50 non smoking threads

We had some major bars go out of business. A huge pool hall that has been arond forever went out of biz. My local bar went out of biz.

Downtown (where the strip of about 50 bars is) is insane. There's huge crouds of kids out on the sidewalks blocking the way. Usually about 100-200 standing out there at any time friday - saturday.

Other than that its not bad. I don't smoke inside anyway, it help me cut down on my smoking because I used to smoke 1-2 packs while out at the bar. Now I smoke maybe 10 if that.

I get what you're saying, but in my own car I'll ask passengers if they mind if I smoke.
I do smoke like a fiend, but I smoke with respect.

But I'll be damned if they can tell me that I can't smoke in my own car, by myself ...

They've outlawed smoking in cars with kids in them, that's acceptable... as your rights only go so far if you're impeding on someone else's rights.

a law controlling smoking in your own car alone is where it goes too far, if I wanna kill myself slowly in my own little gas chamber that's entirely up to me.

I'm sorry, police yourself. Govern yourself. You don't like smoke in bars? You don't like smoke in the restaurants? You don't like smoke in the coffee shops? Instead of relying on the state or local government to be a mommy and fight battles for you, exercise your rights as a consumer and STOP GIVING THEM YOUR BUSINESS!

Don't go! Say to the owners, "I don't like the smoke. I'm not coming anymore. You're losing my business." Hit the owners in their wallets! I guarantee at some point certain bars, restaurants will make the BUSINESS DECISION to go smoke-free without you needing the state to summarily penalize everyone because you don't like smoke in your eyes.

I couldn't imagine going through this as a bar owner. If I'm taking the risk of owning and operating a bar, a place run by adults for adults, you're going to tell me I can't run the place like I want it run? Am I going to catch heat when the drunks I send outside to smoke start hassling the women walking past the storefront? Am I going to lose money because some of these guys are just going to say, "Fuck it. I'm already out here. Why should I go back in and pay my tab?" I call bullshit.

If you say, "Well, it's for the wait staff. It protects their lungs," I call bullshit again. The effects of second-hand smoke are still being contested. And if even if there was no doubt that second-hand smoke kills, if you're that much of a humanitarian, picket full-service gas stations; picket textile mills; picket fire stations; picket the million other jobs out there that have a component health risk.

Been that way here in Hawaii for awhile, and as a nonsmoker I love it.

You sure about that? In CA it was smoking in the workplace. Had nothing to do with kids.

massachusetts. i fucking love it, all the smokers have to go outside.

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Noticed that in Europe and the UK ztik. Was chatting with a court officer/clerk who had a marked increase on foreclosure processing and debt revcovery applications for bars and other establishments hit by no-smoking bans.

Only my :2 cents:, but won't be a customer in a non-smoking bar, tho got no problem quitting smoking where other folks are eating - eg restaurants etc.



PS The idea of not smoking in your car is too absurd - if that happened here it's time to move to another country for more freedom.