You cant compare Paul to Moses. Cmon now. Moses, leader of the Exodus, part the Red Sea, 10 Commandments... Moses, Gods left hand man. Paul, wandering evangelist who contorts Jesus words into his own Hellenistic warped mindset. No wonder you like him.

As for why use any scripture at all (in regards to Jesus), the 4 main gospels, Mark, Mathew, Luke and John were all (allegedly) written by disciples of Christ. People with firsthand knowledge. Most certainly quotable.

Paul came on the scene 70 years later. Paul never met Jesus.

So dont tell them the truth... sugarcoat it?

Its simple really. Fuck a donkey, go to hell. Be a whore, go to hell. Dont believe in Christ... you are going to hell.

But dont tell anyone, that will make them mad.

You were molested by a priest weren't you?

Maybe we all fucked donkeys in our previous lives.

Oh gee whiz, are you running out of things to say?

What a fucking stupid thing to post. Let your true colors shine boy.

Oh STFU... i wasn't talking to you. Honestly, i have plenty more to say, I am just bored w/this conversation. I see his point, but he's going about it all the wrong way. The thing is, w/the Bible, you can argue both sides and back it up w/the Bible. Today I chose this side, tomorrow I might be arguing his point to someone else. It doesn't accomplish anything. It's just fun. Anyone that has read the Bible knows, the deeper you get, the less you understand. Anyone that claims to know exactly what God wants and expects is very narrowminded and probably incorrect.

Labret just seems like an arrogant asshole. I can't let him think he rules the religion discussion on this board. Anyone that still uses the word "******" is a pretty shitty person in my opinion anyway.

Forplaz, its clearly obvious here that you're the one whos very upset. You've stressed yourself that we can't PROVE anyone wrong and they'll only get upset. Well I think what has happened here is we've raised some legitament arguments that contradict your beliefs and you're getting mad about it. Why else would you be all mad right now. rather than just acting ignorant and bringing up irrelevant points, how about trying to back up your ideas? If you won't do that, then don't post on the thread. Thanks.

So its not cool to use the word "******," but it is okay to address someone with your previous statement:

Originally posted by Forplaz
"You were molested by a priest weren't you? "

Yeah, okay.

Pick up.

"The Templar Revelation: by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince.

Goes into the depths of how John the Baptist can be proven to exist, as historical things were written about him and his death during the times, in those same "history notes" they discuss the fact there is no mention of someone crucifued for calling himself the *son of god*, only Johns beheading and the events that circle that ounce of time. But all have to do with John being beheaded for being a prophet, or *son of god* Jesus took over after John was in prison and eventually beheaded.

I have read so much on Christ and his schoolings in Egypt and medicine during his early years its pathetic. I have literally hundreds of books on this shit.

My fascination is with Mary Magdalene.

Mary plays a severe part in the bible but has been discredited so much, some even say she was how christ performed his miracles because she was a priestess. (lack of better term) this is all from head and its been awhile since I read that book.

I even have books speaking of the reasons why Mary Magdalene is the only woman to be given 2 names in the bible, ie "Joseph of Aramithea Mary Magdalene has a special part on the story that most christians are not willing to accept. She unlike all other females is treated differently, was she not at the last supper?

She was either his girlfriend, or his sister hinted to in his visits to Bethany. He visits to cure Lazurus her son,? A bit foggy here. Two sisters of Bethany, Mary and Martha.

One can argue that "Bethany" is really Bethlahem, because of its location to Jerusalem and Bethany. (At that time no clue on these locations now) Christ and his disciples visit Bethany more than once *just to cure*people, they walk miles just to see mary Magdalene, but if you notice the passage is chopped severely short, to basically one lines, "Jesus arrrived at bethany and annointed the sick, then he turned and went to" which is bullshit, what happened there? Why not mention it. I cannot for the life of me find the passage in my bible here, but I sure wish I could. It helps prove this of Mary. Some even say mary magdalene was realy christs mom, and that he born unto a whore priestess.

I have books that go into the depth of saying mary magdalene was Jesus' sister or his girlfriend, hence she is the only woman to accompany Christ, "annoint" him which goes into his childhood studies in Egypt searching for himself.

John the Baptist hated Jesus, he was beheaded for him. This is all evident in Templar studies and even Rosicrucian studies. And Christ took over his teachings and called them his own after Johns death. I mean we do have "Baptists and Christians?"

That book even goes into the hidden things in Da Vinci's the Last Supper. Get the book. My rambling does this topic no justice, its too early.

They discuss the reason Da Vinci painting the Shroud of Turin, etc...

Read that book.

No clue of any relevance to this thread hehehe but it disproves the Disciples loyalty to christ. In fact thats why they abandoned him.

False prophets die slow.

Christ was nothing more than a cheap evangelist. And history can prove this. We can also prove John the baptist is/was/ real.

This also is part of the everlasting "Holy Grail" saga.

Books where all this rambling came from.

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Awesome stuff, havent read it but would like to. I remember you made a post regarding the Templars sometime in the past about some Black Virgin Mary in France. I am sure I just fucked it all up, but it was some time ago and the basic premise of what you said stuck with me since then. I have been meaning to hunt down more info about it.

Ah.... nothing like the old religious debate to keep the pot stirred up to a nice thick froth....

:throwup

Wow, that was mighty Christian of you.

WWJD?

Basic questions:

Didn't Jesus have followers who were prostitutes and tax collectors? When asked why he would minister to such "scum", Jesus responded to his critics by comparing them to the sick who needed a doctor?

Wasn't Jesus aware of the sinful and fallen nature of humans yet still allow them process of TRYING to reconcile their ways with God's law?

Didn't St. Paul note that even if people have fallen away from God or didn't even know God at all, they can still attain Divine Grace by being judged with the "law written upon their hearts"?

Wasn't Jesus' ministry based on examples upon examples of the forgiving nature of God? The prodigal son? The shifty tax collector?

Ultimately, didn't Jesus say to those who sought strict obedience of the letter of the law [but not its spirit] that God's kingdom was like the Master who hired servants to work his field during differing parts of the day. When confronted by servants who worked the longest and hardest why EVERYONE GOT PAID THE SAME, that Jesus essentially said "God's notion of fairness and equity is different from Humans' "?


Just some questions that come to mind.

Mary magdalenes Head is supposed to be buried in a cemetary in Rennes France.

The Church has checker board floors and the walls are covered with symbols of ancient religion and the Holy Water bowl at the front door is Azmodeus.

Every year they bring out a golden head and parade it down the streets alongside the Black Madonna. The Black faced Mary is mary Magdalene.

http://www.rennes-le-chateau.com

Thats the Church and the Man who built it.

Deminsions.

http://www.tour-magdala.com/Pages/Ge...CGeometry.html

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Mary Magdalene in the church

http://www.calweb.com/~queribus/rennes.html

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Azmodeus water bowl.

Out back of this church is ahuge cave leading down into nothing, it is said where the Grail is, deep deep deep down, many have gone after it.

John the baptists head is supposedly there too. Dipped in gold.

Its a very secret society. Supposedly this church has very archaic design and its position itself is very sacred, again, mary magdalene is supposedly buried there, and they worship the Black madonna regularly, NOT MARY as Catholics do.

George Lucas himself hinted towards the Templar theory in <i>Indiana Jones: The Last Crusade</i> as the keepers of the grail. The silly man with the red hat and the big anhk tatted across his chest.

the Templars, are the true keepers of the true identity of christ.

And this church holds some answers.

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Mary Magdalene statue in the Church

"""""Mary Magdalene, to whom the church is dedicated, is pictured over the entrance. Under her is written this place is terrible. terribilis est""""

I can read about that church all day and still be mesmerized.

I never said that I always do the Christian thing. There you go assuming again.

True. Jesus said he did not come to minister to those who were already "saved". He ministered to the scum of the earth, the untouchables of his time.

That does not mean that he condoned of their behavior and said they could continue to whore after they decided to follow the right path.

He was preaching to the filth for a reason. They were the ones that needed to be saved.




Anything Paul says is irrelevant.

All Paul did was try and make his brand of Judaism palatable to the people he was preaching to. Paul didnt preach to the Jews, Paul spread his message to the goy, to the animals, to the diaspora. You try and convince a bunch of Romans that they need to convert to Judaism and adopt all the strict laws of Judaism.

The same way Forplaz needs to make his Jesus all touchy feely and full of nothing but love, Paul needed to make his brand of Judaism easier to accept.

Jesus did not come to change the law, Jesus came to fulfill it. Paul changed it.

Judaism is hard, Pauls Christianity is not. Take all the convenient Christians on this board for example. They make it all seem so easy dont they? To quote Michel "I believe". Thats it. There you have it. Christianity American style.

Nevermind all the people who have spent their lives studying and contemplating the word of God, they fucked up. All they really needed to do was just live their lives like normal and just "believe" in Jesus. Those fucking suckers.



Of course it was. Of course God will forgive you.

But you know what happens if you dont ask God to forgive you?

He loves you right into hell.

Like a priest who spends his days following the letter of the law and then sticking his finger in a little boys butt.

I am of the opinion that nothing would be more disgusting in the eyes of God than a Christian like those on this board. At least I wont go to church once a year and try and bullshit God that I am a good Christian.

I was a pretty devout kid, and went through a period in my early teenage years where I was pretty sure I was gonna end up orthodox clergy of some sort. But I couldnt in good faith do the stupid shit I was doing as a teenager and then go to church on Sunday and ask for forgiveness knowing I would just go out and do the same shit again and again and again.

I felt it was better to fall to the wayside that to continue trying to bullshit God.

For me to sit here and spread homosexual porn to a couple hundred thousand people a day, and then to walk my ass into church and claim that I am a good Christian is not only an insult to God, but an insult to the institution itself, as well as every single person that is a devout humble follower.

At least when I die, and if I do go before God to be judged, at least I can say I didnt try to bullshit him.

Yeah. Never heard of any of that. Fascinating would be an understatement.

Sorry, i quoted the wrong post.

That place has intrigued me for years, and continues to do so. As I am certain it will you.

It really starts to dip into the Jesus vs John life. remember John wrote Revelations.

Enjoy, its a wonderful subject.

:winkwink:

I think there is a God. This is proof..
http://www.melindateen.com/melinda001.jpg
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Amen :)