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FATPad · 09-27-2002, 08:59 AM

Advertised 3 day trial. On day 2.5 when you can cancel, you are told you had to cancel in the first 48 hours and that you will be rebilled.

Seems misleading to me, but what do I know?

Anyways, which of the processors out there allow this type of trial arrangement?

[Labret] · 09-27-2002, 09:04 AM

ahahahahah

Theo · 09-27-2002, 09:05 AM

well it doesnt make it 3 days trial then,but 2 days trial

FATPad · 09-27-2002, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
ahahahahah

Now that's not really an answer, Labret.

FATPad · 09-27-2002, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
well it doesnt make it 3 days trial then,but 2 days trial

That's what I'm thinking.

heymatty · 09-27-2002, 09:07 AM

he means unlimited access to the site for 3 days, but trial must be cancelled with in 48 hours

seems like an invite for chargebacks tho

FATPad · 09-27-2002, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by heymatty
he means unlimited access to the site for 3 days, but trial must be cancelled with in 48 hours

seems like an invite for chargebacks tho

Right. That what's I guess it means, but that's pretty misleading if you ask me. I would assume the chargebacks are pretty high, especially considering that you have to cancel 7 days before the end of a 30 day subscription or you get rebilled again.

Just wondering who allows this.

heymatty · 09-27-2002, 09:10 AM

epoch have the 30 minute trial thing so i am guessing maybe they are the ones allowing this option

BJ · 09-27-2002, 09:11 AM

you mean a 3rd party processor?

Theo · 09-27-2002, 09:13 AM

im sure there are paysites using such kind of billing imagination

BJ · 09-27-2002, 09:15 AM

only allow cancellation via email, this way you could justify a 24hr bumper to cancel the account

FATPad · 09-27-2002, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
im sure there are paysites using such kind of billing imagination

There are. ARS sites actually.

Ever wonder how such shitty paysites can afford to payout $35 per sale? Misleading bs like this. Interesting.

FATPad · 09-27-2002, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by PureMeds
only allow cancellation via email, this way you could justify a 24hr bumper to cancel the account

You can cancel via web page.

Enter the two pieces of info and get a screen telling you you were supposed to cancel with 48 hours, this is hour 49 and you're going to be rebilled $39.99.

*shakes head* And people wonder why outsiders feel the need to regulate us.

Coke · 09-27-2002, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by PureMeds
you mean a 3rd party processor?

Yes, they would have to be pretty stupid if they used such deceptive marketing tricks with their own merchant account

I guess, if the 3rd party processor gets to know about these practices, that paysite will be in big trouble as well.

Jimbo#1 · 09-27-2002, 09:24 AM

It seems a little shady to me, So I guess it would be I-Bill that does it then!!!

Rand · 09-29-2002, 11:03 PM

Disclosure. Disclosure. Disclosure.

No one in their right mind would even consider this model. If anything, the cancellation window should be a bit longer, rather that shorter than what the terms and conditions state.

3 days means 3 days. 30 minutes means 30 minutes. Decpetive practices means you may find yourself out of business and with less freedom than you've ever had, or at least a lot less wealthy than you've been before should you find your self in front of a judge.

--Rand

UnseenWorld · 09-29-2002, 11:54 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how seldom the weird strange oddball strategy of creating a site people might actually WANT to join and remain members of is discussed here.

Voodoo · 09-30-2002, 12:33 AM

Hmm... 30 Second trial.... Only $4.95. You must cancel within the first 10 seconds, or you will be rebilled $19.99 every thirty seconds thereafter until you can manage to cancel on the 61st rebill of the day. Each day begins at exactly 12:01AM PST.

pimpdog3 · 09-30-2002, 12:41 AM

heh, when you guys see my ingenious<sp*?> billing method, you will all think pimpdog is a hero....

Its all 100% legal, its not tricky, its garunteed to retain members atleast 10% longer than average.. and still maintain a 1% or less chargeback ratio or better. and rebill at 40 a month.

PD4L

Mr.Fiction · 09-30-2002, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
It never ceases to amaze me how seldom the weird strange oddball strategy of creating a site people might actually WANT to join and remain members of is discussed here.

Hey guys, who let this guy in?

BV · 09-30-2002, 01:57 AM

it's BS like that and all the cross sells that stop many on line porn buyers from buying again!

i have talked to many friends that this has happened and they have been billed more than the 2.95 "trial" or whatever.

just fucking makes it harder for all of us in the long run....

yep... uh huh.....

BrettJ · 09-30-2002, 02:01 AM

I'd bet 3rd party processors will allow this - - as long as your terms and conditions are clear - -

I think the one week free shit that some sites do suck. they say Get a whole week of access for free, and it says it will monthly rebill for 30 bucks or whatever.

so you put in the credit card number - kind of thinking that you get the first week for FREE as a trial - - and if you don't cancel it - - then you'll be billed for the monthly membership - - when in reality -- you get billed the minute you run the card, the initial purchase is period for 37 days - and then it rebills monthly after that.

kind of shady - - but as long it is explained somewhere on the page - - at least one 3rd party processor i have talked to said -- they will NOT refund a customers money in that case - - unless they think the customer is going to hit up the Bank for a chargeback

Fletch XXX · 09-30-2002, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by BrettJ
I'd bet 3rd party processors will allow this - - as long as your terms and conditions are clear - -

I think the one week free shit that some sites do suck. they say Get a whole week of access for free, and it says it will monthly rebill for 30 bucks or whatever.

so you put in the credit card number - kind of thinking that you get the first week for FREE as a trial - - and if you don't cancel it - - then you'll be billed for the monthly membership - - when in reality -- you get billed the minute you run the card, the initial purchase is period for 37 days - and then it rebills monthly after that.

kind of shady - - but as long it is explained somewhere on the page - - at least one 3rd party processor i have talked to said -- they will NOT refund a customers money in that case - - unless they think the customer is going to hit up the Bank for a chargeback

Yeah thats a nice one.

heheh

the indigo · 09-30-2002, 03:49 AM

ARS do this... when I noticed I just dropped them down.

FATPad · 09-30-2002, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by the indigo
ARS do this... when I noticed I just dropped them down.

Yea. That's how I find this out. I was pretty amazed that ibill let's ARS pull this kind of crap.

They can't payout all the web900 money, but if you're a big client you can screw people and practice deceptive marketing. Interesting.

FATPad · 09-30-2002, 04:32 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
It never ceases to amaze me how seldom the weird strange oddball strategy of creating a site people might actually WANT to join and remain members of is discussed here.

I was talking to someone about this very idea a few weeks ago. We're both amazed that so few sponsors have this basic concept in mind. It kinda sucks.

It seems it more a matter of churning as many surfers through as possible and hoping some of them forget to cancel or get tricked into paying for shit instead of just producing a good site and having people *want* to stay.

michel · 09-30-2002, 07:07 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
ahahahahah

09-27-2002, 09:07 AM	#6
heymatty Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scottsdale :) Posts: 2,188	he means unlimited access to the site for 3 days, but trial must be cancelled with in 48 hours seems like an invite for chargebacks tho __________________ Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

09-27-2002, 09:10 AM	#8
heymatty Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scottsdale :) Posts: 2,188	epoch have the 30 minute trial thing so i am guessing maybe they are the ones allowing this option __________________ Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

09-29-2002, 11:03 PM	#16
Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	Disclosure. Disclosure. Disclosure. No one in their right mind would even consider this model. If anything, the cancellation window should be a bit longer, rather that shorter than what the terms and conditions state. 3 days means 3 days. 30 minutes means 30 minutes. Decpetive practices means you may find yourself out of business and with less freedom than you've ever had, or at least a lot less wealthy than you've been before should you find your self in front of a judge. --Rand __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

09-29-2002, 11:54 PM	#17
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	It never ceases to amaze me how seldom the weird strange oddball strategy of creating a site people might actually WANT to join and remain members of is discussed here. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

09-30-2002, 12:33 AM	#18
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	Hmm... 30 Second trial.... Only $4.95. You must cancel within the first 10 seconds, or you will be rebilled $19.99 every thirty seconds thereafter until you can manage to cancel on the 61st rebill of the day. Each day begins at exactly 12:01AM PST. __________________ "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

09-27-2002, 08:59 AM	#1
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Which processors allow this? Advertised 3 day trial. On day 2.5 when you can cancel, you are told you had to cancel in the first 48 hours and that you will be rebilled. Seems misleading to me, but what do I know? Anyways, which of the processors out there allow this type of trial arrangement? __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

09-27-2002, 09:04 AM	#2
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	ahahahahah

09-27-2002, 09:05 AM	#3
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	well it doesnt make it 3 days trial then,but 2 days trial

09-27-2002, 09:11 AM	#9
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	you mean a 3rd party processor?

09-27-2002, 09:13 AM	#10
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	im sure there are paysites using such kind of billing imagination

09-27-2002, 09:15 AM	#11
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	only allow cancellation via email, this way you could justify a 24hr bumper to cancel the account

09-27-2002, 09:24 AM	#15
Jimbo#1 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 211	It seems a little shady to me, So I guess it would be I-Bill that does it then!!!

09-30-2002, 12:41 AM	#19
pimpdog3 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 652	heh, when you guys see my ingenious<sp*?> billing method, you will all think pimpdog is a hero.... Its all 100% legal, its not tricky, its garunteed to retain members atleast 10% longer than average.. and still maintain a 1% or less chargeback ratio or better. and rebill at 40 a month. PD4L

09-30-2002, 01:57 AM	#21
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	it's BS like that and all the cross sells that stop many on line porn buyers from buying again! i have talked to many friends that this has happened and they have been billed more than the 2.95 "trial" or whatever. just fucking makes it harder for all of us in the long run.... yep... uh huh.....

09-30-2002, 02:01 AM	#22
BrettJ ol' timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 4,715	I'd bet 3rd party processors will allow this - - as long as your terms and conditions are clear - - I think the one week free shit that some sites do suck. they say Get a whole week of access for free, and it says it will monthly rebill for 30 bucks or whatever. so you put in the credit card number - kind of thinking that you get the first week for FREE as a trial - - and if you don't cancel it - - then you'll be billed for the monthly membership - - when in reality -- you get billed the minute you run the card, the initial purchase is period for 37 days - and then it rebills monthly after that. kind of shady - - but as long it is explained somewhere on the page - - at least one 3rd party processor i have talked to said -- they will NOT refund a customers money in that case - - unless they think the customer is going to hit up the Bank for a chargeback

09-30-2002, 03:49 AM	#24
the indigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North America Posts: 2,016	ARS do this... when I noticed I just dropped them down.