Why doesn't some Aikido master just come in and clean up in the UFC?

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  • hateman
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    • Jul 2003
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    #1

    Why doesn't some Aikido master just come in and clean up in the UFC?

    Makes sense doesn't it?
  • polish_aristocrat
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    #2
    I don't use ICQ anymore.

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    • TheSenator
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      #3


      I have been working with Steven on his ground game to tighten it up a bit. Steven is pretty tough when some comes to close contact and wrist control.

      Steven should be ready in about 5 months to make his UFC debut.
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      • notoldschool
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        #4
        Originally posted by hateman
        Makes sense doesn't it?
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        • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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          #5
          because aikido is nothing more than a japanese stage performance...

          /thread

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          • bushwacker
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            #6
            Originally posted by hateman
            Makes sense doesn't it?

            Let's get that dude in your sig. mofo looks like he would enjoy beating on people.

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            • L-Pink
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              #7
              WTF? Steve is beating the shit out of izzz!

              Originally posted by TheSenator

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              • flashfire
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                #8
                "come at me like this"

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                • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by bushwacker
                  Let's get that dude in your sig. mofo looks like he would enjoy beating on people.
                  techno viking is a lover not a fighter

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                  • Brother Bilo
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                    #10
                    It's like every other martial art. It looks really cool, but it doesn't work for shit in real life. Unless someone falls right into the "trap", they'll end up getting their asses stomped.

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                    • msan
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                      #11
                      Plus you have to use the enemy's momentum against him. You can't do offensive moves. You can't go defending yourself all time.
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                      • goldmine
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                        #12
                        ive heard that aikido is not for sport, because the goal of that martial art is to break bones, necks, or fatally injure opponents. That is why aikido is not part of olympics unlike karate, judo, and taekwondo.








                        tho i love to see it in UFC as well lol

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                        • Gman.357
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                          #13
                          A lot of people don't know this, but Bruce Lee was one of the first true MMA practitioners and advocates. He believed in taking techniques from various forms of martial arts, using what worked, and throwing the rest away.

                          Segal is a martial artist, but what you see in his movies, etc, would not work in a real MMA situation. Unless he was able to bring weapons into the cage..

                          Ouch.

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                          • Gman.357
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by goldmine
                            ive heard that aikido is not for sport, because the goal of that martial art is to break bones, necks, or fatally injure opponents. That is why aikido is not part of olympics unlike karate, judo, and taekwondo.

                            tho i love to see it in UFC as well lol
                            Aikido is basically a defensive art. The problem with it is that it lacks realistic combat situations when training the movies. In other words, they look good choreographed, or in specific rehearsed situations, but don't always work effectively under different kinds of combat situations. A strong wrestler or JuJitsu guy would give any Aikido guy a real hard time.

                            Ouch.

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                            • SayWhut
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Gman.357
                              A lot of people don't know this, but Bruce Lee was one of the first true MMA practitioners and advocates.

                              Yeah no shit. He started off with Wing Chun and progressed into MMA.


                              I'm surprised Wing Chun isn't used in UFC ... would make things interesting also

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                              • Gman.357
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by SayWhut
                                Yeah no shit. He started off with Wing Chun and progressed into MMA.


                                I'm surprised Wing Chun isn't used in UFC ... would make things interesting also
                                Bruce was pretty amazing at a bunch of different styles. He practiced western boxing, and was so good at it, that he entered an amateur boxing tournament in the 50's, and won 4 bouts by KO, including one against 3-time amateur champ, Gary Elms.

                                Bruce felt that Wing Chun, along with many other Eastern arts, didn't focus enough on conditioning the body. That's why he started looking at western combat techniques too.

                                Ouch.

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                                • mattyboy
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                                  #17

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                                  • Shaze
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                                    #18
                                    i took aikido for about 3 years and trust me that stuff won't work in UFC. the best Aikido master would get destroyed in the UFC
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                                    • Nicky
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Shaze
                                      i took aikido for about 3 years and trust me that stuff won't work in UFC. the best Aikido master would get destroyed in the UFC
                                      I don't think there is any doubt about that

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                                      • Nicky
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                                        #20
                                        Oh by the way, couldn't resist posting this ^^ http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bxb0PCBV0vk

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                                        • hateman
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Shaze
                                          i took aikido for about 3 years and trust me that stuff won't work in UFC. the best Aikido master would get destroyed in the UFC
                                          did it take you 3 years to realize that?

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                                          • Holly
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Gman.357
                                            Segal is a martial artist, but what you see in his movies, etc, would not work in a real MMA situation. Unless he was able to bring weapons into the cage..
                                            Steven Segal couldn't fit in the cage.
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                                            • dav3
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by flashfire
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                                              • evildick

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                Actually that is Rob Halford and they are about to have gay sex.

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                                                • Shaze
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by hateman
                                                  did it take you 3 years to realize that?
                                                  and you were the "know it all" in the days before the UFC??? Aikido does have it's place in society, law enforcement such as police train in Aikido and it is great for restraining people, it's not just for the UFC.
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                                                  • evildick

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Nicky
                                                    Oh by the way, couldn't resist posting this ^^ http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bxb0PCBV0vk
                                                    I love that video. Wish there was some more back story to this. Just seems too unreal.

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                                                    • Anthony
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                                                      • Feb 2001
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Shaze
                                                      and you were the "know it all" in the days before the UFC??? Aikido does have it's place in society, law enforcement such as police train in Aikido and it is great for restraining people, it's not just for the UFC.
                                                      Tomiki maybe, not Hombu Aikikai, which has no Randori to speak of.

                                                      Aikido is usless in the real world against a fully resisting opponent. It took me 2 years to see the light. Years later, when starting to train with Rener Gracie, I was asked to mount and keep it. I thought me at 270lbs, and Rener at 190, it would be a cake walk. It was an eye opener. Aikido is pussified Judo, where your training partner falls for your throws. Aikido guys actually take great pride in being able to fall pretty.

                                                      Bald old guy, Aikido Master, Guy in shorts, MMA fighter.

                                                      http://youtube.com/watch?v=bxb0PCBV0vk&feature=related

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                                                      • notoldschool
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by mattyboy
                                                        Keith Jardine?
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                                                        • Anthony
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by evildick
                                                          I love that video. Wish there was some more back story to this. Just seems too unreal.
                                                          I reposted that same video.

                                                          Back story on it.

                                                          Aikido master put out a challenge for $5000.00 that his Aikido could beat any MMA fighter. There's video on youtube of this aikido master fighting his students knocking them out and throwing them around without touching them, kinda like Dim Mak.

                                                          Anyways, the MMA figther takes up the challenge. You can actually see even in that shitty clip, the Aikido master is shocked he got punched in the face. It's hilarious.

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                                                          • J. Falcon
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Brother Bilo
                                                            It's like every other martial art. It looks really cool, but it doesn't work for shit in real life. Unless someone falls right into the "trap", they'll end up getting their asses stomped.
                                                            Thats bullshit. It works perfectly fine in real life, the thing is Aikido is not used for competition.
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                                                            • Anthony
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                              Keith Jardine?
                                                              When this video came out, it was a big buzz on the MMA boards because it looks like Keith Jardine.

                                                              Sokojudo came out with the Predator Mask, due to MMA.TV posting about it. There is another online petition/thread for Keith Jardine to come out to Techno Viking. So far, it's a no.

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                                                              • Anthony
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by J. Falcon
                                                                Thats bullshit. It works perfectly fine in real life, the thing is Aikido is not used for competition.
                                                                Sure it does, against a non resisting opponent. Ie. standing around minding their own business and then clothes lined out of the blue by some jackass in a hakama doing irimi nage.

                                                                I have 2 years of Aikido. It doesnt' work in the real world against a resisting opponent.

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                                                                • Gman.357
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by J. Falcon
                                                                  Thats bullshit. It works perfectly fine in real life, the thing is Aikido is not used for competition.
                                                                  you sure?

                                                                  http://www.tomiki.org/rules.html

                                                                  Ouch.

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                                                                  • Anthony
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Gman.357
                                                                    Yep, I made this point earlier about Tomiki Aikido. Probably the only one that can be used in a real life situation, because the train and fight with their techniques.

                                                                    Too bad Tomiki Dojos hardly exist anywhere in the USA.

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                                                                    • Anthony
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                                                                      • Feb 2001
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      This just blows my mind.

                                                                      http://youtube.com/watch?v=8L0dFcnux58

                                                                      Fakest Aikido bullshit ever.

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                                                                      • joeman1
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        you all have no clue what your talking about icq and i will enlighten you !

                                                                        yes wing chun has been used in ufc btw but the guy sucked and got owned.

                                                                        lastly, this thread is bs

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                                                                        • Gman.357
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          I think bottom line is that Aikido, by enlarge, matches up poorly against other grappling styles, especially when some technically sound striking is incorporated into the mix. Aikido is most effective against... Aikido.

                                                                          Ouch.

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                                                                          • Anthony
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by joeman1
                                                                            you all have no clue what your talking about icq and i will enlighten you !

                                                                            yes wing chun has been used in ufc btw but the guy sucked and got owned.

                                                                            lastly, this thread is bs
                                                                            Wing Chun is another martial art that does well against...

                                                                            Wing Chun.

                                                                            Two Wing CHung GRANDMASTERS Cheung and Boeztpe go at it in a real fucking street fight. It isn't fucking wing chun used, its' shitty kindergarten wrestling.

                                                                            http://youtube.com/watch?v=szdF1nIAfpk
                                                                            Last edited by Anthony; 01-10-2008, 06:27 AM.

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                                                                            • Shaze
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                              This just blows my mind.

                                                                              http://youtube.com/watch?v=8L0dFcnux58

                                                                              Fakest Aikido bullshit ever.
                                                                              what the fuck is that? that is the biggest bullshit i have ever seen. has any actually experienced Ki before where you feel shit when they don't even touch you? I don't think extending your Ki toward someone can ever be possible.
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                                                                              • camchoice
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                why aikido fighters?? i think k1 fighters will do very well in a cage. schemmy schild (3 times k1 champ) has no problems with mma.. he can clean it up there.
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                                                                                • hzoltan
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by goldmine
                                                                                  ive heard that aikido is not for sport, because the goal of that martial art is to break bones, necks, or fatally injure opponents. That is why aikido is not part of olympics unlike karate, judo, and taekwondo.
                                                                                  the goal of the traditional karate is the same: to destroy the enemy. And Brother Bilo: even if you think that aikido is a joke, I'd like to see how you fight with an aikido master (I'm not an aikido guy, just don't like when ppl say something stupid, without knowing it at all)
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                                                                                  • Shaze
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                                    Tomiki maybe, not Hombu Aikikai, which has no Randori to speak of.

                                                                                    Aikido is usless in the real world against a fully resisting opponent. It took me 2 years to see the light. Years later, when starting to train with Rener Gracie, I was asked to mount and keep it. I thought me at 270lbs, and Rener at 190, it would be a cake walk. It was an eye opener. Aikido is pussified Judo, where your training partner falls for your throws. Aikido guys actually take great pride in being able to fall pretty.

                                                                                    Bald old guy, Aikido Master, Guy in shorts, MMA fighter.

                                                                                    http://youtube.com/watch?v=bxb0PCBV0vk&feature=related
                                                                                    i actually agree with what your saying. another thing is that Aikido's moves are way to complicated that they cannot be done in a fight like it's second nature.
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                                                                                    • WarChild
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by hzoltan
                                                                                      the goal of the traditional karate is the same: to destroy the enemy. And Brother Bilo: even if you think that aikido is a joke, I'd like to see how you fight with an aikido master (I'm not an aikido guy, just don't like when ppl say something stupid, without knowing it at all)
                                                                                      Aikido is for the most part a fucking joke. Find an Aikido master in Vancouver, have him come down to my club and I'll gladly fight him.
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                                                                                      • LeRoy
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Ok now. Let me tell you that UFC is full of a bunch of wannabes. The true Moo Do is not UFC. That is why "True Moo Do Masters" do not bother with these ridiculous events made purely for financial gain.

                                                                                        I have trained under true Moo Do Master for 3 years. Let me tell you these UFC guys dont stand 2 second with a True Moo Do master. I am not sayin that my 1st degree Black will hold up in the octagon with Royce Gracie. but....

                                                                                        I have seen some gnarly shit with "my" own eyes. Crazy shit man crazy shit.

                                                                                        Now everytime I see UFC . I kinda laugh. It's the new WWF. We need a guy like King to promote it . That would be great.
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                                                                                        • Shaze
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by camchoice
                                                                                          why aikido fighters?? i think k1 fighters will do very well in a cage. schemmy schild (3 times k1 champ) has no problems with mma.. he can clean it up there.
                                                                                          i guess because Aikido has never been tested in the octagon because Aikido has rules against using it in competition, suppose to be harmony, defense, defending one's sell without hurting the opponent as much as possible, and all that other sweet stuff...
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                                                                                          • Anthony
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Shaze
                                                                                            i actually agree with what your saying. another thing is that Aikido's moves are way to complicated that they cannot be done in a fight like it's second nature.
                                                                                            Very True Shaze.

                                                                                            Fighting is all about large muscles or Gross Motor Skills. Fine Motor skills go out the window when Adrenal Dump starts.

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                                                                                            • WarChild
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by D2222
                                                                                              Ok now. Let me tell you that UFC is full of a bunch of wannabes. The true Moo Do is not UFC. That is why "True Moo Do Masters" do not bother with these ridiculous events made purely for financial gain.

                                                                                              I have trained under true Moo Do Master for 3 years. Let me tell you these UFC guys dont stand 2 second with a True Moo Do master. I am not sayin that my 1st degree Black will hold up in the octagon with Royce Gracie. but....

                                                                                              I have seen some gnarly shit with "my" own eyes. Crazy shit man crazy shit.

                                                                                              Now everytime I see UFC . I kinda laugh. It's the new WWF. We need a guy like King to promote it . That would be great.

                                                                                              Moo Do? Lol.
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                                                                                              • Gman.357
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by D2222
                                                                                                I have trained under true Moo Do Master for 3 years. Let me tell you these UFC guys dont stand 2 second with a True Moo Do master. I am not sayin that my 1st degree Black will hold up in the octagon with Royce Gracie. but....
                                                                                                .
                                                                                                Isn't Moo Do, which translates to "martial art", just a philosophical part of Tae Kwon Do (Karate)? In other words, you have a 1st degree black belt in TKD?

                                                                                                Ouch.

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                                                                                                • WarChild
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Gman.357
                                                                                                  Isn't Moo Do, which translates to "martial art", just a philosophical part of Tae Kwon Do (Karate)? In other words, you have a 1st degree black belt in TKD?
                                                                                                  He might mean Dahn Moo Do

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                                                                                                  • dav3
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Is Drunken Fist more for show, or is it actually functional? It sure does look cool as hell.

                                                                                                    Anyone have any links to actual fights using it?
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