Hell, who around here is gonna rob me??" I knows em all and we's all cool!"

Then one day.. hey mom, did wheesa get robbed? everythign seem to be a missin...

Sounds like you can care less about the problem, just wanna whine about it in HOPES it goes away... Kinda how we felt about terrorism and look what its become

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 13660164)

Vivid isn't going to take the time tracking their shit down. They are just going to hit you with some broad lawsuit. Good for them. They have the time and money to tie up the shit in courts. By that time they get to court, the offender will have removed their shit. Something a simple C&D could have done.

Originally Posted by mike-al (Post 13659370)

I am Anti-tube site as everyone else basically from an affiliate stand point though.. I dont have content, i dont sell content, and I dont sell memberships.. What we do do is generate traffic using sponsor provided content to that sponsor.
and for all the haters (yes I am creating TubeLand.com a tube site, but its just sponsor provided promo clips.. so please spare me the hate mail)

now onto the discussion I am curious of learning more about...

Tube Sites are a big threat to us as it has basically been a way to wipe out 10 years of our hard work, by simply giving away the cake, the batter, the frosting, using other peoples content (or in this case other peoples cake batter)

Now I dont want to get in the nitfit fight about this, we all know what
the story is, and everyones angles, and all that but as I always said to
my boss when we have a problem.. There is MORE than one way to skin a cat..

But What I don't see is people skinning cats..

For example..

You have content.... You complain it's being stolen... What are you doing to protect it? I see the exact opposite of protection being done..
I see full blown mega $$$ produced paysites going out of they way to say
COME INSIDE WE HAVE NO DRM, DRM FREE! DOWNLOAD & SAVE THE FILES ALL YOU WANT. NO BANDWIDTH RESTRICTIONS, more and more on sponsor sites than ever before..

If content is your bread and butter, why are you not protecting it?
Why are you not having software that runs thru your site that
validates /verifies it so it can only be played there?

It's just a thought that recently crossed my mind.. I am all against the content theft, but if the shit really is hitting the fan.. why are no steps being taken in this direction?


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(For those that dont know what DRM is, is Digital Rights Management) basically software that controls the media being played to make sure its licensed to said party.. and stuff like that)

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 13660219)

Wrong bitch.

Unlike many, I actively police my stuff. I do not whine about it on GFY and hope it goes away by the magic mike-al genie.

:disgust

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13660226)

Yes, but every time a thief is hit with a lawsuit, it is one more leak in the boat. They have to hire a lawyer, and they are expensive.

Lawsuits are the solution.

Originally Posted by mike-al (Post 13660239)

Sorry, Please forgive me but I just dont understand your business principals... You waste time policing it, but knowing your going to do nothing about it?

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13659993)

Im sure its heading that way.

Originally Posted by quantum-x (Post 13660235)

Interestingly, I developed a solution that stopped content theft / content being spread to torrent sites etc IN ITS TRACKS - and contacted over 50 affiliate programs.

You know what? Not one single program was willing to pay even $200 a month to be covered, or to try to prevent the problem.

Seems like there are a lot of empty vessels around here...

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 13660247)

50 mike-al fucking idiots.



Sorry bitch, I'm not playing devil's advocate with you. Anyone who is a smaller company, with limited time and resources understands it fine.

When YOU start making content, get it stolen, and have to deal with the issue. THEN you come and give me your "expert" advice on how to resolve it.

Until then, keep stirring the pot.

Originally Posted by Zorgman (Post 13660250)

Its ready there. I found one just yesterday. However, i notice he took it down now. Looked almost the same.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 13660251)

wow.....

:Oh crap

Originally Posted by mike-al (Post 13660134)

Why the constant C&D game? Once is enough for fair warning... Why not just blatent go get some change from them? Too much headache? I looking for true reason here please... Why not slap that file on em? From multiple angles other than just plain copyright theft as explained above

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13660018)

You must not have read his post. The person he is talking about owns a proggie.

Originally Posted by mike-al (Post 13660361)

I don't buy the "user upload" scheme one bit, what typical user
has such a connection to upload 2 gigs of porn on their "dsl" connection
that is some 512kbps if they are lucky

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 13660375)

then you tie it back into the site owner and they have no protection from DMCA if they put it there. they are nailed. there is clear case of copyright violation by the "user". you can easily force the site that is acting like a "hosting company" to turn over the information for that user. If they dont have the info or if it ties back to them they are fucked.

Originally Posted by will76

Fuck C&D or DMCA, why not file charges against the " users " who are uploading the stolen content, DMCA doesn't protect them. Then the site has to comply and give over their information. I bet not all of them use fake info and proxy servers to upload content. Not now, since they know they have nothing to worry about. 50/50 chance the ip is tied back into the site owner. Either way, nail a few of the "people" doing the uploading. If one program laid down the law on their content, people who steal would stay away from that program. And/Or if you target 1 site at a time like megarotic and every program sues all the users who upload their content to that site, then people will stop going to megarotic and it will lose a lot of it's traffic. If it loses all it's content, and people are scared to upload new content, then where do they get content from

Originally Posted by mike-al

Sorry about that guys, that got to me... but back to what I am poking at...
Noone is protecting their content.. this leads me to believe something strange is going on here.... something is NOT adding up, and I am trying to figure out what it is.. Is it a different format of money they want but just keeping quiet, is it they are the runners of all these sites? Soemthing is not making sense to all this supposed illegal content out there and nothing being done about it...

Originally Posted by quantum-x (Post 13660418)

See my earlier posts on this subject.
My code works with every major CMS, and can tie everything back to individual users, but noone seems to care ;)

and i'm not spamming any product, i'm over the concept of trying to help almost...

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 13660362)

Umm ya and I do thanks. :uhoh and Im not ashamed to attach my opinions to mine, unlike you. Coward. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 13659408)

BOTH - TUBE SITES WILL BE THE END OF THE ONLINE PORN BIZ.

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13662761)

ha ha. Thats because I actually have something to lose by pissing off people who promote my shit. Call me a coward, I say Im smart. This board is great but I dont trust any single person who uses it.

BTW, I have atleast 400 free sites that get more traffic than your top paysite. I also push more traffic to one of the hundred plus programs I promote daily, than all your paysites put together. Not saying your sites are ugly or not usable, but when your pushing 600 people a day to your top site, I wouldnt be acting like I know anything. You should have started by making a good paysite, learning how to get traffic, then maybe start a program. But after reading your posts I understand why you wouldnt go that route.

Originally Posted by mike-al (Post 13662956)

so that means nothing will be the end of the industry based on that theory? <blink> <blink> <blink> and define industry.... affiliate industry or porn industry

Originally Posted by mike-al (Post 13662956)

so that means nothing will be the end of the industry based on that theory? <blink> <blink> <blink> and define industry.... affiliate industry or porn industry

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 13662985)

lol Well since we are just now building internal traffic I think we'll be find captain coward. No we are not huge yet. Im pushing around 300k a month of internal traffic up from 200k the month before. Slow and steady wins the race. I work everyday on our traffic. Im sure Id be much better off spending my time spamming crappy threads about some looney canidate that has 0 chance of getting the nomination or winning any election for Pres. lol

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13663074)

Funny how you have to resort to slamming my sig because everything I said is true. I do not need to spam my program sig because everyone allready knows my sites lead the way in our rightfull niches, so it holds no monetary gain for me to do otherwise. Like I said, I think you have a nice start to your program and I wish you luck. I might even promote you someday when you offer more advanced billing options.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 13663160)

We offer cascading through CCBill actually. Im glad I didn't go 3rd party at this point. <sarcasm> But anyways I forgot to mention that I own a Leer Jet and a Rolls Royce phantom is parked in my 25 car garage. No I wont bother to show you, I wont be lowered to that level. Just take my word that Im a big player. </sarcasm> Don't make claims to be some big shot if you are too scared to reveal who you are. :2 cents: By looking at your threads you have made I see signs pointing to this being unlikely, but who knows could be true. Either way I've got traffic to work on in order to catch up I guess. Have fun. :)

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13663180)

I feel the same way. In reality lets just say your right and nobody really cares. I can go with that. I just hate to see assholes steal content and give it away for profit.