See which post of yours I originally quoted and you might understand.

Any chance you got link to that thread?
What was the justification for having this feature and what were programs responses in regards to it? Sounds like just an anti-fraud kind of thing, but first I heard of it and now I want more info.

NATS Does NOT have a feature like this and never has. His information is incorrect.

holy fuck !!!!

That's what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up.

I believe that was for Fleshlight? The anti fraud delayed payout thingo.

It was flash cash with free signups doing a pay it forward program that webmasters didn't like. Just a bad payout idea is all it was.

No the first point isn't arguable. All software online is hackable or can be exploited. Due to the way software works with other software, it happens every day across 1000's of servers. And all passwords are reversible, If I have your encrypted pw it's only a matter of time before I can crack it.

Verified Sales isn't new, CE did it years ago and so have many others. Old ideas don't always work in the new markets.

flashcash. there we go. Half the letters were right :)

Let's go over your points again..

1) Every NATS program has master accounts, it's the owners job to turn them on and off.

2) Not only 1 affiliate program, 6 total now have posted and I'm sure 100's of others used the IP security features.

3) NATS passwords are reversable? Yeah and?

4) They acually do and did change admin passwords.. Just not enough with a strong enough policy. Like the Program owners they thought the security was strong.

5) NATS has left old source code on the servers, which has changed several times. It's nothing big, it's encrypted and able to be reversed to some degree.

6) inpentrable fortress as you stated, and again everything online can be hacked or exploited, so "assuming" this is your mistake.

7) SQL injects, NATS has had this problem before and it was corrected. So has other affiliate packages, hosted galleries, software all over the net is open to SQL injects. It's a continual battle to stay on top of these top of exploits and nats has acually done a pretty good job with this.

And I did debunk your statement because it's wrong, you stated "NATs has a built in feature that allows program owners to approve/disapprove an affiliates sale" That is flat wrong.

Any other points that need to be covered?

Smokey,

Just curious but what steps did Mayors take to secure the data? I bet this would be of great interest to all the other programs so they could duplicate the security measures...that is of coarse if you can share that info.

Wonder myself what they did... :thumbsup

Are you really that slow?

6, but really it's 100's that are protected and only a few programs overall have even posted in this thread, it's a weekend.

Ok, how do we read the passwords if we can't reverse them? Someone posted something and you just hang on it.

I have access to NATS source too, I did answer this. They have left old source code from previous nats versions. Nothing new, nothing wrong with that either.

Yes your statement is wrong.. NATS users COULD NEVER add or remove sales, EVER.. Understand that word? EVER .. A pay it forward system based on member logins for FREE TRIALS is not a add/remove sales system. Do YOU understand that? Your statement is wrong, pure wrong.

Just like you repeating that NATS "might" store Credit Card Data. Since you clearly do not know anything about NATS, why don't you sstop posting and spreading more false bullshit.

They used the built in NATS IP security and locking features for the NATS admin and don't allow TMM to have accounts until the directly request it.

Honestly, several, if not 100's of NATS programs run this way.

LOL not reading between the lines... this really went over you head :winkwink:

Oh yeah they host with you guys, forgot that...

Actually, I'm a NATS consultant, for great deal of NATS clients, I do not work for NATS or with NATS on anything. The reason I am not able to login and check many clients is because my IP isn't added and my Password changed months ago from standard security sweeps that "hundreds" of programs acually do make.

I know for a fact Mayors (I'm the one that looked) doesn't have admin accounts for TMM. I know others don't as well, and I know many use the IP lock system and you have to ask them each time you want access to add you back.

You do not have to have Admin Accounts for TMM, they don't force this. You can also create/give TMM any admin user/pass when you wish. You can add/remove their IP (like many do) each time they need access. You have 100% total control over everything as the program owner.

I didn't think of this simple wonder either, Score-cash told me to do it like 3 years ago.

See you missed "understanding" this, let me explain it again. Having the "old source" means nothing when I can crack/decode the encoded source code. It's encoded to keep clients from screwing with it and to secure it so it can be stolen/duplicated across servers/sites.

Nothing is secure online, tired of saying that.

I'm giving up on this. I can only assume you don't understand what this is and what it means. It's not a tool that can add/remove signups controlled by the admin, it's nothing like to or even related to that at all. So I'm done with this one unless you need me to explain what that is.

No, I think I have only met John once, on the show floor, at his booth. I have met a few others of his staff but I don't recall any drinks. I have had drinks with the MPA guys.. By your logic I should attacking nats, eh?