That's just amazing...

Don't doubt it one bit. I used to make great money with Kara's and Teen Steam back in the 1900's. I'm sure it was $42 a sale back then...or was that with the very easy to hit bonus?

Kara's just had a birthday and is still one of our top converting sites. Still a lot of money in her yet.

I did and I did some math too.....let's say 10 years that's 50 million dollars
paid out a year which means that of affiliate ONLY sales 1 Billion dollars in total
at least, which is 100 Million dollars affiliate ONLY revenue every year for 10
years long........and you expect me to believe that......yeah right....try again. :1orglaugh

Since it's no secret anyway why not post screenshots of the actual numbers
which you have......coz else you wouldn't be able to come with these numbers.....go ahead suprise me :winkwink:

Did you ever consider remedial Math ?

:1orglaugh I'm making an example and no actual calculations.....which isn't
needed to make my point besides as the numbers are speculative so an
accurate calculation wouldn't be possible anyway.....but I guess you get
my point and if you don't.....perhaps you should be the one considering taking
the remedial Math...:thumbsup

Just wondering how you figure out to pay 50 million 100 million in revenue is required

you are wrong

heya Aly :smilie_we

It would require revenue of $50M+ to pay out $50M to affiliates unless they are doing a 10 year+ loss leader. Even if the average is $50M/year paid out, I'm sure most happened in those 'golden' years. They probably had early years when they were paying out 100-200M/year.

I never made any sale with you guy.

Final i found you are the number 1 NOT make money from greenguy october stats.

Don't just spam the board with BS.

Hey Rich ! : )) Hope you are doing well out there !

Remedial English too...so, you are saying one person apparently doesn't earn from us so apparently all the people that know we are telling the truth (PK for example) must be making it up too.

I have made my fair share with Maxcash over the years and like many long time posters around here Maxcash was one of my first sponsors.

Keep it up Maxcash, can't wait to see what is to come.

They're not one person. They have big network.

Their stats list included 52 pps only sponsors and you're the #1 bad ...

so you're saying they're paying affliates 100% of what they bring in?
In the golden years revshare was 30% affliate 70% program. Programs
were able to do a lot of own traffic they depended less on affiliates
billing rates were higher....bandwidth and hardware too. Anyone who
seriously believes there's a lot of programs that do $100 or close to that
after expenses before or after tax probably also believes in fairy tales.

Yes there's programs who did extremely well and a LOT who did very well
including MaxCash I don't doubt for a second.....but seriously these kind
of numbers are just unrealistic for almost every company if not every.

I don't want to sound envious or like I don't want this to be true as honestly
I really would be nothing but pleasantly suprised if anyone could be so
successful....I wish MaxCash would really have made this.....but apart from
that I find it just too hard to believe.

No doubt MaxCash was amongst the most successful programs back in the
day, not THE most successful but defenitely in the top 50 at that time
but that's not enough to make me believe these kind of numbers. And any
really successful program owner I doubt they'll dissagree.

The Golden Years were really good times I don't dissagree but come on doing
on average in all the years at least 100 Million dollars in gross revenue a year
is something they only dream about........I'd be happy to get proven wrong
I honestly do.....and since they apperently don't keep it a secret because
they're happy enough to announce they shouldn't have a problem to show
some stats or other black on white statement that would back up the
numbers they're so proud and happy to announce to us publically.......

I'd love to see I'm wrong......It would really make my day when I have to
apologize and publically admit I was totally wrong.........but without anything
to back it up......I'll stick to my opinion which is.......Nice try but too nice
for me to believe to be true..........please prove me wrong...I'd love to
see you're not bluffing..... :thumbsup

Wow congrats that is a lot of monies. :thumbsup

again I have no doubt MaxCash did very well over all the years they've been around....especially in the early days..the last few years they're still ok but not
quite as good as they have been before.....the last 2 years they seem to have
picked up some momentum again....but before that they had a period where
they were slowed down a bit......but even then I'm quite sure they still made
money and ran a very healthy organisation.......it's just that these crazy
numbers that got mentioned seem just a little too much to accomplish.

They didn't do 100 million the first year and even if they did doing that for 10 or 12 years straight....I highly doubt it......if it were true I'd never reveal it
to annyone every........with those or even 25% of those numbers what the
hell do you have to prove? What benefit does it have to make such news
public? If it does anything chances are that the effect would be negative are
much more likely than that you would gain something from it......but again
I'd love to see that I'm totaly wrong.......though I'm quite sure they won't
be willing to show us......I wouldn't either if it was me :1orglaugh

Really?

I think not.

The math is relatively simple, but let's be conservative anyway ....

Let's say an average payout over the years (including bonuses, special deals and affiliate prizes and such) = $40 per join. In reality it probably works out higher than that anyway IMHO.

$500M affiliate payouts = 12 500 000 joins

1996 - 2006 (they say the $500M was reached over a year ago) = 11 years

That means:
1 136 363 joins per year
94 696 joins per month
3113 joins per day

Now that is AVERAGE for those 11 years, using that conservative estimate.

Back in the day, I KNOW the General's SexHit program was doing 8000+ joins per day AVERAGE, and MaxCash pre-dates them, and has far outlived them. I know other programs at times in the boom days for which a 10k join day was not an altogether uncommon event.

Old skoolers KNOW the numbers of the 90's and early 00's.

I have heard numbers from the mid 90's, the real early days, and they are simply mind boggling, even to someone who has been around since the late 90's.

I STILL get joins and here and there from MaxCash links in stuff I have done nothing on for 3+ years (except update link codes from time to time with search and replace). At peak promoting them 6-7 years ago (and they were never a primary sponsor for me) I was doing 5-10 joins per day with them, for quite a long time (2-3 years if not longer) and I was small fry.

Since 1996 they MUST have easily surpassed 30k or more affiliates that have sent them traffic at one time or another. That number may be way low even.

If 30k of affiliates each sent 40 joins per year average that also adds up.

I know NUMEROUS people who as affiliates who were easily sending 500+ joins per day to a program individually up until 2-3 years ago. Some still do, though not as many. But yet again there are many more 25-100 join per day affiliates these days than back then.

Congrats MaxCash. Onwards and upwards.

:thumbsup

maxcash was the first program i made a sale with.. i just couldnt believe it when after some hits the stats said "$27.50". This was almost 10 years ago...

I believe it was for Karasxxx playground or something..

I do know the numbers of some of bigger companies from back in the day
I worked in those years for 2 of them, 1 private.com ok they're small on
internet and nowhere near some other big internet guys.....payserve or
back then primarily clubseventeen....perhaps not comparable to maxcash
in those days too.....but not that much less with the kinda of numbers
mentioned......you mention a few things that today are extra revenue options
that I have left out in my previous replies.....however back in the golden
years not all those options were available......and neither were prices and
payout rates as they are today........

Traffic volume was less too just as the amount of people with decent
internet access.....ok of course conversions and retention was a hell of
a lot better than now and profit margins as well but to get to these kind
of numbers....really seems a tat too much of what's realistic....but again
I truly hope that I'm wrong as I honestly have no problem what so ever
if indeed they made what they claim.........I'd be even ecstatic if it was
even double or triple of this.....nothing but kudos for them if they did.

The only thing I'm saying that I find it too hard to just believe to be true
just because they say so.......and that has nothing to do whether I wouldn't
be happy for anyone including them if they did.............

so you may dissagree with my opinion but don't imply with that as if I wouldn't accept or have admiration and respect for them in case they did....actually
I already admire and respect them for the time they've been around and the
way they were able todo so........I know they're amongst the quite select
few programs who've made it as far as they did..........

I'd just be happily shocked if these numbers really are true.....coz then they'd
done even a whole lot better as I thought they did........so it would only
impress and be excited with joy for them even more than I already do.....:thumbsup

I hope it's now clear......Me....Thinks....MaxCash.....Good!...... .Me......no....
have........cheap.....short.....reason........not. ......too......


I'd sign right now and settle for 1% of that......send contract to.....
[email protected] :helpme

ServerGenius, I was stating a fact, not an opinion...

you are wrong

don't know what else to tell ya

MaxCash is fuckin oldschool :)
The brothers still behind it?

$40 per join back in those days is a bit high I'd say.....those days everything was revshare.....pps and credit on cross-sales didn't exist. Upsales were very
rare as well, all tracking was cookie based and life time cookie expiration was
something nobody ever thought of or even question that wouldn't be more
than fair. Those were also the days that affiliates and stats reporting was
a case of good trust and the old skoolers know that the defnition of what's
fair was quite bendable.....I'm not saying MaxCash maybe wasn't always
100% fair too but given the fact the really old skool guys were AudioText
guys with some really creative ways of maximising their share of the sales
is a very polite and gentle way to say it....the examples of that are plenty
just like the billing processors were, Every old skooler remembers the names
like R J Gorden Telecom and DMR billing......The Real big sites those days
that I quickly remember were BabylonX Pornification, Smutworld or Smutland

Oh and let's not forget those were also the days of $500 per Mbps bandwidth
allthough video less was needed due to lack of things like live feeds and
streaming video.

Python was also around and doing well those days.....and of course old
sneaky serge and his crew......in fact this was still the phase were Serge
was getting his education if I remember correct No Offense meant Serge
ya lublu bas gracywa matrushka ;-), Jishay (spelling) and a another few of
their friends which names don't popup in my head right away.....you know who.....ok......now I lost where I was going......so this would be a good
time to stop.......:thumbsup

Well how about backing up what you call a fact. Just saying it's a fact
doesn't really make believe you.......but I'd like you to proof me wrong
I'm looking forward to what you have to back it up.......so please don't
dissapoint me now

shit how could I forget to mention Ron Levi......that would be disrespectful....
sorry Ron

I see your points and all I was saying is that it is POSSIBLE.

Higher payouts on private deals have been around a LONG time.

2c

I was employed there from 2000 thru 2004

And I do know matter of fact you are wrong

Accept what I know or don't, no matter

maxcash is one of the companies that is directly responsible for so much mistrust people have in adult websites. I know allot of people here were not running sites back in 1999 and others have forgotten.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/2000/10/rjbtelcomcomplaint.htm

MaxCash used a dialler back in the 90's. Everyone used a dialler back in the 90's it was standard. :2 cents:

No it wasn't, not everyone used dialers, honest programs knew they were bad and did not touch them. But dialers was not the only complaint by the FTC.

Most did.... enough to call it standard in fact :)

It was 99 and larger companies where held up re chargebacks - we have %'s that we have to adhere to now - then it was the quantity, big players where being hit all over the place.

And we are #1 GOOD for many others...your point?

In the top 50 in those days? Um go a bit higher.

Indeed they are :)

A LOT higher :)

Ab Male was my first non AVS sign up....

Its funny now that I am overseeing the redevelopment of the same site.

I've been with MC since 1998 - been in the industry since 1996....I've seen a lot of stuff go on...including MC paying out webmasters half a billion. The number is not misrepresented. And as Rich so eloquently puts it, if you don't accept what I know, no matter.

Venus - you couldn't be more wrong. After a full investigation, we were cleared and that just brought about more respect and trust from the webmaster community. Not many companies could go through scrutiny like that and come out of it in tact.

Paparazzi - absolutely, they are here : )

But back to Damian's point here : )) ..... you want in on some of the payouts, then sign up. FLM's are going like hotcakes and we have much great stuff coming out in 2008 ! Make more money. Period.

Well I got my links up to your gay sites last night (thanks for helping me Sarah!). I really hope you work out for me, its a nice model.

Wow, it seems like it would have been quite a ride to have been in the industry in the nineties. What's amazing about the Internet and affiliate marketing is that it's barely over a decade old! Plenty of opportunity.

$500 million easy, I have made millions alone from them over the years and sure I am hardly in the top 20.

But Brad you must by lying. ;)

Server Genious you're wrong. Maxcash was faaaaaaaar bigger than private and clubseventeen online. Back in the early years (96-2000) anywhere you looked you saw Maxcash sites. Every traffic source out there was advertising Maxcash sites. EVERYONE.

Private was nothing more than video feeds leased inside members areas.
Clubseventeen was ONE single teen paysite. There mainstream counterparts may have been big, but they were small fish online in the big picture. Those companies were no were promoted to the same extent as Maxcash sites.

Server Genious, you're basing your opinion on what you saw at 2 companies that you "believe" were at the top of the game back then...what you don't realize is that they were small compared to the competition.

Enough of my rant. Maxcash Rocks! Hey Aly :thumbsup

i believe it, they have been around longer than any other program i think. i dont promote them now, but back when i first started they were pretty much the only guys to promote, that was probably 10 or 12 years ago.

maxcash bought me my first car when i was 16 or 17.

Exactly. Anyone remember the accepted Alexa of the day way back when..I forget the name? In 97-99 it was an all out battle between KarasXXX and CyberErotica for the largest adult site and not much else was even close in the running. The numbers were staggering..and like today, the graphs from that site were posted pretty often..

Karas is still big - but in those days you could actually talk about those 2 sites getting a large % of the traffic on the whole internet....

Crazy days...

I didn't base my opinions on the 2 companies I worked before.....
500 Millions affiliate payout is just too much to believe until I see it :thumbsup

I am pretty sure we could burn through a few servers trying pull those stats :)

Why you have those stats already...no need to pull anything...:winkwink:

lol I'll quit replying in this thread.....by saying that at least the half a billion statement is clever marketing :thumbsup

Without a doubt it will bring them closer to their claim :1orglaugh