Chuck Lidell VS Wanderlei Silva - Predictions - GoFuckYourself.com

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 10:00 PM

I predict Wand by submission (that's not even a joke, I think lidell will rock him, go for the kill and get subbed)

My reasons :
Axe smashes ice (Wand is called the Axe Murderer and Chuck the Iceman)
Bath in icy water (Chuck is called the Iceman and Wand baths in icy water as part of his training)

Unless chuck takes an axe bath tonite, he's done.

notoldschool · 12-28-2007, 10:03 PM

Nice pics. Liddell is gonna get all he can handle. I think its whoever gets one on the button. Liddell with an over hand right is likely considering their styles.

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Nice pics. Liddell is gonna get all he can handle. I think its whoever gets one on the button. Liddell with an over hand right is likely considering their styles.

Yeppers, I say 60/40 for Lidell in standup.

However, Wand is used to getting rocked and recovers quickly.... that's why I figured out he might sub him when Lidell goes for the kill ;)

iSMOKE · 12-28-2007, 10:08 PM

I think they're both too far past their prime for anyone to care. This fight would have been gr8 a few years ago. Chuck keeps getting his ass beat and Silva hasn't fought in how long...damn i cant even remember. I consider this to be 2 cans going at it for no reason and nothing to gain. I pick Silva by either KO or decision...just my 2 cents.

Inde · 12-28-2007, 10:10 PM

Silva by KO

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 10:16 PM

(Wandy makes his way to the Octagon)

Joe Rogan: This is one Scary dude!!
Goldberg:The Axe Murderer is what they call him Joe, and tonight he looks to pick away at the Iceman!
(Joe rolls eyes)

(End of the fight)

Joe Rogan:OH! Chucks rocked! He's hurt Badley!
Goldberg:And it's ALLLLLLLL OVER!!! Wanderlei Silva has Knocked out Chuck Liddell!!!!
Joe Rogan:Let's get a replay of those vicious knees!

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by iSMOKE

I think they're both too far past their prime for anyone to care. This fight would have been gr8 a few years ago. Chuck keeps getting his ass beat and Silva hasn't fought in how long...damn i cant even remember. I consider this to be 2 cans going at it for no reason and nothing to gain. I pick Silva by either KO or decision...just my 2 cents.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3v...ei-silva_sport

Watch this ... videos of his training.

He's worse then Sean Sherk.

notoldschool · 12-28-2007, 10:19 PM

watching silva train right now on spike. hes sick. Trains with a snorkal and vest. Crazy shit.

Nicky · 12-28-2007, 10:20 PM

I'm with Silva on this one actually

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

watching silva train right now on spike. hes sick. Trains with a snorkal and vest. Crazy shit.

40 pounds vest...

rogan: talk us through that crazy knee that ended the fight

wandy: I told u, i fuck chuck

goldy: that replay brought to you by aliens vs predator 2

Jim_Gunn · 12-28-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by iSMOKE

I think they're both too far past their prime for anyone to care. This fight would have been gr8 a few years ago. Chuck keeps getting his ass beat and Silva hasn't fought in how long...damn i cant even remember. I consider this to be 2 cans going at it for no reason and nothing to gain. I pick Silva by either KO or decision...just my 2 cents.

Once again on GFY someone, way overstating a case and undermining any small point they had by exaggeration. Wanderlei is only 31 years old. His last wins were in 2006 and 2005, and his two most recent losses were to Dan Henderson and CroCop, not some chumps. Did you see the UFC All Access with Silva training in a oxygen deprivation mask and sparring with no head gear? He looks pretty serious- moved to Las Vegas with his whole family and a training staff that lives with him 24/7. I think he is for real and he has a chance to not only beat Chuck, but take the UFC light heavyweight belt from Rampage who he has beaten twice in Pride already.

notoldschool · 12-28-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

40 pounds vest...

rogan: talk us through that crazy knee that ended the fight

wandy: I told u, i fuck chuck

goldy: that replay brought to you by aliens vs predator 2

Phil · 12-28-2007, 10:34 PM

happened??

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

happened??

Happening tomorrow
Greatest MMA event on US soil

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 10:40 PM

notoldschool · 12-28-2007, 10:42 PM

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fucking awesome.

iSMOKE · 12-28-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Once again on GFY someone, way overstating a case and undermining any small point they had by exaggeration. Wanderlei is only 31 years old. His last wins were in 2006 and 2005, and his two most recent losses were to Dan Henderson and CroCop, not some chumps. Did you see the UFC All Access with Silva training in a oxygen deprivation mask and sparring with no head gear? He looks pretty serious- moved to Las Vegas with his whole family and a training staff that lives with him 24/7. I think he is for real and he has a chance to not only beat Chuck, but take the UFC light heavyweight belt from Rampage who he has beaten twice in Pride already.

What did i exaggerate? Training methods dont win fights. Anyone who knows MMA knows this fight means nothing. It gets americans blood flowing but other than that...silva beating chuck means nothing, chuck beating sivla means nothing.

notoldschool · 12-28-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by iSMOKE

What did i exaggerate? Training methods dont win fights. Anyone who knows MMA knows this fight means nothing. It gets americans blood flowing but other than that...silva beating chuck means nothing, chuck beating sivla means nothing.

What? The winner will most likely be in line to get a shot at rampage.

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by iSMOKE

What did i exaggerate? Training methods dont win fights. Anyone who knows MMA knows this fight means nothing. It gets americans blood flowing but other than that...silva beating chuck means nothing, chuck beating sivla means nothing.

Silva beating Chuck means he's next in line after Griffen for Contention.

Chuck beating Silva means he's back in contention, and might get a shot after a couple fights.

Training methods win fights... Look at GSP. This fight means that the two of the 5 fighters with the best highlight reels are fighting agaisn't each other. The two guys that dominated their era are fighting together. That means something.

Almost like Ali Vs Tyson both fighting after their prime... but Wand's prime might not be over, he's only 31.

notoldschool · 12-28-2007, 10:59 PM

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Silva beating Chuck means he's next in line after Griffen for Contention.

Chuck beating Silva means he's back in contention, and might get a shot after a couple fights.

Griffen Vs Silva would be a tasty treat.

Phil · 12-28-2007, 10:59 PM

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Didn’t even twitch.
Another BBJ clown going down tomorrow.
Waz up Anthony.

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 11:01 PM

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Griffen Vs Silva would be a tasty treat.

I really want to see Page VS Silva 3.

I think Page could actually pull that one off

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Didn?t even twitch.
Another BBJ clown going down tomorrow.
Waz up Anthony.

Do you even have the slightest idea who Wanderlei Silva is ?
Why are you calling him a BJJ clown lol

iSMOKE · 12-28-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

What? The winner will most likely be in line to get a shot at rampage.

Sure, but what im saying is this fight is way past due. It would have had more meaning years ago. 2 'used to be good fighters' on losing streaks trying to get back to the top. If Silva beats chucky, is that a gr8 accomplishment? If chucky boy beats silva...is that anything special? Im still a silva fan and i am excited to see him fight but i just dont see how him beating chuck makes him all of a sudden something better than what he already is. I'm more interested in Fedor vs. rizzo. chuck vs. silva = good for drunk american bandwagon mma fans.

Phil · 12-28-2007, 11:04 PM

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Do you even have the slightest idea who Wanderlei Silva is ?
Why are you calling him a BJJ clown lol

I’ve been watching PRIDE before you even knew it existed.

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by iSMOKE

Sure, but what im saying is this fight is way past due. It would have had more meaning years ago. 2 'used to be good fighters' on losing streaks trying to get back to the top. If Silva beats chucky, is that a gr8 accomplishment? If chucky boy beats silva...is that anything special? Im still a silva fan and i am excited to see him fight but i just dont see how him beating chuck makes him all of a sudden something better than what he already is. I'm more interested in Fedor vs. rizzo. chuck vs. silva = good for drunk american bandwagon mma fans.

Yes, it would have been a lot bigger fight a year ago, when Lidell had his title and Wand got beaten by a 185er.

But if you look at wand's two loses... He lost agaisn't one of the top 2 heavyweight, and the #1 p4p at the time...

Lidell lost agaisn't Rampage (bad styles matchup) and Jardine (past his prime I guesS).

If Wand wins this fight, I see him having a title fight in the next year and maybe winning it.

Not so sure about Chuck.

jaysmoke · 12-28-2007, 11:13 PM

after Chuck gets his ass kicked, im sure Entourage will have plenty of cameos for him. Chucks time is over

iSMOKE · 12-28-2007, 11:15 PM

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What? The winner will most likely be in line to get a shot at rampage.

no one wants to see rampage vs. chuck rematch...the same exact thing would happen again. Chuck fights good fighters and loses. i cant argue that beating randy was gr8, but imagine that loser stepping foot into pride while he was running UFC...LOL@ that. He cant compete with top fighers. Chuck sucks and always has been overrated. Randleman wasnt out, he eye gouged tito and several others...i could go on and on but ill end up saying something crazy.

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by iSMOKE

no one wants to see rampage vs. chuck rematch...the same exact thing would happen again. Chuck fights good fighters and loses. i cant argue that beating randy was gr8, but imagine that loser stepping foot into pride while he was running UFC...LOL@ that. He cant compete with top fighers. Chuck sucks and always has been overrated. Randleman wasnt out, he eye gouged tito and several others...i could go on and on but ill end up saying something crazy.

I have to agree there, except the fact that no one wants to see it... The hardcore fans don't, but the 'normal' chuck groupies would like too.

He always had good styles matchups for him. He's very brandable and I figure Joe Silva got told to keep him there.

Wand matches good with him as well, he might pull this one up but he'll never be #1 again as long as rampage is in the picture.

But as far as Wand, there is a possibility that he might get the belt.

Lance69 · 12-28-2007, 11:21 PM

Silva by TKO. BJJ Clown LMAO I want what your smoking.

Phil · 12-28-2007, 11:24 PM

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Silva by TKO. BJJ Clown LMAO I want what your smoking.

TKO niqqa? I may be trolling Anthony here but TKO? How about $100 to back it up???

iSMOKE · 12-28-2007, 11:29 PM

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I have to agree there, except the fact that no one wants to see it... The hardcore fans don't, but the 'normal' chuck groupies would like too.

Yea you're right. I keep speaking from a long time MMA fan's prospective. Me saying no one wants to see it wasnt too accurate now that i think of it. I'm sure UFC fans are really dying to see it but its just because they really dont know what they're talking about. They still sit around and drink beer while talking about how good tank abbott was. This fight will be good for the UFC and this event has a great card but i just cant respect the commercialization of MMA. But hey, $$$$ talks and UFC is growing more and more and making more and more.

iSMOKE · 12-28-2007, 11:39 PM

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Chucks time is over

It's sad to say he even had a time. Only in the UFC...

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 11:42 PM

It was so painfull to listen to the people next to us at the bar last time telling each other how Jardine looked like a bad dude and that he would win and how Griffen was a TUF badass and he would kick this nowhere's ass.

What was even more worse is that they were actually right

iSMOKE · 12-28-2007, 11:43 PM

iSMOKE · 12-28-2007, 11:51 PM

Rampage has already smashed Liddell up not once but 2x, 2x, 2x. So even if he beats silva i dont see how that puts him back in contention for the title. He would just get his ass handed to him again. At least silva can say he's beat jackson before but that was a longggg time ago and jackson has turned into a monster since then. Silva hasnt won a fight in years and the last person he can say he beat is fucking fujita. Henderson raped silva, jackson raped henderson. No ones gonna take the belt from jackson for a while. Chute box went to hell and so did silvas training. Sure he is doing some hi tech "looks cool" training but when you have no one to train with, all that shit means nothing when you step into the ring. It doesnt matter how in shape you are if you cant fight. Luckily for silva he's fighting a loser. I dont see him going anywhere after winning this fight.

It's almost bedtime here folks, have fun with this thread, peace

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by iSMOKE

Rampage has already smashed Liddell up not once but 2x, 2x, 2x. So even if he beats silva i dont see how that puts him back in contention for the title. He would just get his ass handed to him again. At least silva can say he's beat jackson before but that was a longggg time ago and jackson has turned into a monster since then. Silva hasnt won a fight in years and the last person he can say he beat is fucking fujita. Henderson raped silva, jackson raped henderson. No ones gonna take the belt from jackson for a while. Chute box went to hell and so did silvas training. Sure he is doing some hi tech "looks cool" training but when you have no one to train with, all that shit means nothing when you step into the ring. It doesnt matter how in shape you are if you cant fight. Luckily for silva he's fighting a loser. I dont see him going anywhere after winning this fight.

It's almost bedtime here folks, have fun with this thread, peace

No one to train with ? He's been training at fucking Extreme Couture with Shawn Thompkins... lol

Now that he's there, the whole team Thompkins trains there too (Rashad Evans, Jardine, GSP, Stout, Homminick)

Gman.357 · 12-28-2007, 11:55 PM

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Chuck looked very trim and perhaps a bit tense at the weigh-in. Wandy looks more than ready. I think he'd fight Chuck in the parking lot if the UFC told him that's where it's going down. I've always had doubts about Chucks chin, and his last two fights are evidence that he can throw, but maybe not take a shot.

Wandy by KO. It will go a little longer than the 'Page fight did, but I see it ending the same way. Only much more brutally.

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 11:57 PM

It's fucking hard to make a prediction on this fight seriously...
I've made the sub prediction... even thought it's halfway a joke, it could really happen.

They are close to be evenly matched with their respective style.

Gman.357 · 12-29-2007, 12:07 AM

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I've made the sub prediction... even thought it's halfway a joke, it could really happen.

Another thing that could happen in theory, although far-fetched, is the fight ending in a DQ. Let's say Wandy drops Chuck with a punch, then follows up with a stomp... to the head. Instant DQ by UFC rules. Hope Wandy doesn't forget what organization he's in.

Phil · 12-29-2007, 12:23 AM

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Chuck looked very trim and perhaps a bit tense at the weigh-in. Wandy looks more than ready. I think he'd fight Chuck in the parking lot if the UFC told him that's where it's going down. I've always had doubts about Chucks chin, and his last two fights are evidence that he can throw, but maybe not take a shot.

Wandy by KO. It will go a little longer than the 'Page fight did, but I see it ending the same way. Only much more brutally.

$500 on KO right now. take ot ar beat it. Escrow with any respected member of this board.

Doctor Dre · 12-29-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gman.357

Another thing that could happen in theory, although far-fetched, is the fight ending in a DQ. Let's say Wandy drops Chuck with a punch, then follows up with a stomp... to the head. Instant DQ by UFC rules. Hope Wandy doesn't forget what organization he's in.

Nah he knows, he's practiced stomps to the body ;)

latinasscash · 12-29-2007, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gman.357

Another thing that could happen in theory, although far-fetched, is the fight ending in a DQ. Let's say Wandy drops Chuck with a punch, then follows up with a stomp... to the head. Instant DQ by UFC rules. Hope Wandy doesn't forget what organization he's in.

That's not too far fetched. I can see Wanderly losing by DQ easily. The
head stomp is just a normal part of fighting in Brasil. And he does love
that technique. However, Warderly needs the win and the doe way too
bad to lose by DQ.

If Chuck lands a clean blow early, he'll win. He doesn't do well enough
on the ground to win a submission fight. But, on his feet, he has a
great shot.

My bet is, Wanderly by KO (the thai knees)!

V_RocKs · 12-29-2007, 03:43 AM

Umm.. I will be drunk. I will be playing poker... and I will be eating something dead.

Manowar · 12-29-2007, 05:18 AM

Silva, just because he's in better shape

Vegas Ken · 12-29-2007, 08:36 AM

Silva is going to take it.

Lance69 · 12-29-2007, 10:01 AM

Is it wrong if I am sporting wood for this?
As for betting, every time I've bet against the Iceman, I've lost money. Seems like my own personal jinx. He said it best in that interview... even at 50 he can always be the UFC's one trick pony, all it takes is one shot.
I just don't think he'll land it. I'll just stick to calling 2nd round KO for Silva.

RyanL · 12-29-2007, 11:21 AM

Tough one to call... Chuck could land one of those overhead shots and KO Silva or Silva could throw some knees in the clinch at KO Chuck!

It's going to be an interesting fight

notoldschool · 12-29-2007, 11:35 AM

I love people who claim to know it all about mma and how they know the founding fathers of pride which makes them experts. heres a little info for you.

The guys in pride never trained like the guys in the us do now. they dont eat clean like the guys over here, and they all used steroids, Including Wandy. Then all you pride dick riders swear they could kill ufc guys, then they come over and get handled. Perfect example was Shogun, the biggest dick ridee in pride. The guy looks like he eats at mcdonalds once a day and Griffen stomps a mud hole in his ass. Wandy is great and all and is the exception of the pride guys training. he trains like a mad man. I just hope he dont test hot after all is said and done. I also think chuck let the money get to him and thats going be and allready is his big downfall, but rampage didnt beat his ass in the ufc fight, chuck just fought like shit and opened himself up for a quick knock out, which happens to the best of them.

SomeCreep · 12-29-2007, 12:30 PM

Chuck had his day. Time for him to move on.

12-28-2007, 10:03 PM	#2
notoldschool Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,687	Nice pics. Liddell is gonna get all he can handle. I think its whoever gets one on the button. Liddell with an over hand right is likely considering their styles. __________________ No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture. -- Learned Hand http://www.bjpenn.com

12-28-2007, 10:08 PM	#4
iSMOKE Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,028	I think they're both too far past their prime for anyone to care. This fight would have been gr8 a few years ago. Chuck keeps getting his ass beat and Silva hasn't fought in how long...damn i cant even remember. I consider this to be 2 cans going at it for no reason and nothing to gain. I pick Silva by either KO or decision...just my 2 cents. __________________

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notoldschool Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,687	watching silva train right now on spike. hes sick. Trains with a snorkal and vest. Crazy shit. __________________ No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture. -- Learned Hand http://www.bjpenn.com

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Nicky Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,071	I'm with Silva on this one actually __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

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Inde Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 983	Silva by KO

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jaysmoke Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: TORONTO Posts: 1,192	after Chuck gets his ass kicked, im sure Entourage will have plenty of cameos for him. Chucks time is over

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Lance69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 2,266	Silva by TKO. BJJ Clown LMAO I want what your smoking. __________________ Sonarcash Competitive Content Shooting Handgasm HD Handjobs Janessa Jordan Ultimate Wife Make Money Fucking Blog ICQ: 307 975 028 lance {at} sonarcash {dot} com (<- Need amateur content? Email or ICQ)

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iSMOKE Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,028	Rampage has already smashed Liddell up not once but 2x, 2x, 2x. So even if he beats silva i dont see how that puts him back in contention for the title. He would just get his ass handed to him again. At least silva can say he's beat jackson before but that was a longggg time ago and jackson has turned into a monster since then. Silva hasnt won a fight in years and the last person he can say he beat is fucking fujita. Henderson raped silva, jackson raped henderson. No ones gonna take the belt from jackson for a while. Chute box went to hell and so did silvas training. Sure he is doing some hi tech "looks cool" training but when you have no one to train with, all that shit means nothing when you step into the ring. It doesnt matter how in shape you are if you cant fight. Luckily for silva he's fighting a loser. I dont see him going anywhere after winning this fight. It's almost bedtime here folks, have fun with this thread, peace __________________

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,428	Umm.. I will be drunk. I will be playing poker... and I will be eating something dead.

12-29-2007, 05:18 AM	#45
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	Silva, just because he's in better shape

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Lance69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 2,266	Is it wrong if I am sporting wood for this? As for betting, every time I've bet against the Iceman, I've lost money. Seems like my own personal jinx. He said it best in that interview... even at 50 he can always be the UFC's one trick pony, all it takes is one shot. I just don't think he'll land it. I'll just stick to calling 2nd round KO for Silva. __________________ Sonarcash Competitive Content Shooting Handgasm HD Handjobs Janessa Jordan Ultimate Wife Make Money Fucking Blog ICQ: 307 975 028 lance {at} sonarcash {dot} com (<- Need amateur content? Email or ICQ)

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RyanL Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,145	Tough one to call... Chuck could land one of those overhead shots and KO Silva or Silva could throw some knees in the clinch at KO Chuck! It's going to be an interesting fight __________________ ICQ: #126013016 :: Amateur Index

12-29-2007, 11:35 AM	#49
notoldschool Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,687	I love people who claim to know it all about mma and how they know the founding fathers of pride which makes them experts. heres a little info for you. The guys in pride never trained like the guys in the us do now. they dont eat clean like the guys over here, and they all used steroids, Including Wandy. Then all you pride dick riders swear they could kill ufc guys, then they come over and get handled. Perfect example was Shogun, the biggest dick ridee in pride. The guy looks like he eats at mcdonalds once a day and Griffen stomps a mud hole in his ass. Wandy is great and all and is the exception of the pride guys training. he trains like a mad man. I just hope he dont test hot after all is said and done. I also think chuck let the money get to him and thats going be and allready is his big downfall, but rampage didnt beat his ass in the ufc fight, chuck just fought like shit and opened himself up for a quick knock out, which happens to the best of them. __________________ No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture. -- Learned Hand http://www.bjpenn.com

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