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  • sortie
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2007
    • 7771
    #1

    Build pay sites or AVS sites?

    I have some content and I can either build my own pay sites or use one of the major AVS programs.

    What is the advantage of AVS?

    Consider that I wouldn't get a lot of affilates to push the paysites because it wouldn't match up to the sponsor programs out there. I would be the only one sending traffic to the pay sites.

    Thanks
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    • baddog
      So Fucking Banned
      • Apr 2001
      • 107089
      #2
      Use AVS to learn things like marketing and traffic generation. After you have that down you can move on to pay sites and use those AVS sites to send traffic to them.

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        • sortie
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2007
          • 7771
          #3
          Originally posted by baddog
          Use AVS to learn things like marketing and traffic generation. After you have that down you can move on to pay sites and use those AVS sites to send traffic to them.
          I already have free sites to send traffic and learning can be done with either type site. It doesn't cost me a dime more to have the paysite versus the AVS so it's not like I will lose money just because it's a pay site.

          If there is no other advantage to AVS than learing some marketing then it's smarter to just make the pay sites.

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            • RayVega
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2004
              • 4212
              #4
              Originally posted by baddog
              Use AVS to learn things like marketing and traffic generation. After you have that down you can move on to pay sites and use those AVS sites to send traffic to them.
              good advice. I'd say exactly the same.
              Ray "The Don" Vega

              Managing Director
              Private Equity Fund

              [email protected]

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                • baddog
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Apr 2001
                  • 107089
                  #5
                  Originally posted by sortie
                  It doesn't cost me a dime more to have the paysite versus the AVS so it's not like I will lose money just because it's a pay site.
                  Not exactly accurate, but I don't feel like arguing with you.

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                    • sortie
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 7771
                      #6
                      Originally posted by baddog
                      Not exactly accurate, but I don't feel like arguing with you.
                      How does it cost me more? I already have software and billing.

                      I'm not going to do updates, It's a one time sign up; no rebill.

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                        • sortie
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 7771
                          #7
                          Originally posted by baddog
                          Not exactly accurate, but I don't feel like arguing with you.
                          PS: When the fuck did you not feel like arguing??

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                            • sortie
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 7771
                              #8
                              Originally posted by RayVega
                              good advice. I'd say exactly the same.
                              You're thinking about "big time" pay sites.

                              I'm thinking about small "home grown" sites.

                              Not big affilate program etc..

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                                • BV
                                  wtf
                                  • Sep 2001
                                  • 10914
                                  #9
                                  A premium AVS like ProAdult sounds like your best bet based on what I can tell from your particular situation. The retention will be much longer because of the massive amount of content your members will have access to.

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                                    • sortie
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2007
                                      • 7771
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by BV
                                      A premium AVS like ProAdult sounds like your best bet based on what I can tell from your particular situation. The retention will be much longer because of the massive amount of content your members will have access to.
                                      Ok, now that sounds like an advantage.

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                                        • xentech
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2006
                                          • 1405
                                          #11
                                          like he said its going to be a one time payout ... can't help you here though

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                                            • Barefootsies
                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 42635
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by baddog
                                              Not exactly accurate, but I don't feel like arguing with you.
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                                                • NetVerifier Rich
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Dec 2007
                                                  • 252
                                                  #13
                                                  You may want to check out our site http://NetVerifier.com/getpaid.asp

                                                  We have some of the best, if not the best payouts for an AVS. No holding 10%-15% like third party processors and no charge back or refund penalty's.

                                                  We pay you even if they refund! Your income can easily pass a stand alone paysite since retention is much improved when you combine the content you can offer with the massive amount of content we offer your members then had on to that the many other sites in the same Niche as your site for them to enjoy.

                                                  I see a lot of people think an avs is supposed to send them traffic but the TRUE and first intent of an AVS is to offer your members the best bang for there buck ! And keep the members! Sending traffic to another place as an upsell should be secondary thought.

                                                  Treat an AVS site as a real paysite and you will do better then the paysite by itself. What I mean by that is make a "real" site not feeder sites. Over our 13years doing an AVS program I have seen many webmasters change there site to a standalone site, to only change it back a couple months later.

                                                  Richard V.
                                                  http://NetVerifier.com
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                                                    • sortie
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Mar 2007
                                                      • 7771
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by NetVerifier Rich
                                                      You may want to check out our site http://NetVerifier.com/getpaid.asp

                                                      We have some of the best, if not the best payouts for an AVS. No holding 10%-15% like third party processors and no charge back or refund penalty's.

                                                      We pay you even if they refund! Your income can easily pass a stand alone paysite since retention is much improved when you combine the content you can offer with the massive amount of content we offer your members then had on to that the many other sites in the same Niche as your site for them to enjoy.

                                                      I see a lot of people think an avs is supposed to send them traffic but the TRUE and first intent of an AVS is to offer your members the best bang for there buck ! And keep the members! Sending traffic to another place as an upsell should be secondary thought.

                                                      Treat an AVS site as a real paysite and you will do better then the paysite by itself. What I mean by that is make a "real" site not feeder sites. Over our 13years doing an AVS program I have seen many webmasters change there site to a standalone site, to only change it back a couple months later.

                                                      Richard V.
                                                      http://NetVerifier.com
                                                      http://HandHeldPornSites.com
                                                      Solid post! I'll have to take a look at that for sure.

                                                      Thanks for the information.

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                                                        • Azoy?
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Aug 2005
                                                          • 2178
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                                          Not exactly accurate, but I don't feel like arguing with you.
                                                          ignore baddog.
                                                          he's to old and loosing his mind.
                                                          it's a known fact on this board that he's driving but no one is behind the wheel.

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                                                            • gideongallery
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                              • 7082
                                                              #16
                                                              are there any AVS that pay an override so that if other people send to your site you make money.

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                                                                • maxjohan
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                  • 7219
                                                                  #17
                                                                  I deff do the pay site.

                                                                  If you like to piss off people then you create a few AVS sites and cash your checks as nothing have ever happened.

                                                                  Reality is that most AVS's use upsells like mad and
                                                                  they get that 3-day trial for free without any clear
                                                                  information about them when they join.

                                                                  I had loved to see a the birth of a
                                                                  straight honest AVS site that doesn't
                                                                  depend on trickery.

                                                                  I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

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                                                                    • maxjohan
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                      • 7219
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                                      are there any AVS that pay an override so that if other people send to your site you make money.
                                                                      Pro adult used to.

                                                                      They are one of the better AVS's
                                                                      I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

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                                                                        • sortie
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Mar 2007
                                                                          • 7771
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by maxjohan
                                                                          I deff do the pay site.

                                                                          If you like to piss off people then you create a few AVS sites and cash your checks as nothing have ever happened.

                                                                          Reality is that most AVS's use upsells like mad and
                                                                          they get that 3-day trial for free without any clear
                                                                          information about them when they join.

                                                                          I had loved to see a the birth of a
                                                                          straight honest AVS site that doesn't
                                                                          depend on trickery.

                                                                          hmmmmmm? interesting.

                                                                          By "upsales" do you mean "hidden" trials to other sites that the surfer dosen't know he joined until the bill comes in?

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                                                                            • GhengisBong
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Feb 2007
                                                                              • 621
                                                                              #20
                                                                              avs takes half of membership cost for hosting and billing processor (well the ones that I'm familiar with) - therefore if you have you already have billing why not just start the pay site and use avs as well?

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                                                                                • Brujah
                                                                                  Beer Money Baron
                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                  • 22157
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  NetVerifier is more like a sponsor paysite, not an AVS. Has this changed again and they allow you to use them like a traditional AVS for your own sites?

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                                                                                    • Domain Diva
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Oct 2007
                                                                                      • 10180
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      I agree with baddog try a AVS first ,you dont have to worry about fraud,billing etc,and if you have only a small amount of content you will have all the extra material you need from the avs.

                                                                                      Many think that a paysite is the gold at the end of the rainbow,yes it can be but like any other business you need deep pockets to learn or take simple less expensive steps like baddog told you,make a simple AVS first,then move on as you get more experience

                                                                                      Im thinking of a solo site myself and if I do it you can be sure it would be with a large AVS to start

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                                                                                        • stev0
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                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                          • 6801
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by sortie
                                                                                          How does it cost me more? I already have software and billing.

                                                                                          I'm not going to do updates, It's a one time sign up; no rebill.
                                                                                          Without recurring billing I don't imagine it would even be worth the effort promoting

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                                                                                            • NetVerifier Rich
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Dec 2007
                                                                                              • 252
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              New Webmasters WELCOME!

                                                                                              Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                              NetVerifier is more like a sponsor paysite, not an AVS. Has this changed again and they allow you to use them like a traditional AVS for your own sites?
                                                                                              New webmasters are able to sign up, and we now offer even more content for you to promote along with the many sites that are listed. If anyone has any questions, feel free to contact me personally.

                                                                                              Richard V.
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                                                                                                • Brujah
                                                                                                  Beer Money Baron
                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                  • 22157
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by NetVerifier Rich
                                                                                                  New webmasters are able to sign up, and we now offer even more content for you to promote along with the many sites that are listed. If anyone has any questions, feel free to contact me personally.

                                                                                                  Richard V.
                                                                                                  http://netverifier.com
                                                                                                  http://handheldpornsites.com
                                                                                                  ICQ # 329-826-535
                                                                                                  New webmasters can signup and use NetV for their own sites?

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                                                                                                    • sortie
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Mar 2007
                                                                                                      • 7771
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by stev0
                                                                                                      Without recurring billing I don't imagine it would even be worth the effort promoting
                                                                                                      I already said that it would not have an affiliate program.

                                                                                                      I'm not going to try to compete on that level.

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                                                                                                        • LexiSexton
                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                          • Dec 2007
                                                                                                          • 62
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          We do pay sites and feel they are a lot more successful than the AVS's, plus we can have an affiliate program! (unless something has changed)

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                                                                                                            • Semi-Retired-Dave
                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                              • Apr 2004
                                                                                                              • 11190
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Claire.XXXBiz TV
                                                                                                              I agree with baddog try a AVS first ,you dont have to worry about fraud,billing etc,and if you have only a small amount of content you will have all the extra material you need from the avs.

                                                                                                              Many think that a paysite is the gold at the end of the rainbow,yes it can be but like any other business you need deep pockets to learn or take simple less expensive steps like baddog told you,make a simple AVS first,then move on as you get more experience

                                                                                                              Im thinking of a solo site myself and if I do it you can be sure it would be with a large AVS to start
                                                                                                              Very well said.
                                                                                                              There are only a handful of Credible AVS's still, all the ones mentioned in this thread are all great choices. AVS would definitely be the way to start.
                                                                                                              Majority of the industry have started from AVS's.
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                                                                                                                • NinjaSteve
                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                  • 11089
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Claire.XXXBiz TV
                                                                                                                  I agree with baddog try a AVS first ,you dont have to worry about fraud,billing etc,and if you have only a small amount of content you will have all the extra material you need from the avs.

                                                                                                                  Many think that a paysite is the gold at the end of the rainbow,yes it can be but like any other business you need deep pockets to learn or take simple less expensive steps like baddog told you,make a simple AVS first,then move on as you get more experience

                                                                                                                  Im thinking of a solo site myself and if I do it you can be sure it would be with a large AVS to start
                                                                                                                  So true. And if you're asking this question then AVS is the way to go in the beginning. You might like it better than running a paysite and your conversions will be a lot better with an AVS. You should compare a few programs before sticking to just one, or you should use multiple. One to try out is xxxsexticket.
                                                                                                                  Last edited by NinjaSteve; 01-06-2008, 09:46 PM.
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                                                                                                                    • alexanderv
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Nov 2006
                                                                                                                      • 591
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      AVS may be a better choice as you start. Like it was already mentioned, with AVS you don't have to worry about billing, hosting, etc.
                                                                                                                      Another advantage here is that you will get a very good traffic from AVS itself, without even promoting your site. Like, on Adultbouncer once your site is approved, it appears in the site listing and gets considerable traffic from there. Also, all new sites are listed on the homepage of Adultbouncer, which brings even more traffic to your site. Finally, other affiliates of Adultbouncer may promote your site and you will get credit for every sale and rebill made this way.

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                                                                                                                        • sortie
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                          • 7771
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by alexanderv
                                                                                                                          AVS may be a better choice as you start. Like it was already mentioned, with AVS you don't have to worry about billing, hosting, etc.
                                                                                                                          Another advantage here is that you will get a very good traffic from AVS itself, without even promoting your site. Like, on Adultbouncer once your site is approved, it appears in the site listing and gets considerable traffic from there. Also, all new sites are listed on the homepage of Adultbouncer, which brings even more traffic to your site. Finally, other affiliates of Adultbouncer may promote your site and you will get credit for every sale and rebill made this way.

                                                                                                                          If you have any questions regarding this AVS system, feel free to hit me up ;)
                                                                                                                          Sounds really good!!

                                                                                                                          I wasn't aware of the hosting. Baddog didn't explain any of that.

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                                                                                                                            • Domain Diva
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Oct 2007
                                                                                                                              • 10180
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              baddog has memory lapses sometimes sortie (just joking)

                                                                                                                              every avs has something to offer apart from the billing that was mentioned,some have free hosting,internal traffic and a few even have affliate programs so you can even set up a webmaster program to go with your site.

                                                                                                                              summary

                                                                                                                              a AVS can offer you everything without the start up risk,spend a week and look at all of them,find the best that suits your requirements.

                                                                                                                              Hope that helps

                                                                                                                              good luck

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                                                                                                                                • baddog
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 107089
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by sortie
                                                                                                                                  I wasn't aware of the hosting. Baddog didn't explain any of that.
                                                                                                                                  Because not all AVS's are the same.

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                                                                                                                                    • NetVerifier Rich
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2007
                                                                                                                                      • 252
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Yes!!

                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                                                                      New webmasters can signup and use NetV for their own sites?

                                                                                                                                      Yes, you can add your sites an join as a new webmaster.

                                                                                                                                      Richard V.
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                                                                                                                                        • Semi-Retired-Dave
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 11190
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          I remember back in 95 when we started the whole free hosting thing for our Webmasters...Damn, that was 12 fricken years ago. Crazy!
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                                                                                                                                            • sortie
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                                              • 7771
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by CyberAge-Dave
                                                                                                                                              I remember back in 95 when we started the whole free hosting thing for our Webmasters...Damn, that was 12 fricken years ago. Crazy!
                                                                                                                                              Well, I should have used the hosting then because I had about 3
                                                                                                                                              cyberage sites that got lost in the likewhoa debacle.

                                                                                                                                              My bad for not having back up; but that was because I had one PC die and my portable harddrive with back ups crashed in the same week of the likewhoa mess. I was on a roll!!!

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                                                                                                                                                • NetVerifier Rich
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2007
                                                                                                                                                  • 252
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  We also have Free hosting. And a great 200% payout program ATM.

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                                                                                                                                                    • BVF
                                                                                                                                                      Black Vagina Finder
                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 13975
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Just say fuck it and go for the gusto...Start a pay site...Thank God I was already doing my thing before I even heard of GFY or I might not have even started.

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                                                                                                                                                        • BVF
                                                                                                                                                          Black Vagina Finder
                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 13975
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          What I said would only apply if it's exclusive niche content that is not easily found...otherwise, do what the others said.

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                                                                                                                                                            • UniversalPassLorence
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                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 3721
                                                                                                                                                              #40
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                                                                                                                                                                • Semi-Retired-Dave
                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                                  • 11190
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by sortie
                                                                                                                                                                  Well, I should have used the hosting then because I had about 3
                                                                                                                                                                  cyberage sites that got lost in the likewhoa debacle.

                                                                                                                                                                  My bad for not having back up; but that was because I had one PC die and my portable harddrive with back ups crashed in the same week of the likewhoa mess. I was on a roll!!!
                                                                                                                                                                  It's never too late, I have new webmasters starting new sites all the time.
                                                                                                                                                                  I say do both, start Pay Sites, we can help you with that as well...ClearCard.com then make a shit load of AVS sites with the same niche to upsell to your paysite. The system has been working for over a decade, why stop it now. We have converting traffic and have had converting traffic forever. I know..I see the sales report every single day.

                                                                                                                                                                  Let me know if you need any help. I love starting new webmasters with our system because when I see them at the shows..they always say..Hey you..You got me started in the Porn Business.
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