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  • ServerGenius
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2002
    • 9377

    #1

    TMM and TMM / NATS clients Please explain this and SHOW me I'm wrong!!!!

    Ok below is a snipplet from a raw apache access log of a program who is using
    NATS.

    I've stripped out the ip of the server and other bits that contain other info
    which would reveal anything nobody would like to be revealed and things that
    aren't relevant to the issue.

    I won't disclose which program this is, the ip or anything else of that matter
    as it's irrelevant to the question I ask.....and like to get answered.

    I won't get into challenges to proof what is listed below as frankly I don't
    need to........If you don't believe anything you see awesome.....I won't
    try to change your mind or convince you of anything don't want to believe.

    I also have no interest to damage anyone with any of this neither is there
    anything to gain from by me just like there's nothng I could lose from by this
    or whatever you might want to make believe to.

    So why do I post this you wonder? Simply coz I wonder if what I think of it
    is true and if others who ARE affected by anything like this can ask
    themselves what that means to them. I don't have any grudge to anyone
    including TMM or anyone who works with them.

    The only other reason apart from wondering myself is that I occasionally
    assist others who use NATS and ask me questions I couldn't honestly answer
    too if I would leave things I'm aware off out of my answer......obviously that
    would mean it could bite myself in the ass for something I had no part in.

    Ok short explanation of what you see below

    Raw apache webserver access log from NATS server
    The script which is used for the exploit that was discovered
    The date which isn't as claimed 2 months ago but over 5 months ago
    IP from a range within sagonet their IP block. Sagonet is a different hosting
    provider who sells dedicated hosting only......so this IP isn't from an access
    provider.....it's from a server.....that server doesn't belong to the company
    and/or people who own the server the log is from.....so the ip listed should
    NOT be allowed to access the script listed in the loglines
    Status code for the request is 200 which means authorized and OK
    This should NEVER be 200 for the IP in the loglines.

    My question......please explain and show me this isn't the same output
    pattern as the current problem at hand of which TMM claims didn't occur
    before 2 months ago....

    I only show the lines from 1 server because I don't want to post anymore
    info needed to make my point.......but I do have the same from more than
    one hand full of other NATS installed servers who all belong to different
    programs and people.

    Think I'm bluffing.....cool, not my problem just like I don't feel the need
    to proof to anyone I am......make up your own mind.....don't try wasting
    your time by challenging me anything as I can tell you I won't bite and
    all it would do is wasting your time.

    php?action=add&add%5Busername%3A1%3A6%3A16%5D=fran k1&add%5Bpassword%3A1%3

    (obviously cutoff the password field)

    66.118.176.86 - - [30/Jul/2007:08:15:10 -0500] "GET /admin_reports.php?report=surfer_stats&member=34501 39 HTTP/1.1" 200 23742 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"
    66.118.176.86 - - [30/Jul/2007:08:15:13 -0500] "GET /admin_reports.php?report=surfer_stats&member=34501 26 HTTP/1.1" 200 31529 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"
    66.118.176.86 - - [30/Jul/2007:08:15:17 -0500] "GET /admin_reports.php?report=surfer_stats&member=34500 98 HTTP/1.1" 200 29778 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"
    66.118.176.86 - - [30/Jul/2007:08:15:21 -0500] "GET /admin_reports.php?report=surfer_stats&member=34500 68 HTTP/1.1" 200 30835 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"
    66.118.176.86 - - [30/Jul/2007:08:15:24 -0500] "GET /admin_reports.php?report=surfer_stats&member=34500 28 HTTP/1.1" 200 30210 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"
    66.118.176.86 - - [30/Jul/2007:08:15:27 -0500] "GET /admin_reports.php?report=surfer_stats&member=34500 22 HTTP/1.1" 200 30098 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"
    66.118.176.86 - - [30/Jul/2007:08:15:32 -0500] "GET /admin_reports.php?report=surfer_stats&member=34499 50 HTTP/1.1" 200 30038 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"
    66.118.176.86 - - [30/Jul/2007:08:15:35 -0500] "GET /admin_reports.php?report=surfer_stats&member=34499 08 HTTP/1.1" 200 29818 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"
    66.118.176.86 - - [30/Jul/2007:08:15:38 -0500] "GET /admin_reports.php?report=surfer_stats&member=34498 83 HTTP/1.1" 200 30483 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)"
    I'm looking forward to your reply and honestly hope I'm mistaken and when I do I'll gladly admit.....as I have said I'm not out to do any kind of damage to
    anyone who is envolved in all this.......just curious if what I see is what I think it is and if it is.....why nobody knew about it or keep it silent if they did.

    Try to ridicule me or make me look like an idiot and I will show you make a big mistake doing so.......I don't want to start drama but if you beg me for it
    I won't be too unpolite to don't give it to you ;-)

    That's not a threat and if you feel like it is.......well then I can only guess
    why you would.......and confirm it was a good idea to ask this question

    For all the people who don't care about any of this......let me ask you
    how many pages you think this thread will goto?

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  • Daruma
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2002
    • 3494

    #2
    this might be a 7+ pager..

    RIP TD

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    • ~Ray
      visit hardlinks.org
      • Jun 2003
      • 18361

      #3
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      • F U S I O N
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2006
        • 1898

        #4
        Where does it end??

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        • xclusive
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Apr 2004
          • 35218

          #5
          Can't wait to hear the reply

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          • L-Pink
            working on my tan
            • Mar 2005
            • 39151

            #6
            This is technically over my head but interesting as hell.

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            • sicone
              Retired
              • Jan 2004
              • 18453

              #7
              Ouch....

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              • CyberHustler
                Masterbaiter
                • Feb 2006
                • 28728

                #8
                My sig belongs in this thread
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                • BoyAlley
                  So Fucking Gay
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 19714

                  #9
                  Originally posted by sicone
                  Ouch....
                  x2

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                  • ARS Bryan
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                    • Dec 2005
                    • 875

                    #10
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                    • Juicy D. Links
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 122992

                      #11
                      Oy Vey Kanka


                      PS:


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                      • TMM_John
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2004
                        • 6664

                        #12
                        You are saying the IP blocking should be stopping them?

                        The IP blocking is done in NATS, not at the apache level. The apache request will still be 200, but the contents of the page will be blocked by the IP restriction.

                        If you mean something else then I misunderstood you and please explain further.


                        Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                        • ServerGenius
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2002
                          • 9377

                          #13
                          ehh till now I'm not claiming anything I wrote is shady or proofs anything bad at this point.......I won't do so until someone shows me I'm mistaking and wrong.
                          which is possible.......when they can't show me reasonably that I'm wrong I
                          might change my opinion about this

                          So until now.....don't assume what I wrote really is true or that I'm claiming it's true.......not just yet
                          Last edited by ServerGenius; 12-26-2007, 06:16 PM.
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                          • Daruma
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 3494

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ServerGenius
                            ehh till now I'm not claiming anything I wrote is shady or proofs anything bad at this point.......I won't do so until someone shows me I'm mistaking and wrong.
                            which is possible.......when they can't show me reasonably that I'm wrong I
                            might change my opinion about this

                            So until now.....don't assume what I wrote really is true or that I'm claiming it's true.......not just yet
                            but that didn't really address the question by PBucksJohn ??

                            RIP TD

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                            • BoyAlley
                              So Fucking Gay
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 19714

                              #15
                              Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                              You are saying the IP blocking should be stopping them?

                              The IP blocking is done in NATS, not at the apache level. The apache request will still be 200, but the contents of the page will be blocked by the IP restriction.

                              If you mean something else then I misunderstood you and please explain further.
                              What i'm noticing is that the request is coming in 200, but as you said if NATS is blocking them they'd be denied at the script level and still return a 200 code from apache. HOWEVER the size of the page being requested isn't the same each time, which makes me think actual data's being sent back instead of just a denial?

                              If it was just a denial by the script wouldn't each page size being displayed be consistent? Or no?

                              If i'm not mistaken the size returned doesn't include the header size, so any variance caused by those wouldn't account for that?
                              Last edited by BoyAlley; 12-26-2007, 06:21 PM.

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                              • TMM_John
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2004
                                • 6664

                                #16
                                Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                What i'm noticing is that the request is coming in 200, but as you said if NATS is blocking them they'd be denied at the script level and still return a 200 code from apache. HOWEVER the size of the page being requested isn't the same each time, which makes me think actual data's being sent back instead of just a denial?

                                If it was just a denial by the script wouldn't each page size being displayed be consistent? Or no?
                                That is a good question. I will have to ask the techs.

                                Also, as I said, I was a bit confused by his question. It was a worded a bit strangely. He mentioned 5 months ago. I have no way of knowing who this is or what they had or did not have setup. So it is hard to comment.

                                If he has a question or accusation he should ask or make it.


                                Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                • Trixxxia
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 5600

                                  #17
                                  SG can you tell me where I'd pull those reports?

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                                  • TMM_John
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • May 2004
                                    • 6664

                                    #18
                                    Also, we never said this issue did not occur prior to 2 months ago. We said we learned of it a few months ago. We are not 100% sure how long it as gone on for.

                                    Hasn't this all been covered already? Many times?


                                    Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                    • JD
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Sep 2003
                                      • 22651

                                      #19
                                      that sure is interesting...

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                                      • TMM_John
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • May 2004
                                        • 6664

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JD
                                        that sure is interesting...
                                        What about it is interesting?


                                        Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                        • BoyAlley
                                          So Fucking Gay
                                          • Nov 2004
                                          • 19714

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                          What about it is interesting?
                                          At the very least this might be an indication that his problem started happening months before anyone here originally thought.

                                          I would think nailing down the time of the initial problems would be "interesting", as from an investigative standpoint, it could aid in finding the person(s) responsible no?

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                                          • TMM_John
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2004
                                            • 6664

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                            At the very least this might be an indication that his problem started happening months before anyone here originally thought.

                                            I would think nailing down the time of the initial problems would be "interesting", as from an investigative standpoint, it could aid in finding the person(s) responsible no?
                                            I don't doubt it was going on 5 months prior. And I didn't think that is what he meant by interesting. You have to admit the original post had a strange tone to it. Whether that was intentional or not I don't know. I don't know SG to be the attacking type so it is probably just the way he speaks, but you know how GFY can interpret whatever they want and run with it.


                                            Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                            • WiredGuy
                                              Pounding Googlebot
                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 34512

                                              #23
                                              What does a denied page look like? Does it have the same file size each time its requested or does it contain some dynamic information? If its static, the file size should be the same each time, not quite what the log is showing.
                                              WG
                                              I play with Google.

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                                              • tony299
                                                lurker
                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 57021

                                                #24
                                                Too techie for me. lol

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                                                • TMM_John
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2004
                                                  • 6664

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                  What does a denied page look like? Does it have the same file size each time its requested or does it contain some dynamic information? If its static, the file size should be the same each time, not quite what the log is showing.
                                                  WG
                                                  I agree. As I said to BA I will have to ask the techs. I would assume that he did not have the IP restriction on 5 months ago. I have no way of knowing that as I don't know who it is and I have not spoken with them. SG did not say they had the restriction on, just that since it is at a different host it shouldn't be able to access it. That would require the restriction be on and setup properly. I can't speak to that.


                                                  Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                  • CarlosTheGaucho
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                    • 9553

                                                    #26
                                                    Gonna read this once again as I wake up tomorrow = interesting read as always Hans !
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                                                    • Doctor Dre
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                      • 51692

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                      I don't doubt it was going on 5 months prior. And I didn't think that is what he meant by interesting. You have to admit the original post had a strange tone to it. Whether that was intentional or not I don't know. I don't know SG to be the attacking type so it is probably just the way he speaks, but you know how GFY can interpret whatever they want and run with it.
                                                      Sounds like he's suspecting something but he dosen't want to attack anybody without definite proof.
                                                      Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                      I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                      • tical
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                        • 6504

                                                        #28
                                                        our old program amateurwealth had test signup emails getting spammed about 2-3 weeks after they were entered

                                                        BEFORE WE EVER ANNNOUNCED OR WENT LIVE

                                                        anyone who's been here for a while knows amateurwealth was a long time ago with epic jim, trey (pimpdogg) & myself

                                                        maybe the brand new server was hacked
                                                        maybe someone at paycom was selling lists
                                                        maybe this nats bug is WAY older than a few months (think at least a year)

                                                        thats all
                                                        112.020.756

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                                                        • ServerGenius
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                          • 9377

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                          That is a good question. I will have to ask the techs.

                                                          Also, as I said, I was a bit confused by his question. It was a worded a bit strangely. He mentioned 5 months ago. I have no way of knowing who this is or what they had or did not have setup. So it is hard to comment.

                                                          If he has a question or accusation he should ask or make it.
                                                          Hi,

                                                          I don't try to accuse anyone nor do I intend to. Also I haven't read all posts
                                                          and threads about all this so forgive me if I ask something that has been
                                                          answered once or many times before.

                                                          I also mentioned this isn't from my own servers/business as I don't use
                                                          NATS myself, this is from someone I assist with tech stuff and who asked
                                                          me about it......which only asked recently so that's why it wasn't brought
                                                          up before by me......perhaps the person has brought it up before as he did
                                                          mention asking some things earlier but the times he did he got replies that
                                                          both didn't answer his question as well as made clear it's better to don't
                                                          ask about it more or again........but that could have been something else
                                                          and I don't know or care to know exactly what was said.......

                                                          The question you asked regarding the status code that always would be
                                                          200 but not return the contents it normally returns already has been answered. Data that is returned isn't default or don't contain anything
                                                          as which the size of it shows......

                                                          I mentioned 2 months as I believed and understood that that was
                                                          said in a statement by you......if that's wrong....then I misunderstand
                                                          and stand corrected.

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                                                          • Doctor Dre
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                            • 51692

                                                            #30
                                                            AmateurWealth has only existed for a year ?
                                                            Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                            I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                            • TMM_John
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2004
                                                              • 6664

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by ServerGenius
                                                              Hi,

                                                              I don't try to accuse anyone nor do I intend to. Also I haven't read all posts
                                                              and threads about all this so forgive me if I ask something that has been
                                                              answered once or many times before.

                                                              I also mentioned this isn't from my own servers/business as I don't use
                                                              NATS myself, this is from someone I assist with tech stuff and who asked
                                                              me about it......which only asked recently so that's why it wasn't brought
                                                              up before by me......perhaps the person has brought it up before as he did
                                                              mention asking some things earlier but the times he did he got replies that
                                                              both didn't answer his question as well as made clear it's better to don't
                                                              ask about it more or again........but that could have been something else
                                                              and I don't know or care to know exactly what was said.......

                                                              The question you asked regarding the status code that always would be
                                                              200 but not return the contents it normally returns already has been answered. Data that is returned isn't default or don't contain anything
                                                              as which the size of it shows......

                                                              I mentioned 2 months as I believed and understood that that was
                                                              said in a statement by you......if that's wrong....then I misunderstand
                                                              and stand corrected.

                                                              I wasn't accusing you of accusing I was confused and if there is something I'm simply saying if we're more direct it will make it easier.

                                                              The response sizes varying is strange, but you can also see the same member ID requested 3 times with different sizes so that may be irrelevant. Again, I'm not exactly sure what the response with a restriction looks like so I can't comment on that at this point and I have no way of even knowing if the IP restriction was on for whoever this is back then.

                                                              You are correct, we became aware of an issue a few months ago, but thought we were sure the scope was much smaller. I would imagine it was going on prior to us first getting an indication of it.

                                                              You can also always ICQ me with questions and I'll be glad to help you.


                                                              Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

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                                                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                best designer on GFY
                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                • 30307

                                                                #32
                                                                Just cuz you can see the file does not mean you can access the file.

                                                                Thus nothing, I mean if ya ran this test and took it to the next level to view the file and saw the contents then you would have something.

                                                                So I do not know why ya made this thread, knowing that you were not able to access the contents.

                                                                These NATS threads are getting pretty boring.

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                                                                • notoldschool
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2007
                                                                  • 5687

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I would just ignore these posts to tell you the truth. Everyone wants to start shit. If they were important they would have asked in a better manner and it would have been through nats support. All these threads are lame.
                                                                  No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
                                                                  -- Learned Hand

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                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 19813

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Its not rocket science. I don't umderstand why people try to make it so.
                                                                    what happened Is simple and clear as day
                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                    • Catalyst
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                      • 3243

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I am going to have to re-read this..what am I not understanding..

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                                                                      • sortie
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Mar 2007
                                                                        • 7771

                                                                        #36
                                                                        I read everything posted here and still don't know WTF this is about.

                                                                        This thread better start delivering or I'm outta here!

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                                                                        • XSecurityAudit
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                                          • 79

                                                                          #37
                                                                          php?action=add&add%5Busername%3A1%3A6%3A16%5D= fran k1&add%5Bpassword%3A1%3
                                                                          Interesting. So was the user added via the automated bot? or was this user added by NATS itself?

                                                                          From the looks of the above it looks like an automated request as you can actually see the variables and content (i.e., the request was made using a GET and not a POST).

                                                                          Servergenius, what script was the add account request sent to?

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                                                                          • notoldschool
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                                            • 5687

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by sortie
                                                                            I read everything posted here and still don't know WTF this is about.

                                                                            This thread better start delivering or I'm outta here!
                                                                            all I get is something about gogo bots attacking a megatron string of magical code written by two fat men in a rubber room wearing tin foil hats that swear they were cheated out of 10 clicks from a softcore gallery on the hun.
                                                                            No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
                                                                            -- Learned Hand

                                                                            http://www.bjpenn.com

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                                                                            • ServerGenius
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                              • 9377

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                              I don't doubt it was going on 5 months prior. And I didn't think that is what he meant by interesting. You have to admit the original post had a strange tone to it. Whether that was intentional or not I don't know. I don't know SG to be the attacking type so it is probably just the way he speaks, but you know how GFY can interpret whatever they want and run with it.
                                                                              Yup you're right I'm not the attacking type and I don't mean or imply anything
                                                                              else than I tried to write......I'm Dutch so English isn't my first language...
                                                                              add a few drinks to that which doesn't improve my english skills. That's why
                                                                              I posted after seeing the first replies that I don't accuse or claim anything
                                                                              or even what I posted is true and couldn't be a mistake I made......which
                                                                              I also stated wouldn't be possible to be a mistake or misinterpretation I made
                                                                              from what I noticed and thought it could be.......I hope you can understand
                                                                              this a bit better than my first post.....if not please let me know....and I'll try
                                                                              again to explain what I really mean
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                                                                              • TMM_John
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • May 2004
                                                                                • 6664

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by ServerGenius
                                                                                Yup you're right I'm not the attacking type and I don't mean or imply anything
                                                                                else than I tried to write......I'm Dutch so English isn't my first language...
                                                                                add a few drinks to that which doesn't improve my english skills. That's why
                                                                                I posted after seeing the first replies that I don't accuse or claim anything
                                                                                or even what I posted is true and couldn't be a mistake I made......which
                                                                                I also stated wouldn't be possible to be a mistake or misinterpretation I made
                                                                                from what I noticed and thought it could be.......I hope you can understand
                                                                                this a bit better than my first post.....if not please let me know....and I'll try
                                                                                again to explain what I really mean
                                                                                I think I get what you mean now. I figured your English may be an issue but it usually seems to be pretty good. The drinks explain it a bit more tho


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                                                                                • DatingGold
                                                                                  $6 PER EMAIL JOiN
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 13185

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  lots of beating around the bush
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                                                                                  • JFK
                                                                                    FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                    • 67373

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                    This is technically over my head but interesting as hell.
                                                                                    yeah

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                                                                                    • Iron Fist
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Dec 2006
                                                                                      • 23400

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Yawn...

                                                                                      i like waffles

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                                                                                      • BoyAlley
                                                                                        So Fucking Gay
                                                                                        • Nov 2004
                                                                                        • 19714

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        TMM John have you contacted the FBI yet about the breach of your system and the stolen password file that lead to all of this?

                                                                                        With the spamming that took place as a result, it looks like HUGE money could potentially have been made by the criminals involved here.

                                                                                        I'm confident that the FBI would get involved, trace the money through the sponsors being promoted in those spams, and help catch the criminals and bring them to justice.

                                                                                        I haven't heard this being talked about yet?

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                                                                                        • TMM_John
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                          • 6664

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                                                                          TMM John have you contacted the FBI yet about the breach of your system and the stolen password file that lead to all of this?

                                                                                          With the spamming that took place as a result, it looks like HUGE money could potentially have been made by the criminals involved here.

                                                                                          I'm confident that the FBI would get involved, trace the money through the sponsors being promoted in those spams, and help catch the criminals and bring them to justice.

                                                                                          I haven't heard this being talked about yet?
                                                                                          That is all being done under the advisement of counsel. Fortunately I do not get my legal advice from GFY. Lots of people here think they know everything about the law and you'd be amazed how little they do know. I have also been advised not to discuss it at this point. You can be assured tho that we want whoever this is found and punished more than anyone else.


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                                                                                          • ninavain
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                                            • 6268

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Daruma
                                                                                            this might be a 7+ pager..
                                                                                            No this shit is gonna be a 10-pager, I bet $50 on it

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                                                                                            • TheDoc
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                              • 13827

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              ServerGenius - I think the pattern would be the same. This is the simplest and easiest way to get member data and insert member records.

                                                                                              And from the Apache exploit to Johns serve getting hacked, all of it. Yeah.. they prob are related, some what. These people's job is to get into affiliate programs for user/pass details, as mind blowing stupid as that sounds to some people, it is true. Yes, they sell the emails too, and that's what leads to the money train.
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                                                                                              • CyberHustler
                                                                                                Masterbaiter
                                                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                                                • 28728

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                wow.............
                                                                                                “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                • CyberHustler
                                                                                                  Masterbaiter
                                                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                                                  • 28728

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Crazy shit.........
                                                                                                  “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                  • CyberHustler
                                                                                                    Masterbaiter
                                                                                                    • Feb 2006
                                                                                                    • 28728

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    over 50 NATS threads
                                                                                                    “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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