I agree, but abortion is one of those hot button issues. If you come out pro-life or pro-choice you instantly alienate a large selection of the popluation.

Yea.... sad but true.

How is he planning on pushing all these changes through? A president that doesn't abuse his power isn't really that powerful. Doesn't he have to get all these changes pushed through some court/branch bs?

I have heard him speak, but I'm really interesting knowing 'how' he plans on getting things done. He can spew ideas all day - I want to know what action will be taken to make those ideas to to life.

Radical as in he wants to pretty much do away with everything the govt run and let big business do it. We see how well big business runs health insurance and how Halliburton overcharges tax payers.

Yet Ron Paul somehow thinks that big business would do a better job than the govt for pretty much everything. Things liker the Post Office.. Schools.. Dept of Transportation ect ect.. He wants to get rid of it all and let big business run it.

One thing that Big Business has shown me is they will always worry about profit first then what service they provide. We don't need every thing in our country based on that idea.

He has some good ideas but he just goes way the fuck overboard. If he would stick to a few key things like standing up for our Constitution and running a organized govt, well then he might be a front runner.

Does all of this mean the revolution will not be televised, but will be shown on youtube?

I'm going to say you won't see it on Fox News.

Slight correction... he thinks the "free market" can handle things better, not necessarily big business. In true free markets (at least as true as they can ever be), business have a much harder time getting as big as they do, now.

Bureaucracy and big government provide a much bigger opportunity for the intermingling of business and government. It can help prop up big business while killing the little guys through over burdensome regulation. Businesses simply buy the bureaucrats and buy regulations.

Who said he wanted to give health to big biz? You of course are showing your ingnorance to his past and present. he wants the failure of what we call the federal goverement, which is BIG BIZ, and give it back to the states like the consitution was intended.

You guys and your post sound much more like something a wacko would say than anything Paul is talking about. Expand your mind. Educate yourself, and then form a real opinion. Spitting out the same shit they say on Cnn does not make you smart on issues.

He's just going to have to work with congress. Even if he couldnt accomplish anything, it would be awesome to put a guy like Ron Paul in the oval office, simply for the veto power.

If he can keep his approval ratings above that of congress, they will really have no choice other than to work with him on some of his goals.

Oops, in that last post I meant to quote:

Didnt mean to quote you crockett

Because raising hemp is not legal yet.

What I find amusing about the Ron Paul supporters is their belief that the President of the US has the power to "just do things."

It doesn't really work like that. He could win by a landslide, but it doesn't make him dictator with the power to make the sweeping changes he talks about.

Even the simple shit like leaving the UN would be difficult, much less getting rid of the IRS "immediately."

Who said doing the right thing should be easy? You sound like a quitter to me. Always have an excuse why it wont work.

Well appearantly he's not to fond of the republican field since he's chosen to run. If he was satisfied that one of the other 8 guys could do the job he would be supporting that guy not running against him.

ABout him saying he won't run as an independant? That's BS he will. first of all he HAS to say he won't. He still thinks he's got a shot at the GOP nomination. You don't say "Well if you fuckers don't support me I'll just run as an independant anyways".

The people that are suporting him now will DEMAND he run as an independant. If he believes in what he is doing so strongly how can he NOT run. Also there is the posibility of the Libertarian Party nominating him which would actually make it easier for him to get on the ballots in all of the states.

Siphoning votes from the right? If only 5% of republicans suport him now how many votes from right could he possibly siphon off in a general election?

This guy begs to differ

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ge-W-Bush.jpeg

Health care is already run by big biz and this country's helth care system sucks unless you are rich. I used that as a perfect example as to why the "free market" can't be trusted to run essential things. Free Market in this country pretty much means Big Business.

Who do you think would end up taking over that kinda stuff? It damn sure wouldn't be Uncle Joe's small company from hillbilly town in Kansas. It would be the giant corporations that have already fucked everything up in this country.

Can't believe I read the whole thing. I will try to be nice.

You should be his campaign manager.

That is because you don't understand the meaning of the word in the context it was used.

:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I just know you are going to be fun.


There is a difference between pleasing constituents in a district and convincing a country.

It isn't like he has been holding office non-stop there even. he has represented Texas districts in the U.S. House of Representatives (1976?1977, 1979?1985, and 1997?present).

I have a question . . . are we supposed to think you are a Republican trying to save the White House from those pesky Democrats?


Can't wait to see how much air time he gets here.


I like you, but this is why the used to not let women vote. He does not have the power to eliminate taxes, and yes, as a matter of fact, we need taxes.

I am wondering why we need a President at all. Why don't we all just become independent nations, like Europe, South America, Africa and Asia?

You do realize that Ron Paul is lying too, right?

Okay, sorry . . . so why are people like rebel so adamant that Ron Paul can win?

More than that.

Okay, see that is the problem. I would hope he is lying to us, because if he actually believes he can make the changes he wants then he is delusional.

ummm, how would that work? Eliminate the IRS and taxes and debt disappears? Can you explain that so I can utilize it at a very local level?

Thank you in advance.

Yeah, just what we need, four years of nothing being accomplished. Are you a Republican?

Pay attention. He said he would immediately get rid of the IRS. That is just one thing. Just how immediate do you think that is in reality?

*shrug*..... and I have none myself.

That doesn't even make sense as a response. I will take that as a sign of submission.

If I was going for a post count, wouldn't I have answered each individually?

Solid point and thank you.

However, I'm only 32 and a pretty disgruntled and apathetic as a US citizen. I just want to know the actual downside to what the RP people speak of. You seem against a lot of RP (Ron Paul) bullshit on this board which is lovely; makes the board fun.

Some thoughts: Has he ever spoke of disbanding everything he says he wants to immediately or over a period of time? How do you vote; you go candidate or party?

Blah blah blah.

I must agree with many in this thread, though, RP has a snowball's chance in hell doing anything, other than spending funds he got in a dying chance while college interns working for him eventually move on to being the lobbyists / politicians elected into office and doing nothing for me.

I'll just leave this thread now.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh hilarious

Chris Dodd > Ron Paul

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because you're a fucking reatrd that can't read.
Let me expalin like you're a small child

"What I find amusing about the Ron Paul supporters is their belief that the President of the US has the power to "just do things.""

Ummm hasn't Bush been "just doing things" for 7 fucking years now?

http://www.clemson.edu/newsroom/spec...ll_details.htm

Regarding the thread's question. Here is a poll from a few months back.

Q1. Please tell me if you have ever heard of the following candidates for president and if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him/her?

Republicans Heard of Favorable Unfavorable

1. R. Giuliani 99% 63% 25%

2. J. McCain 97% 52% 35%

3. N. Gingrich 95% 54% 27%

4. M. Romney 87% 62% 14%

5. F. Thompson 83% 65% 7%

6. M. Huckabee 69% 48% 8%

7. S. Brownback 57% 33% 10%

8. R. Paul 40% 24% 22%

9. D. Hunter 32% 37% 14%

10. T. Tancredo 30% 38% 12%

So there you have it. 99% of those polled have heard of Giuliani. Only 40% have even HEARD of Ron Paul. Then compare favorability. Giulani is 63% favorable, Paul is 24%. Most people who've heard of Paul don't even have much of an opinion about him.

Paul has two problems. Large numbers of people haven't even heard of him and of those who have they don't seem to know enough about him to form a strong opinion. Paul's 22% "unfavorable" isn't a good sign either. Higher than the average candidates un favorability.

Yea, I'm pretty sure thats just what we need actually. How many new laws do we really need? I'm registered independent, but will be switching to republican to vote for RP in the primaries.

Getting the government to live and spend within its means is all part of his plan to get rid of the IRS. Getting rid of the IRS is the last step in a very long , arduous process, that would only happen in the first place unless congress works with him.

This is part of Ron Paul's problem... people just don't comprehend or actually bother to listen to what he *actually* says.

hey baddog, since you put in the effort to do multiple quotes like that you deserve a reply to your main points

things Ron Paul can do immediately:
A President has carte blance over foreign policy, as commander in chief Ron Paul has not been directed by the Congress through a declaration of war to fight in any foreign nation, as such he would order the Generals to formulate withdrawal from Iraq, Korea, Germany etc. and start to massively scale down bases

He can tell the DoJ/DEA (or whoever it is) to stop going after medical marijuana patients and leave people and businesses in states like CA who have legalized it alone

there are lots of other things he can do immediately but as you know there's lots of things he needs the congress for and may not be able to do or would take a lot of time, he will also have the Veto pen and can veto any legislation the Congress passes that he see's as unconstitutional

alot of big businesses in America are reliant on "corporate welfare", Haliburton is one of those, they would stand to lose alot under a Ron Paul presidency as he would try and limit the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against.

before you go knocking that #, why don't you get us a sample of the # of supporters who have donated a median of $50 per household from any other politician this year

think its much over 100,000?

The other thing to think about too... is with such a strong and large federal government, we've really streamlined the process of government corruption. The federal gov is our single point of failure. If big business wants to buy influence of government to squeeze out competition, they only have to go to one place to do it.. washington.

Putting more regulatory power back into state government hands, now makes it much harder and far less likely for one corporation to corrupt policy that affects the entire country. It will also make it much less cost effective for companies to purchase government influence, and much harder for them to actually see a return on the investment.

In cases where corruption happens, it will be far easier to mobilize movements of people within your state to clean up the mess, rather than trying to mobilize the entire country to clean up washington, when bad policies become entrenched.

wow 18.4 Million .. well this guy is doing something right
lol

That doesnt mean they wont hear of them. Seems that atleast not all the media outlets can completely make him invisible to the masses.


BTW nothing you posted there means hes NOT the best candidate, unless of course if you are one of those special people we call Evangelical Christians who are having the second coming of the Christian crusades, trying to realign the middle east the way they want.

BTW if things keep going the way they are GFY will be gone from the internet within 5 years. bet on that.

There's no such thing as a BEST candidate. There are personal preferences for how one would like the world to be. One person likes Hillary Clinton's worldview and direction. Another doesn't. Neither is right or wrong.

Hey Baddog, one of the few things any president 'could' acually pull off is killing off of the IRS. Yes, it would take some serious work but the IRS isn't really part of the Gov. It really does illegally take money from you.

We could easily replace it with a base sales tax for personal and business purchases. But you would still need a department to regulate people/companies that don't report/pay.

Now going back to the gold standard, I think the President has as much power as me and you on this subject.

rebel23 said it best I guess.. Lots of things could be changed or blocked quickly, unscrewing many little things. I think he needs to be more voicing on what/how he is acually going to do it. It took us 130 years to fuck the system up, add in bushs 8 years of blatant disregard of the constitution... It makes me wonder how a man can archive such positive change in a short time period and not screw it all up in another way.

Subject Jump.... Iraq, we just can't pull out and run. We fucked up a country, we can stop the war but we can't run and hide. Like it or not we will be left with cleaning up Bush shit.

ok, i just read his Ideas on his site, the guy is nuz!!!!!!!!

That may be true, but I agree with Paul when he talks about our plans for Iraq, and establishing huge permanent presence in the middle east... in other words, doing the same kind of thing that galvanizes and incites the radicals to hate us in the first place. He's the only candidate I see out there, addressing it from this perspective.

The other thing he talks about, is how we continually interfere with Israel and their politics. Left to their own devices, theres a good chance they would have solved many of the problems in the middle east on their own already.

Since war was never declared in Iraq, he could pull out the troops like someone else said. But then it would be congresses responsibility to actually declare war, and then he would have no choice but to execute and carry out congress's declaration.

the whole of IA, NH, SC and NV know who he is (or will do) so that doesn't matter, they will vault him or so that's the plan. Guiliani and others have already been driven out of the Northeast by the Ron Paul revolution and are regrouping and pinning their hopes on Florida which is much more later down the line

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zihgr8ZrLa4

See the video within the video, since it was the first I found.

I vote by candidate, not by party. Haven't voted by party lines since I was in my early 20's.

Rebel, you never answered my question. Are we supposed to believe that you are a Republican that is trying to save the White House from the Democrats?

If I missed your response, I apologize.

Well, youre judging what would be a very complicated, lengthy process by a 10 second sound bite. He's talked about it in many other videos about what is involved in actually gettting to the point where it would be possible to eliminate the income tax, and the IRS. The first step in that process is to get the government operating with in its means... to stop the out of control borrowing, and to cut government spending. A monumental task in and of itself, and its doubtful that first step could even be accomplished in one presidents term.

Since one of the RP's already stated that you guys know he isn't going to win, I don't really see the point of continuing to debate the matter.

Too bad kids these days have no organization or passion.