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Mutt · 12-22-2007, 08:39 PM

it's more fun to just poke John from NATS with a stick all day and night?

this whole thing blew up right here on GFY when an upset paysite owner using NATS posted that he was getting angry emails from members who claimed they used unique email addresses to join the paysite and were soon after sent spam emails and blamed the paysite owner for selling their email addresses. so there is a trail out there to whomever stole these email addresses - let's see the spam emails - see what sites they promoted and hopefully affiliate ID's.

pocketkangaroo · 12-22-2007, 08:40 PM

I don't think anyone will care. The bro network is too tight and there may be drinks lost if someone finds out and exposes the person.

Seems people should be getting together, seeing where the spam was going to, and finding out who owned those accounts. This isn't rocket science, this is too sophisticated to just be some random hacker.

Barefootsies · 12-22-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I don't think anyone will care. The bro network is too tight and there may be drinks lost if someone finds out and exposes the person.

Seems people should be getting together, seeing where the spam was going to, and finding out who owned those accounts. This isn't rocket science, this is too sophisticated to just be some random hacker.

Mutt · 12-22-2007, 08:50 PM

Albright isn't a 'bro' kinda guy - it is definitely in his company's best interest to find who is involved in this and if it led back to a well known individual or company maybe even a NATS client and they were outed it would be very good for NATS

Grapesoda · 12-22-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Albright isn't a 'bro' kinda guy - it is definitely in his company's best interest to find who is involved in this and if it led back to a well known individual or company maybe even a NATS client and they were outed it would be very good for NATS

your phone off the hook?

TMM_John · 12-22-2007, 08:58 PM

We have already received a number of the emails that people's seeds got which we are sure are directly related to this.

I said I wasn't going to talk about the security aspect here and I was dragged into doing so by the GFY posse.

I am definitely not going to be discussing the criminal aspects of it here, but you can be assured we will be looking into it as intently as possible.

WarChild · 12-22-2007, 08:59 PM

Wow someone acting sensibly.

Instead of jumping all over TMM right smack in the middle of an obvious crisis situation, and in many cases without full details, someone's actually moving towards being part of the solution.

I for one am going to be waiting until the aftermath, when the crisis has been managed and all the details are out before I start passing judgment about who did what and why.

Right now it's time to nail the responsible party and take all nessecary actions to correct the problem, not place blame.

Mutt · 12-22-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

your phone off the hook?

doh - it was.

spacedog · 12-22-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

We have already received a number of the emails that people's seeds got which we are sure are directly related to this.

I said I wasn't going to talk about the security aspect here and I was dragged into doing so by the GFY posse.

I am definitely not going to be discussing the criminal aspects of it here, but you can be assured we will be looking into it as intently as possible.

Document everything. It's required by law that you document the details of your internal investigation & keep it on file for 5 years

minusonebit · 12-22-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I don't think anyone will care. The bro network is too tight and there may be drinks lost if someone finds out and exposes the person.

Seems people should be getting together, seeing where the spam was going to, and finding out who owned those accounts. This isn't rocket science, this is too sophisticated to just be some random hacker.

I, myself, wonder if it is that Kandah asshole that was on here peddling stolen lists a while ago. Even said it was from members areas.

pocketkangaroo · 12-22-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Albright isn't a 'bro' kinda guy - it is definitely in his company's best interest to find who is involved in this and if it led back to a well known individual or company maybe even a NATS client and they were outed it would be very good for NATS

I agree. I'm just saying there are going to be companies that benefited from this. There are companies who received traffic off these email lists. Do you think these companies are going to be quick to giving up this information on some of their best affiliates?

pocketkangaroo · 12-22-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

I, myself, wonder if it is that Kandah asshole that was on here peddling stolen lists a while ago. Even said it was from members areas.

Way too sophisticated for a guy who peddles email lists for pennies on the boards. Maybe he was able to get his hands on a list from someone, but I highly doubt he is intelligent enough to pull that off.

Tempest · 12-22-2007, 10:42 PM

Frankly I suspect the culprit is already well known amongst the programs that take part in spam under the table... "should" be easy to track down...

But I've got to say that if I was the owner of a couple of the bigger programs using nats and found out that my members were getting spammed due to this... and it was true that nats has known for awhile about this... I would be talking to my own lawyers about the damage to my companies reputation that had been done and what sort of legal actions were possible... nats seems to jump all over everyone when it comes to their reputation... I think someone should be reaming their ass out.

The Duck · 12-28-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Way too sophisticated for a guy who peddles email lists for pennies on the boards. Maybe he was able to get his hands on a list from someone, but I highly doubt he is intelligent enough to pull that off.

I am not

V_RocKs · 12-28-2007, 01:15 AM

John, you won't discuss the criminal aspects here?

Shit... If you actually caught the guy and had him prosecuted I can think of no better way to deter this from happening again then by posting it here and in the mainstream press.

uno · 12-28-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

John, you won't discuss the criminal aspects here?

Shit... If you actually caught the guy and had him prosecuted I can think of no better way to deter this from happening again then by posting it here and in the mainstream press.

I think he means aspects of the ongiong criminal investigation.

12-22-2007, 08:39 PM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Is anybody interested in finding out who the culprit is or.. it's more fun to just poke John from NATS with a stick all day and night? this whole thing blew up right here on GFY when an upset paysite owner using NATS posted that he was getting angry emails from members who claimed they used unique email addresses to join the paysite and were soon after sent spam emails and blamed the paysite owner for selling their email addresses. so there is a trail out there to whomever stole these email addresses - let's see the spam emails - see what sites they promoted and hopefully affiliate ID's. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-22-2007, 08:40 PM	#2
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I don't think anyone will care. The bro network is too tight and there may be drinks lost if someone finds out and exposes the person. Seems people should be getting together, seeing where the spam was going to, and finding out who owned those accounts. This isn't rocket science, this is too sophisticated to just be some random hacker. Last edited by pocketkangaroo; 12-22-2007 at 08:41 PM..

12-22-2007, 08:50 PM	#4
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Albright isn't a 'bro' kinda guy - it is definitely in his company's best interest to find who is involved in this and if it led back to a well known individual or company maybe even a NATS client and they were outed it would be very good for NATS __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-22-2007, 08:58 PM	#6
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	We have already received a number of the emails that people's seeds got which we are sure are directly related to this. I said I wasn't going to talk about the security aspect here and I was dragged into doing so by the GFY posse. I am definitely not going to be discussing the criminal aspects of it here, but you can be assured we will be looking into it as intently as possible. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

12-22-2007, 08:59 PM	#7
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Wow someone acting sensibly. Instead of jumping all over TMM right smack in the middle of an obvious crisis situation, and in many cases without full details, someone's actually moving towards being part of the solution. I for one am going to be waiting until the aftermath, when the crisis has been managed and all the details are out before I start passing judgment about who did what and why. Right now it's time to nail the responsible party and take all nessecary actions to correct the problem, not place blame. __________________ .

12-22-2007, 10:42 PM	#13
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Frankly I suspect the culprit is already well known amongst the programs that take part in spam under the table... "should" be easy to track down... But I've got to say that if I was the owner of a couple of the bigger programs using nats and found out that my members were getting spammed due to this... and it was true that nats has known for awhile about this... I would be talking to my own lawyers about the damage to my companies reputation that had been done and what sort of legal actions were possible... nats seems to jump all over everyone when it comes to their reputation... I think someone should be reaming their ass out.

12-28-2007, 01:15 AM	#15
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	John, you won't discuss the criminal aspects here? Shit... If you actually caught the guy and had him prosecuted I can think of no better way to deter this from happening again then by posting it here and in the mainstream press.