Well most laws do say 50 feet from door ways etc but alas what is a bar to do, and guess where they put the damn ash trays.

i live in cali and it sux cant smoke anywhere.. Beverly hills has outlaw'd smoking in some outside areas as well..

In a few more days no smoking in cars either if you have kids.

We have that law in Washington state and honestly, I don't mind it at all IF I don't have to walk halfway to Oz to find a place to smoke - or stand out in the rain - and it rains a ton here.

What I can't stand is stupidity attached to the law. I was in a underground parking structure and the attendant told me I had to toss out my smoke (that I was politely finishing standing by my car prior to entering the building).

Nevermind that it was an underground parking structure with at least 500 cars - each of which pumped out 100 times what my little cigarette does - and he's concerned about second hand smoke...

I told him he should stop thinking as he wasn't very good at it and finished my smoke anyways.

Remember folks - second hand smoke can kill you in 20 years but talking on a cell phone while driving can get you killed tomorrow:action-sm

It's outlawed in bars/clubs here .. I think it's great, even as a heavy smoker.

There's way too many smokers out there, and it's actually enjoyable to go to a club or restaurant and not be smoked out by everyone.
Not that hard to go outside for a smoke, That said.. I don't hit the clubs much in the winter hehe

They are however trying to make it illegal to smoke in YOUR OWN car here, and when that happens, they can lick my sweaty nuts.

My car = My Rules.

Bar owners here were slammed by the 'protect the children" and "we want to eat smoke free" lobby. Not bar patrons. It was a broad no smoking campaign that left common sense and "rights" at the curb.

I do not smoke. If I want to own a bar that allows smoking nobody should have the right to tell me no. Demand should find it's own market ... where were the smoke free resturants and bars? Obviously there was no real demand or there would have been businessmen filling that need.

What about smoking in YOUR OWN bar? No body is forced into a bar.

For an industry that pisses and moans at porn laws more attention should have gone to freedom of choice rights lost.

Florida. You can still smoke in bars that do not serve food. The restaurants thought the law would kill them and they fought it hard and lost. Funny thing, business actually picked up. The real winners were the sports bar restaurants that opened outside patio bars for the smokers. All in all, it was a winning deal for everyone.

50 non smoking threads

We had some major bars go out of business. A huge pool hall that has been arond forever went out of biz. My local bar went out of biz.

Downtown (where the strip of about 50 bars is) is insane. There's huge crouds of kids out on the sidewalks blocking the way. Usually about 100-200 standing out there at any time friday - saturday.

Other than that its not bad. I don't smoke inside anyway, it help me cut down on my smoking because I used to smoke 1-2 packs while out at the bar. Now I smoke maybe 10 if that.

I get what you're saying, but in my own car I'll ask passengers if they mind if I smoke.
I do smoke like a fiend, but I smoke with respect.

But I'll be damned if they can tell me that I can't smoke in my own car, by myself ...

They've outlawed smoking in cars with kids in them, that's acceptable... as your rights only go so far if you're impeding on someone else's rights.

a law controlling smoking in your own car alone is where it goes too far, if I wanna kill myself slowly in my own little gas chamber that's entirely up to me.

I'm sorry, police yourself. Govern yourself. You don't like smoke in bars? You don't like smoke in the restaurants? You don't like smoke in the coffee shops? Instead of relying on the state or local government to be a mommy and fight battles for you, exercise your rights as a consumer and STOP GIVING THEM YOUR BUSINESS!

Don't go! Say to the owners, "I don't like the smoke. I'm not coming anymore. You're losing my business." Hit the owners in their wallets! I guarantee at some point certain bars, restaurants will make the BUSINESS DECISION to go smoke-free without you needing the state to summarily penalize everyone because you don't like smoke in your eyes.

I couldn't imagine going through this as a bar owner. If I'm taking the risk of owning and operating a bar, a place run by adults for adults, you're going to tell me I can't run the place like I want it run? Am I going to catch heat when the drunks I send outside to smoke start hassling the women walking past the storefront? Am I going to lose money because some of these guys are just going to say, "Fuck it. I'm already out here. Why should I go back in and pay my tab?" I call bullshit.

If you say, "Well, it's for the wait staff. It protects their lungs," I call bullshit again. The effects of second-hand smoke are still being contested. And if even if there was no doubt that second-hand smoke kills, if you're that much of a humanitarian, picket full-service gas stations; picket textile mills; picket fire stations; picket the million other jobs out there that have a component health risk.

Been that way here in Hawaii for awhile, and as a nonsmoker I love it.

You sure about that? In CA it was smoking in the workplace. Had nothing to do with kids.

massachusetts. i fucking love it, all the smokers have to go outside.

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Noticed that in Europe and the UK ztik. Was chatting with a court officer/clerk who had a marked increase on foreclosure processing and debt revcovery applications for bars and other establishments hit by no-smoking bans.

Only my :2 cents:, but won't be a customer in a non-smoking bar, tho got no problem quitting smoking where other folks are eating - eg restaurants etc.



PS The idea of not smoking in your car is too absurd - if that happened here it's time to move to another country for more freedom.