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LB-69 12-29-2007 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 13578159)
I disagree -- that's a textbook affiliate manager job description.

Less than that would be a sales rep.

An affiliate manager is basically a guy who could run his own program but doesn't. He gets a check to run someone else's.

A sales rep is a board whore and ICQ pal to affiliates.
Spot on Jimmy, I'm not asking aff manager to buy or produce content, nor pay salaries, nor deal with a banks and billings, nor a paper work. In addition maybe I have high expectations, but I expect to pay high salary for the right person, so it make sense to me.

nico-t 12-29-2007 11:12 PM
affiliate managers are mostly annoying as hell, but there are some good ones between em

Mutt 12-29-2007 11:22 PM
why would a Top 10 affiliate want to take a full time job as an affiliate manager when he's already making over 100K on his own? No point hiring an affiliate manager unless he's full time and totally dedicated to it.

datatank 12-29-2007 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 13578159)
I disagree -- that's a textbook affiliate manager job description.

Less than that would be a sales rep.

An affiliate manager is basically a guy who could run his own program but doesn't. He gets a check to run someone else's.

A sales rep is a board whore and ICQ pal to affiliates.
So you are saying the hardest part of running a program is managing affiliates ?

datatank 12-29-2007 11:26 PM
LB69 did you send out cashews from Hawaii ? If it was you thanks those were amazing

LB-69 12-29-2007 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by datatank (Post 13578456)
LB69 did you send out cashews from Hawaii ? If it was you thanks those were amazing
No idea what are you talking about..:winkwink:

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 12-29-2007 11:54 PM
I do it purely for commission.

RevengeBucks_Monica 12-30-2007 12:16 AM
I agree that an affiliate manager needs to be someone who has sent sales. Why on earth would you want someone representing your program who has no clue how to sell it themselves? They need to be outgoing and personable and enjoy networking.

As for pay, that's going to entirely depend on the size of the existing affiliate base and the budget of the company. There are a lot of variables I think.

WiredGuy 12-30-2007 12:23 AM
I think their pay should be a reflection of the number of joins they manage for the aff program. The more joins they bring in, the higher commission they get. A majority of their income should be commission plus a small base salary. Give them incentive to work hard.
WG

teksonline 12-30-2007 12:36 AM
guys who sell programs dont want to be affilaite reps lol. partners maybe

LB-69 12-30-2007 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by teksonline (Post 13578581)
guys who sell programs dont want to be affilaite reps lol. partners maybe
Partner needs to bring money or content into program, only traffic is not enough.

The Ghost 12-30-2007 01:17 AM
It's tough to nail down a salary without knowing the skills they bring to the table. Someone who can actually increase revenue would of course be compensated much better than one who can't.

A base salary plus performance bonuses/comissions is possibly a way to go.

Alky 12-30-2007 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13576576)
The question is where the hell would you find one that would fill your needs. I havent found one yet so i dont think I will ever hire one. Save the money and build your network.:2 cents:
Do you build your own network by telling people they don't have traffic and do nothing in this business?

thebossxxx 12-30-2007 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by shermsshack (Post 13577264)
A good affiliate manager with longevity needs to have the full package. It amazes me how many people think affiliate managers are just monkeys who sing, dance and whore it up. What a true manager should be is a person that knows the business inside and out, has connections to get the site(s) exposure on as many sites as possible, and can get his affiliates the tools they need in a timely manner.

In this business, we deal with people from around the world, so communication is key. You need to know how to interact with people who don't speak english as a first language, you need to know how their business works to send traffic, and you need to make them feel comfortable when promoting your product. In the end, the affiliate manager should be the middleman to get traffic to the program using his/her connections, and they are responsible for giving his/her affiliates the tools they need to see the best conversions.

As for pay, it all depends on what the manager brings to the table. Do they do many other tasks? Do they oversee a staff? Do they assist in managing internal traffic as well? Do they contribute to the online community in a way that reflects positively on the company in which they represent?

So far, Wizzo has hit the nail on the head. You ALWAYS get what you pay for. Too low and you'll have managers in and out of your company as if it had a revolving door installed. Too high and the profit margin is reduced for the owner. If the salary/commission is set in a beneficial spot for the owner(s) and manager with room for growth, you'll see a manager staying with the company for many years..if not eventually moving up as a partner, or taking more of an executive roll atop the program hierarchy.

As with any business, "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" holds ground. :thumbsup
Very well said...

Glenn

After Shock Media 12-30-2007 03:06 AM
Well since the majority of my sites are automated I am often open for this job anyways.

What could I bring:
  • Been in this business since 1990 starting with a BBS.
  • Have ran or managed at least twelve paysites.
  • Currently own or co-own at least 4 paysites.
  • Have contacts going back over a decade.
  • A bit of know how in photoshop, scripts, and so forth.
  • Knowledge of CCbill in and out among many other common scripts.
  • Have done my share of free site, tgp, mgp, blog, viral, and other promotions.
  • Good basic legal knowledge, very good with valid and enforceable DMCA letters.
  • Been told I have a respected board persona which is really the real me.
  • I do attend shows.
  • I also do refuse to be a whore.
  • I can and would promote your program in a drama free way.
  • I understand what it is like to be an affiliate now and then, so helping them with their needs is not an issue.
  • I am online more than I am offline.
  • I use ICQ, AIM, MSN, Gtalk, & Yahoo at all times.
  • I have no issues with phone support.
  • I have a good eye for mistakes or small corrections that should be done in promo materials and tours.
  • I have also managed to remain drama free on all of the boards for as long as they have been up.
  • I only speak and read English unfortunately but this can be a bonus for non English programs.

Besides the above I am a great multi-tasker. Would be willing to take on finding and issuing DMCA notices for stolen content. My signature on GFY has sold on GFY alone for well over $1500.00 per month with long term contracts at that price as they did not want to loose me. I often post in business threads and give advice whenever possible.

Depending on the hours and number of days required plus a minimum term length in months. I would consider something no lower than $2000.00 a month with a 6 month minimum term, at 5 days a week, min. 8 hours a day guaranteed. This price for the very right program, may fluxuate by anywhere from 500.00 to 1000.00 depending on the program and level of work needed.

shermo 12-30-2007 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13578448)
why would a Top 10 affiliate want to take a full time job as an affiliate manager when he's already making over 100K on his own? No point hiring an affiliate manager unless he's full time and totally dedicated to it.
I might be an example of a person in this category. There are many reasons for doing this:
1. In order to maintain my personal business, I need about 2 hours a day max. Most of my tasks are automated and I have people overseeing some of my tasks so that my business is hands off (gallery submissions, site updates, programming, etc.). In essence, I have 8-12 hours extra a day to devote to the growth of Duke Dollars as a whole, and my output shows that.

2. The liability of me having my own program is high and not something that I ever felt the need to partake in. I don't have the patience to shoot my own content, I don't want to handle affiliate payroll, and I don't want to have to hire a staff of my own. What I can do is take an implemented system and halp to manage it efficiently and effectively.

3. I got in with a solid company on the ground floor. As Duke Dollars has grown, my earnings have as well. Aside from that, my role has increased and I've taken on more of a program manager role as opposed to being an affiliate manager. I've learned lessons by getting more responsibilities than I'd have ever learned doing anything else (school, research, etc).

4. I enjoy knowing that my mortgage, cars, etc. are paid for monthly with my salary and commissions. My additional personal income is just icing on the cake.

5. I actually ENJOY managing Duke Dollars. I enjoy the affiliates, I enjoy working with Duke, Big Red, TDF, etc. My voice is always heard, we've all learned a lot from each other, and it feels like family...yet we are a family that focuses on making money and providing our affiliates with the tools they need to promote us successfully.

ladida 12-30-2007 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LB-69 (Post 13578424)
In addition maybe I have high expectations, but I expect to pay high salary for the right person, so it make sense to me.
Usually people that say that pay the least. Just my life experience. Fits in profile with high expectations aswell.

Jimmy's definition is still COO to me, not affiliate manager.

[ScreaM] 12-30-2007 06:16 AM
I would say around $32k.

LB-69 12-30-2007 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ladida (Post 13578974)
Usually people that say that pay the least. Just my life experience. Fits in profile with high expectations aswell.

Jimmy's definition is still COO to me, not affiliate manager.
I'm not an American, so when I say something I mean it..:) You can ask ppl around for my credentials..:winkwink:

Rui 12-30-2007 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 13578554)
I think their pay should be a reflection of the number of joins they manage for the aff program. The more joins they bring in, the higher commission they get. A majority of their income should be commission plus a small base salary. Give them incentive to work hard.
WG
Bad move, since it seems to only focus on "new blood", how will you separate the joins from existing affiliates, or even better the "sleeping" ones?

Its complicated to do an estimation of the revenue just by looking at join numbers.

Also what makes you believe that even the numbers stay the same and didn't decrease weren't a result of the Affiliate Manangers work (at least in part)?

Like I said...complicated :2 cents:

Nicky 12-30-2007 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ladida (Post 13577740)
Agreed. And someone that would be doing him all that would be payed alot more then an Affiliate manager.

Never ceases to amaze me of some people's expectations.
Isn't that list pretty basic for an affiliate manager?

BluMedia 12-30-2007 09:04 AM
60-100K+ for a good affiliate manager. Damn for 30k I could hire monkeys to do work.

Mark

ladida 12-30-2007 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 13579257)
Isn't that list pretty basic for an affiliate manager?
3. Check and balance on sales, cb, refunds etc
6. Looking for new technological advances in adult industry, billings, customer solutions etc.
7. Plan new sites and generate additional profit with existing sites of the program.
8. Be aware to copyrights violations of program content, and take steps to remove pirated content.

Those are pretty basic for affiliate manager? And for 30k a year (what people throw around as the usual)? Well good luck finding that then. In my understanding affiliate manager is someone who, well, manages affiliates. But i'm not a program owner so it's out of my league there, but it seems you people have very high expectations.

Nicky 12-30-2007 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ladida (Post 13579328)
3. Check and balance on sales, cb, refunds etc
6. Looking for new technological advances in adult industry, billings, customer solutions etc.
7. Plan new sites and generate additional profit with existing sites of the program.
8. Be aware to copyrights violations of program content, and take steps to remove pirated content.

Those are pretty basic for affiliate manager? And for 30k a year (what people throw around as the usual)? Well good luck finding that then. In my understanding affiliate manager is someone who, well, manages affiliates. But i'm not a program owner so it's out of my league there, but it seems you people have very high expectations.
Ok, I have no idea, I am no program owner. I would consider doing some affiliate managing for a good company though.

xmas13 12-30-2007 09:37 AM
An aff manager should get paid what he/she is worth, or else he/she will go elsewhere.

It also depends on the company financial resources and goals.

ServerGenius 12-30-2007 09:39 AM
a sliding scale percentage of the revenue he's pulling in!

notoldschool 12-30-2007 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Alky (Post 13578651)
Do you build your own network by telling people they don't have traffic and do nothing in this business?
I dont know what the hell you mean, and its obvious you do not know that I meant as well. Guess there are no winners in this case.

Rui 12-30-2007 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 13579363)
a sliding scale percentage of the revenue he's pulling in!
And how would you be measuring that without being "unfair" to one of the parts? (Employer & employee that is) :winkwink:

Blazing 12-30-2007 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by shermsshack (Post 13577264)
So far, Wizzo has hit the nail on the head. You ALWAYS get what you pay for. Too low and you'll have managers in and out of your company as if it had a revolving door installed. Too high and the profit margin is reduced for the owner. If the salary/commission is set in a beneficial spot for the owner(s) and manager with room for growth, you'll see a manager staying with the company for many years..if not eventually moving up as a partner, or taking more of an executive roll atop the program hierarchy.
Excellent take on this subject!!!!

I contiunue to search for exactly that type person... I would love nothing more than to find the guy who can step up to the challenge of working for the goal to earn their way to becoming a partner in the business!!!!

ServerGenius 12-30-2007 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Rui (Post 13579410)
And how would you be measuring that without being "unfair" to one of the parts? (Employer & employee that is) :winkwink:
Isn't that what affiliate programs are for?

Rui 12-30-2007 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 13579476)
Isn't that what affiliate programs are for?
I dont think you understood what I said...

Things arent black & white...

shermo 12-30-2007 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blazing (Post 13579475)
Excellent take on this subject!!!!

I contiunue to search for exactly that type person... I would love nothing more than to find the guy who can step up to the challenge of working for the goal to earn their way to becoming a partner in the business!!!!
That's the tricky part. This business is one of seeing immediate and constant results. Often relationships like that take time to grow and mature, and a lot of owners don't have the patience...they want immediate results, and with obscene expectations. If an affiliate manager can come on and at least earn his/her pay back, then you may be on to something. It's even better if trust is established and more assistance than just contacting affiliates can be provided.

There are a handful of great affiliate managers, and a truckload of fly by nighters who just want to make a couple grand a month, going from company to company. Find that person who wants to make your program his/her baby as well, and you'll find that manager with possible partner status (down the road).

:thumbsup

Alky 12-30-2007 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13579406)
I dont know what the hell you mean, and its obvious you do not know that I meant as well. Guess there are no winners in this case.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=222

Star 69 12-30-2007 11:01 PM
3k..... USD

faxxaff 12-30-2007 11:05 PM
A person who believes to be a good affiliate manager will probably ask to research into your program to sort out the potential. If he sees good business for the future, he will make a reasonable offer to you and will offer to work for free for the first 2 or 3 months to convince you that he is the right guy. Of course he will want a fixed salary combined with a percentage of affiliate sales and a long term contract. But I am sure such a person will ask far more than 100k or 200k.

V_RocKs 12-31-2007 12:19 AM
Pay me $500,000 and I will make you a ton of money.

Pay me $25,000 and I will shit on your lawn.

Alky 12-31-2007 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 13581771)
Pay me $500,000 and I will make you a ton of money.

Pay me $25,000 and I will shit on your lawn.
so... how much money will you make me if i pay you 500k? :pimp

V_RocKs 12-31-2007 03:27 AM
Depends on the size of your program.

If you already do at least 2 million a year I will make that 10 million... and so on.

LB-69 12-31-2007 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 13582122)
Depends on the size of your program.

If you already do at least 2 million a year I will make that 10 million... and so on.
Sounds tempting, but unrealistic...:winkwink:

Pilforgod 12-31-2007 07:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ladida (Post 13579328)
3. Check and balance on sales, cb, refunds etc
6. Looking for new technological advances in adult industry, billings, customer solutions etc.
7. Plan new sites and generate additional profit with existing sites of the program.
8. Be aware to copyrights violations of program content, and take steps to remove pirated content.

Those are pretty basic for affiliate manager? And for 30k a year (what people throw around as the usual)? Well good luck finding that then. In my understanding affiliate manager is someone who, well, manages affiliates. But i'm not a program owner so it's out of my league there, but it seems you people have very high expectations.

As an affiliate manager/director I do these things already or similar activities, albeit I am in mainstream and not adult. There are many levels as to what an affiliate manager can be out there, being a top level business dev type employee is one of them.


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