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Must See Documentary about ISLAM....[VIDEO]

01-11-2008, 01:58 AM

Below a 12 part documentary about Islam.....I'm not convinced or encouraging
that all this is to be true....but it does raise some questions....Judge yourself
and enjoy!

(All parts auto play each after the other)

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=QFPXQQ...aynext_from=PL

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01-11-2008, 02:03 AM

there's a bit too many jewish people in the panel....especially near the end
that becomes quite clear....but defenitely worth watching

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01-11-2008, 02:55 AM

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01-11-2008, 02:56 AM

cliff notes i dont have time to watch that shit
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01-11-2008, 03:19 AM

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cliff notes i dont have time to watch that shit

fuck cliff notes if you don't have time don't watch and don't educate yourself

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01-11-2008, 05:21 AM

Everyone should see this...
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01-11-2008, 05:52 AM

Very interesting, certainly a bit biased, but obviousely many people underestimate the power of religious fanatics in the muslim world.
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01-11-2008, 05:55 AM

Documentary about Islam made by Jews

"Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews" (Zohar I, 168a)

"Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin" (Babha Kama 113a)

"The Jew is allowed to exploit the mistake of a Non-Jew and to deceive him" (Talmud IV/1/113b)
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01-11-2008, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by donnie

Documentary about Islam made by Jews

"Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews" (Zohar I, 168a)

"Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin" (Babha Kama 113a)

"The Jew is allowed to exploit the mistake of a Non-Jew and to deceive him" (Talmud IV/1/113b)

Islam has similar verses......so has Christianity and other religions.....the whole point of religion is control

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01-11-2008, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

Islam has similar verses......so has Christianity and other religions.....the whole point of religion is control

Fuck all religion. Bullshit has caused more strife and problems on this planet than anything.

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01-11-2008, 06:27 AM

" Islam will conquer, and will continue to conquer, until everyone in the world says there us not other god that Alah, and mohomad is is profit."

And he claims that they are responsible to taking down Hitler, and Hitler was a bad thing for the world. Hmmm.

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01-11-2008, 06:34 AM

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Islam has similar verses......so has Christianity and other religions.....the whole point of religion is control

That is my point. But Islam is singled out as ?terrorist religion?

So let me tell you the truth? Islam is poor man?s religion. We live in a world with limited resources. For you and me to enjoy watching football on our 60? LCD-TV while talking on our $700 mobile phone, somebody has to die from starvation or simply just die.

You have LARGE Muslim population in Asia and Africa. These people live on under $1 a day, yet they are portrayed as the biggest threat to western world.

The easiest way to control them is to portray them as something dangerous and strange and not compatible with modern world. What would happen if all of them wanted what is rightfully theirs?
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01-11-2008, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

Below a 12 part documentary about Islam.....I'm not convinced or encouraging
that all this is to be true....but it does raise some questions....Judge yourself
and enjoy!

(All parts auto play each after the other)

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=QFPXQQ...aynext_from=PL

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01-11-2008, 06:43 AM

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That is my point. But Islam is singled out as ?terrorist religion?

Do you know how Christianity and western world was 600 years ago? You'd be ashamed to know what your ancestors were doing back then. Never forget Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity.

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01-11-2008, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Vick!

Do you know how Christianity and western world was 600 years ago? You'd be ashamed to know what your ancestors were doing back then. Never forget Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity.

I am Muslim... But I know what Europe looked like 600 years ago.
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01-11-2008, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Vick!

cliff notes?

fuck cliff notes if you don't have time don't watch and don't educate yourself

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01-11-2008, 06:50 AM

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That is my point. But Islam is singled out as ”terrorist religion”

So let me tell you the truth… Islam is poor man’s religion. We live in a world with limited resources. For you and me to enjoy watching football on our 60” LCD-TV while talking on our $700 mobile phone, somebody has to die from starvation or simply just die.

You have LARGE Muslim population in Asia and Africa. These people live on under $1 a day, yet they are portrayed as the biggest threat to western world.

The easiest way to control them is to portray them as something dangerous and strange and not compatible with modern world. What would happen if all of them wanted what is rightfully theirs?

You can also wonder why most of these Muslims are and have remained so
poor. Besides all religions use same tactics like portraying other religions
as dangerous......so that logic is flawed. Islam has a lot of similarities with
Communism......small extreme elite and rich part and the masses the exact
opposite....which is the key to being able to mobilize their people and make
them do anything to try and concur the world

Take away everything a man has and within no time he'l be prepared to kill and fight

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01-11-2008, 06:53 AM

The world didn't keep Muslims poor...their own leaders did.....and they'll
continue todo so until they have accomplished their goals with it

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01-11-2008, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

You can also wonder why most of these Muslims are and have remained so
poor. Besides all religions use same tactics like portraying other religions
as dangerous......so that logic is flawed. Islam has a lot of similarities with
Communism......small extreme elite and rich part and the masses the exact
opposite....which is the key to being able to mobilize their people and make
them do anything to try and concur the world

Take away everything a man has and within no time he'l be prepared to kill and fight

I don?t agree with that. Being poor is a virtue in Christianity but opposite in Islam. However I do agree Islam is used by some to mobilize masses. Same as with Christianity or any other religion.

You live in Europe, right? How many Muslim live in Europe? Millions? Why aren?t they killing everybody who is not Muslim? They are already here and there is nothing that can stop them.

Anyone can make a stupid movie and fill it with propaganda. But here is the undisputed fact: In 2006 there were 481 acts of terrorism in Europe. Just one (not 1 % but ONE act of terrorism) was committed by a Muslim group.
- 424 ?ethno-nationalist and separatist? (mostly in France and Spain)
- 55 ?left-wing and anarchist? (mainly Greece , Italy, Spain and Germany)
- 1 failed Islamist terrorist attack (in Germany, plus two more attempts allegedly foiled in Denmark and the UK)
- 1 right-wing terrorist attack (in Poland)
http://www.europol.europa.eu/publica.../TESAT2007.pdf

If Islam is a ?terrorist religion? why aren?t millions of Muslim in Europe committing any terrorist acts?
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01-11-2008, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by donnie

I don?t agree with that. Being poor is a virtue in Christianity but opposite in Islam. However I do agree Islam is used by some to mobilize masses. Same as with Christianity or any other religion.

You live in Europe, right? How many Muslim live in Europe? Millions? Why aren?t they killing everybody who is not Muslim? They are already here and there is nothing that can stop them.

Anyone can make a stupid movie and fill it with propaganda. But here is the undisputed fact: In 2006 there were 481 acts of terrorism in Europe. Just one (not 1 % but ONE act of terrorism) was committed by a Muslim group.
- 424 ?ethno-nationalist and separatist? (mostly in France and Spain)
- 55 ?left-wing and anarchist? (mainly Greece , Italy, Spain and Germany)
- 1 failed Islamist terrorist attack (in Germany, plus two more attempts allegedly foiled in Denmark and the UK)
- 1 right-wing terrorist attack (in Poland)
http://www.europol.europa.eu/publica.../TESAT2007.pdf

If Islam is a ?terrorist religion? why aren?t millions of Muslim in Europe committing any terrorist acts?

Simple answer.....they haven't got the right numbers to pull it off.... Also
not every Muslim pratices Islam the way it's intended to. Especially the
ones who got out of the bad situation change their attitude towards their
religion....and there lies the answer to the problem....once you take away
peoples motivation they fight...most will do so.

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01-11-2008, 07:14 AM

b.t.w. I also very clearly stated my questions about this documentary. I also
said I don't believe all that's said as to be true and that the documentary
has a pro Israeling sauce over it.......nevertheless it's still good to watch
for personal education....you just shouldn't take anything you watch, read
and hear as unquestionable facts........even if it looks objective verify it
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01-11-2008, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

fuck cliff notes if you don't have time don't watch and don't educate yourself

Too much shit to watch, I'm not sure I'm this interested in learning about some random religion. Cliff notes would actually be nice
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01-11-2008, 07:32 AM

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Too much shit to watch, I'm not sure I'm this interested in learning about some random religion. Cliff notes would actually be nice

Ok you might learn perhaps something about how other people their
religion may affect both you and the rest of the world....

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01-11-2008, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

Simple answer.....they haven't got the right numbers to pull it off.... Also
not every Muslim pratices Islam the way it's intended to. Especially the
ones who got out of the bad situation change their attitude towards their
religion....and there lies the answer to the problem....once you take away
peoples motivation they fight...most will do so.

Don't have right numbers to pull it off?? There are 15-20 million Muslims in Europe. How many does it take to do something?

So the logical answer should be that MOST Muslims DO practices their religion the way it is indented to and not the other way around.
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01-11-2008, 07:41 AM

Escorpio doesnt know much about the world. Its a little thing called GENOCIDE, and not "Bullshit" or Religion that has caused the most suffering in the History of the World. 500 Million dead because of genocide and counting.
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01-11-2008, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by donnie

Don't have right numbers to pull it off?? There are 15-20 million Muslims in Europe. How many does it take to do something?

So the logical answer should be that MOST Muslims DO practices their religion the way it is indented to and not the other way around.

No therefor you should watch the documentary....a LOT of muslims don't
practice their religion as it was intended to. That's opposite of what the
world wants us to believe.

Islam is like many other religions if not all not a peaceful religion as almost
everyone claims......

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01-11-2008, 07:50 AM

With not the correct numbers to pull it off I meant not enough Muslims who
are prepared to do it......that's a different number than the amount of people
who practice a form of moderate Islam.

The reason for this is for a big part that Muslims living in the west aren't in the same
position without a chance of a better future

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01-11-2008, 07:59 AM

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With not the correct numbers to pull it off I meant not enough Muslims who
are prepared to do it......that's a different number than the amount of people
who practice a form of moderate Islam.

The reason for this is for a big part that Muslims living in the west aren't in the same
position without a chance of a better future

So it is not about religion. If you oppress somebody that person will fight back no matter what religion he is. Yet Islam IS portrayed as something dangerous in western world
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01-11-2008, 08:04 AM

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So it is not about religion. If you oppress somebody that person will fight back no matter what religion he is. Yet Islam IS portrayed as something dangerous in western world

Yes and no.....EVERY religion is portrayed like that it just depends who you
ask. There's differences between how extreme a religion is and Islam does happen to be
in essence the most violent and extreme one....no matter how you try to spin it....

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01-11-2008, 08:06 AM

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01-11-2008, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

Islam has similar verses......so has Christianity and other religions.....the whole point of religion is control

examples please
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01-11-2008, 08:10 AM

The danger with Islam is the vast amount of people and the situation they
live in.....

Hitler got in charge and was able to mobilize the Germans in a heavy recession
and that wasn't nowhere near as bad as the conditions most muslins live in.

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01-11-2008, 08:11 AM

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examples please

Watch the documentary or pickup a bible/Koran or any other religios
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01-11-2008, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Vick!

Do you know how Christianity and western world was 600 years ago? You'd be ashamed to know what your ancestors were doing back then. Never forget Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity.

Why do people always bring up what happened hundreds of years ago? I fucking live in the present and anyone who doesn't think there is a problem with the way tens of millions of Muslims(there are over one billion total) interpret their religion in the here and now have their heads stuck in the sand.

Why would I be ashamed of my ancestors? Thats the way the world was. People need to stop looking at history with their 21st century rose coloured glasses on.

A few examples of how it used to be

- For the Massagetan people, when someone got very old, relatives sacrificially killed him, then put the body in a stewpot with other meat for a ceremonial meal.

- When Babylon was under siege by the Persians, 50,000 females were strangled so there would be fewer mouths to feed during the siege.

- When a bridge he had built across the Hellespont was destroyed by a storm, in the campaign against the Greeks to avenge the battle of Marathon, Xerxes, "punished" the water with 300 lashes, and beheaded all those involved in building the bridge.

- In his campaign against the Scythians (Ukraine), Darius routinely had the losers in every battle killed.

- When the Spartans held Thermopylae, it was understood that no soldier should survive a losing battle. Those who did were ostracized or committed suicide.

- With three sons in Darius' army, one Oebazus asked Darius if one of the sons could stay behind so his genealogical line would not be destroyed. Darius courteously replied that all three sons could stay behind -- and cut the throats of all three.

- Panionus made a living by buying young boys, castrating them and selling them as slaves. He was befriended by a high-ranking eunuch who castrated his four sons -- then had the sons castrate their dad.

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01-11-2008, 08:34 AM

Here is another must watch documentary about radical Islam:

Obsession - Radical Islam's War Against the West

Notice how it's not about Islam as a whole but about radical Islam. It uses media clips and video from the radicals themselves. It also interviews several muslims and ex-muslims who have recognized the problem and are speaking out.

This one is real eye-opener and if you don't think it is you must have your head planted firmly in the sand.
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01-11-2008, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

Watch the documentary or pickup a bible/Koran or any other religios
book or prophecy....

I've watched lots. You made the statement without examples, so the onus of proof is on you.

I'll make it easier for you, what I'm very interested to know if exists is a statement in the bible along the lines of "It's morally alright with our religion to deceive those of another" .. Yes, I know the only path to 'heaven' is aparently through christ - but that doesn't mean your allowed to fuck over non christians in the eyes of god.

In terms of this "documentary", is the children killed ratio still 9:1 (palestinian:israeli) ? .. from here it looks like rich white fucking over poor brown

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01-11-2008, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by yys

A few examples of how it used to be

where do you think

- Going unprovoked into a country and killing 1,000,000 civilians

would go on that list ?
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01-11-2008, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by xroach

I've watched lots. You made the statement without examples, so the onus of proof is on you.

I'll make it easier for you, what I'm very interested to know if exists is a statement in the bible along the lines of "It's morally alright with our religion to deceive those of another" .. Yes, I know the only path to 'heaven' is aparently through christ - but that doesn't mean your allowed to fuck over non christians in the eyes of god.

In terms of this "documentary", is the children killed ratio still 900:1 (palestinian:israeli) ? .. from here it looks like rich white fucking over poor brown

Are you kidding me? You know how many people got killed, burned, tortured
into submission to Christianity? The Bible contains non peaceful passages
they may not be written as blatant as in the Koran but the bible has many
stories about warriors

You'd think all Christian leaders made all that up before they went on their
crusades to convert the world into Christianity? I think history has very
clear examples of this...without having to quote the bible literally

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01-11-2008, 08:42 AM

Also the bible has been revised and rewritten numerous times unlike the Koran.
Todays version is quite different than earlier versions.

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01-11-2008, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by xroach

where do you think

- Going unprovoked into a country and killing 1,000,000 civilians

would go on that list ?

Not quite sure what event in history you are referring too?
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01-11-2008, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

Are you kidding me? You know how many people got killed, burned, tortured
into submission to Christianity? The Bible contains non peaceful passages
they may not be written as blatant as in the Koran but the bible has many
stories about warriors

You'd think all Christian leaders made all that up before they went on their
crusades to convert the world into Christianity? I think history has very
clear examples of this...without having to quote the bible literally

I've never debated any of that. Retarded fucks have always come into power and used religion to control.

You're still not providing that which you've stated existed though. A passage in Christianities doctrine morally allowing deception of those of another religion.
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01-11-2008, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by xroach

I've never debated any of that. Retarded fucks have always come into power and used religion to control.

You're still not providing that which you've stated existed though. A passage in Christianities doctrine morally allowing deception of those of another religion.

I didn't say and neither does the Koran....except for non believers of the
Islamic Prophecy. Christianity does the same....non believers burn eternaly
into the fires of hell.......

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01-11-2008, 08:48 AM

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01-11-2008, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by yys

Not quite sure what event in history you are referring too?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6045112.stm

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01-11-2008, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by ServerGenius

I didn't say

how fucking short is your attention span ?

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Excuse me ladies...time to get some work done....watch the vids I'll come
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01-11-2008, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by xroach

how fucking short is your attention span ?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...85&postcount=9

uh huh

I see how you could have misinterpreted my reply I wasn't very clear with
what I exactly meant which is that every religion has non peaceful verses

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01-11-2008, 09:01 AM

I hate religion, its the tool for big and small leaders to get blind support from the religious sheep.
Religion is an evil disease, it's getting rammed into the brains of people since their birth by their own brainwashed parents, every single generation. It's the most powerful and sick form of propaganda without the people noticing it themselfs while they pass it on to their kids. They're blind and there is no argueing with them about doubting their religion.
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01-11-2008, 09:02 AM

Ok here's one to show you I'm not bailing out due to lack of an example.

Consider Second Chronicles 20:24. The writer shows us a landscape strewn with corpses. From a watchtower in the wilderness we see, with Judah, that the inhabitants of Seir have been utterly destroyed. Thousands of dead bodies have fallen to the earth. None escaped. This is but one of myriad biblical events that fulfill the Psalmist's joyous hope of the day when his people's feet will be dipped in the blood of their enemies. Blood, as Zephaniah says, that will pour out like dust (Zeph. 1:17). Blood, as the Psalmist says, that the dogs will lap up (Ps. 68:23).

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01-11-2008, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by xroach

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6045112.stm

Thats a lot of death but my point was the world used to be a much more brutal and unforgiving place then it is today. If you think the war in Iraqi has been deadly for Iraqi civilians image what it would have been like 2,000 years ago. I dare say there would not be a single Iraqi male of fighting age left within their borders.
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