As mentioned in this thread previously by Uno, our 'version' of nats, has been 'customized' to such extent, we no longer recieve updates from NATS(TMM). This also means we have been taking measures to prevent issues such as this one, via additional security measures that were taken almost 2 years ago.

In a nutshell: Our information is safe.

This is a constant struggle for all of us and we're doing our best to make sure our systems and sites are as safe as they can be, on a continuous basis.

I am sorry to see others have problems, but it is definately not the case for us.

Search in the history dumb bitch.
I have long stood against NATS/Porngraph for quite some time.

So technically you're not really "with NATS" then ...

maybe so, but they certainly don't fail when it comes to compromising users PC's, or allowing 'rogue' affiliates to steal content from other programs and promote Quickbuck join pages, or using other malware to pop your join pages over other programs join pages.

smokey, let me ask you this, wouldnt there inherently be another backdoor that nats uses to get into the server to report back to nats what plan level the account is at for billing purposes?

That is correct. But it 'still' is their software, so i prefered to clarify. :)

Rico - if you have a moment, could you hit me up please?

Thanks

more like industry cheaters

aren't these the same guys that only show 1 out of every 100 hits that end up in their system?

yeah, you may have 1:100 ratios, but they are only counting 10% of your traffic, hahaha

when I was a drug dealer my sister in law kept telling me for 3 years that I would eventually get busted

sure enough, after drug dealing for 3 years I got busted

does that make her right? lol

Kind sir, would you be interested in some swampland and a couple of bridges I have for sale?

Sure at the same time I grab some of that traffic adept traffic.:1orglaugh

Given how gullible you are, you probably wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. :)

and could you please explain the the world what exactly i am gullible about?
If you got some dirty secret about how Ron Paul voted a certain way, did cocaine in college, cheated on two wives, voted for the war, voted for bigger goverment, voted for preemptive invasions of nations that have no chance of hurting us, PLEASE FILL ME IN.

ps. please provide facts with your assumptions.

:1orglaugh yes it does.
You should also stop dippin' into your supply :1orglaugh

Aliens a moron, but even a broken clocks right 2 times a day.

no you have the wrong sponsor, nastydollars and bangbros have pretty close stats , your thinking of sponsors like realitycash .

Math obviously isn't your forte.

at least realitycash says they count "qualified hits" or whatever

bangbros just doesn't count hits...AT ALL

I sent them at least 10,000 hits a while back and saw maybe 100-200 in their admin

i believe there were a few more affiliates that posted on gfy about the same problem....they sent a bunch of hits and maybe saw 10-20% showed up in the admin

the fact is, the adult industry STINKS to high heaven these days, cheaters and scammers have run wild for years now, and that seems to be all that is left

hell, even a few of the largest program owners have been publicly OUTED for scamming or cheating affiliates, and they still get high fives!!!!

you got that right, I suck at math, completely

but if you missed the point then intelligence isn't your forte

Everything is hackable, every program, every server, every host, at some point, some software, something can have an sql, apache, unix, nats, email from - ect related.. Very common.

NATS has never had a way to approve/disapprove an affiliates sale, ever. Please get your facts straight before posting such slander.

so does bangbros
i don't disagree there , i have noticed similar things with bangbros but there are lots of other factors such as a qualified hit may be a "unique" ip not a "unique" hit for your ref code

nastydollars counts hits perfect

but hey you are arguing a moot point , i think most webmasters have noticed nats sponsors don't convert as well whatever the stats say. , all my top sponsors use custom backends.

can't argue with that for the most part :1orglaugh

See which post of yours I originally quoted and you might understand.

Any chance you got link to that thread?
What was the justification for having this feature and what were programs responses in regards to it? Sounds like just an anti-fraud kind of thing, but first I heard of it and now I want more info.

NATS Does NOT have a feature like this and never has. His information is incorrect.

holy fuck !!!!

That's what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up.

I believe that was for Fleshlight? The anti fraud delayed payout thingo.

It was flash cash with free signups doing a pay it forward program that webmasters didn't like. Just a bad payout idea is all it was.

No the first point isn't arguable. All software online is hackable or can be exploited. Due to the way software works with other software, it happens every day across 1000's of servers. And all passwords are reversible, If I have your encrypted pw it's only a matter of time before I can crack it.

Verified Sales isn't new, CE did it years ago and so have many others. Old ideas don't always work in the new markets.

flashcash. there we go. Half the letters were right :)

Let's go over your points again..

1) Every NATS program has master accounts, it's the owners job to turn them on and off.

2) Not only 1 affiliate program, 6 total now have posted and I'm sure 100's of others used the IP security features.

3) NATS passwords are reversable? Yeah and?

4) They acually do and did change admin passwords.. Just not enough with a strong enough policy. Like the Program owners they thought the security was strong.

5) NATS has left old source code on the servers, which has changed several times. It's nothing big, it's encrypted and able to be reversed to some degree.

6) inpentrable fortress as you stated, and again everything online can be hacked or exploited, so "assuming" this is your mistake.

7) SQL injects, NATS has had this problem before and it was corrected. So has other affiliate packages, hosted galleries, software all over the net is open to SQL injects. It's a continual battle to stay on top of these top of exploits and nats has acually done a pretty good job with this.

And I did debunk your statement because it's wrong, you stated "NATs has a built in feature that allows program owners to approve/disapprove an affiliates sale" That is flat wrong.

Any other points that need to be covered?

Smokey,

Just curious but what steps did Mayors take to secure the data? I bet this would be of great interest to all the other programs so they could duplicate the security measures...that is of coarse if you can share that info.

Wonder myself what they did... :thumbsup

Are you really that slow?

6, but really it's 100's that are protected and only a few programs overall have even posted in this thread, it's a weekend.

Ok, how do we read the passwords if we can't reverse them? Someone posted something and you just hang on it.

I have access to NATS source too, I did answer this. They have left old source code from previous nats versions. Nothing new, nothing wrong with that either.

Yes your statement is wrong.. NATS users COULD NEVER add or remove sales, EVER.. Understand that word? EVER .. A pay it forward system based on member logins for FREE TRIALS is not a add/remove sales system. Do YOU understand that? Your statement is wrong, pure wrong.

Just like you repeating that NATS "might" store Credit Card Data. Since you clearly do not know anything about NATS, why don't you sstop posting and spreading more false bullshit.

They used the built in NATS IP security and locking features for the NATS admin and don't allow TMM to have accounts until the directly request it.

Honestly, several, if not 100's of NATS programs run this way.

LOL not reading between the lines... this really went over you head :winkwink:

Oh yeah they host with you guys, forgot that...

Actually, I'm a NATS consultant, for great deal of NATS clients, I do not work for NATS or with NATS on anything. The reason I am not able to login and check many clients is because my IP isn't added and my Password changed months ago from standard security sweeps that "hundreds" of programs acually do make.

I know for a fact Mayors (I'm the one that looked) doesn't have admin accounts for TMM. I know others don't as well, and I know many use the IP lock system and you have to ask them each time you want access to add you back.

You do not have to have Admin Accounts for TMM, they don't force this. You can also create/give TMM any admin user/pass when you wish. You can add/remove their IP (like many do) each time they need access. You have 100% total control over everything as the program owner.

I didn't think of this simple wonder either, Score-cash told me to do it like 3 years ago.

See you missed "understanding" this, let me explain it again. Having the "old source" means nothing when I can crack/decode the encoded source code. It's encoded to keep clients from screwing with it and to secure it so it can be stolen/duplicated across servers/sites.

Nothing is secure online, tired of saying that.

I'm giving up on this. I can only assume you don't understand what this is and what it means. It's not a tool that can add/remove signups controlled by the admin, it's nothing like to or even related to that at all. So I'm done with this one unless you need me to explain what that is.

No, I think I have only met John once, on the show floor, at his booth. I have met a few others of his staff but I don't recall any drinks. I have had drinks with the MPA guys.. By your logic I should attacking nats, eh?