Obama will be Hillary's VP. All the guy needs is 10 minutes of TV time to deliver a speech that heals all wounds, and supporters on both sides walk away believing he is into it. Hillary can't do that if Obama gets the nomination.

The racist bigot pigs of the south will not vote for either of them, but the fact is that such a ticket does not need to pull Republican voters. They will energize the Democrat base and also grab the majority of independents.

The Republicans are in shambles. There are a half dozen guys who could get the nomination and not one or two or even three of them is a front runner nationally. It is wide open because Republicans can't agree on what they want. That sort of voter fragmentation is going to crush a lot of spirits when their guy is sent packing. I don't see the Republican base coming together and giving full support to the eventual nominee.

Hillary would NEVER accept the VP role under anyone. God some of you people are fucking stupid.

Obama=LOSER. Get of fhis black cock already. Even if he wins he loses in 2012. President Jeb Bush anyone? Yuck! Some of you fail to see the forrest for the trees.

Do you know how presidential elections work? If they can't win the south they aren't winning anything. The dems need at least one red state to win in 2008 which one is that with Obama/Clinton?

a valid point and i hope you are correct:

http://hillarynutcracker.com/completelynuts.html


and that gives hope for the power ticket:
obama/edwards or edwards/obama (i'll take it either way)

Dammit GatorB

Just when we were having an intelligent conversation on a topic here comes the fucktard gatorb throwing his ridiculous rhetoric around

Get a life old man

I mean seriously? every time you bring your ignorance into a thread, the thread is then ruined. You are not capable of intelligent conversation so why do you even involve yourself in our debates

Go kill yourself dude

You are not welcome here

Kerry came within 5% of Bush in Florida. Seeing as how the Republican nominee is unlikely to be as far right as Bush, this creates the likelihood that a ticket with Obama on it is enough to close the 5% gap since he cancels out a some of Hillary's polarizing effect. And don't forget that Bill Clinton took Florida in 1996.

Last time I checked that means he LOST. The loser gets ZERO electoral votes. It doesn't mater how close he is. Also you'd think with all the anger over the 2000 election Kerry would have WON Florida not lose by 300,000 votes.

Clinton took Florida because there was a 3rd party candidate running that took votes from Dole. Dole lost by 6.7% and Perot got 9.12%

Florida has a republican governor. The state legislator is run by republicans most of the representatives in Congress are republican as well as 1 of their 2 Senators.

Where is the intelligent conversation. All I see is a bunch of kids who think they now everything that don't know shit.

I post where i god damn well please. You aren't a mod so fuck off. Just because you want to suck Obama cock and don't get how elections work doesn't mean you have to be an asshole.

I see you failed to answer my question which red states does Obama/Hillary win?

elections for dummies

Ok Gore won all the states Kerry won except NH and Kerry won all the states Gore won except NM and Iowa. Now let's say that ANY combination of democrats would win all those states excpet for NM, Iowa and NH. That's 248 electoral votes.

Now let's say Hillary/Obama somehow also wins NM, Iowa and NH that's 264. that's still 6 electoral votes shy of winning.

Now we know Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, N Dakota, S Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska are not voting democrat. Some of you here are willing to write off the south too. So that eliminates W Virginia, Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, N Carolina, S Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas. Also Oklahoma and Texas aren't voting dem either.

Ok so which red state does that leave? Well in the west there's Nevada, Arizona and Colorado. Nevada only has 5 electoral votes so even if they win that state they're still short. And if McCain wins the GOP nomination you can forget any of those 3 states.

So what's left. Indiana, Missouri( 11 ), Ohio( 20 ) and Florida( 27 ). Now Indiana always votes republican so forget that one. Now any one of the other 3 states can win the election provided the dems win NM( 5 ), NH( 4 ) and Iowa( 7 ). If the dems lose Iowa then or if they lose NM and NH, then Missouri won't matter. They'll still be short

If they lose all 3 then Ohio won't matter they'll still be short. So basically the Dems need to win Florida to guarantee the election and that's a pretty big fucking bet to make to hedge the election on ONE fucking state. Common sense would dictate spreading the risk around.

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Are you being sarcastic or just stupid?

please explain how they win those states?

As I said if McCain is the nominee the Hillary/Obamma aren't winning NV or CO.
Indiana, North Dakota and S Dakota haven't voted for a democratic candidate since 1964. That's 4 years before even I was born.

I'll be honest, I hope Hillabama wins and Edwards becomes the free health care czar. You can take all of these clowns running and not find a major difference. None give a shit about the "common folk" or doing anything decent for this country. They are just rich, bored people with fucked up lives trying to fuck up everyone elses. Money without power sucks.

ron paul 2008

Obama could make his case against Hillary by saying that even with all her 'experience' and his 'inexperience' she was in favor of the war while he was always opposed to it. Now she's against it, too. He could say that experience doesn't necessarily give somebody vision, or that it's an example of her putting aside principle for political expediancy (because she's part of the 'old club'). It'd be a strong argument; there'd be an extra trillion dollars in US coffers and 4,000 US lives saved, 10's of thousands of wounded troops would never have suffered those wounds (not to mention the 10's of thousands of wounded and dead Iraq civilians).

But like others have said, I have doubts as to whether he or Hillary stand a chance given the voting record of some states.

If it's McCain versus Hillary, I will vote for a republican for president for the first time in my life.

If it's anyone else versus Hillary, I'll probably end up casting a protest vote to some third party (green, libertarian, etc)

Something to think about though, if Hillary is the dems nominee, I think that's Bloomberg's cue to get into the race, and that will change everything.