Everyone always wants to ignore the important issues and go straight to the "he has no chance of winning" bullshit. Who cares if he wins or not, the Revolution is more important... and it isn't going to go away just because Ron Paul goes away in the upcoming election...

And I see people calling Ron Paul names like nutjob and wacko... wtf? What is so "nutty" about him? I agree with his views on practically everything (I don't see why Americans wouldn't), so I guess I'm a fucking nutjob too...

You are cherry picking a few items. The Republican platform looks nothing like the Libertarian platform. Compare today's Republicans with Libertarians on these issues; legalization of drugs, social rights of the individual, freedom from government search, laws to force a balanced budget, pornography. These parties are as far apart from each other as Democrats and Republicans.

Yeah, all my life I've heard Republicans campaign on smaller government. They don't actually do it. Bush and co. gave us Medicare D prescriptions. He campaigned on it. Medicare D is the biggest annual increase in social welfare spending in something like 40 years.I prefer to judge them by their actions and not their words. Republicans have a record of big spending. Permanent increased spending is increased taxation. Just that the tax increase will come in the future. Republicans, like the Democrats are equally big spenders now. And why not? The voters LOVE it. look at all those senior citizens voting for whomever promises increased medicare spending. That's a pretty big block of voters.

Errrrr, yeah.

Well I guess it isn't important if you don't care about the future of this country... Keep electing the lying pieces of shit who are in the elites' pockets...

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What a surprise. You're basically calling me a nutjob because I support Ron Paul. Wow, we are really getting somewhere here...

What revolution? Paul will get a few votes in the primary and be largely forgotten about. 4 years from now the Republicans and Democrats will still be spending their asses off and the Libertarian party will manage about 1/3 of 1% of the election night votes.

ADL you're taking the time to pick apart my quotes and shit instead of discussing the issues (which is all that really matters). So it is obvious what your agenda is... you just want to talk shit and make fun of Ron Paul supporters. Get another hobby... you remind me of the msm...

What revolution? Do you think Ron Paul pulled over $6 Million in one day out of his ass or something? All of that money came from regular American citizens. Do you know where most of the other candidates get their donations from? I'll give you one guess lol...

And another thing... everyone knows Ron Paul's main support comes from the Internet, which is basically younger people. So these ideas of freedom and liberty and championing the Constitution will remain in the minds of the youth. Even at my school (Sac State) I see Ron Paul shit all over the place and he has even come up in discussions during class. This shit is bigger than Ron Paul... so quit repeating that he "has no chance" because we already know that... let it go...

I agree with a lot of the libertarian platform. You're confusing my beliefs with what I think will happen in the election. Paul will get stomped and be forgotten about.

Look, I like the Miami Dolphins more than the New England Patriots but I think the Patriots will destroy them. Do you think I am a closet Patriots fan for stating that? If I give you 10 reasons for why I think the Pats will win does that increase the odds that I am a closet Patriots fan? If a buncha Dolphins fans start 5 threads the day of the game and they are adamant about how they will win and I think they are completely silly does that mean I don't like the Dolphins?

The thread title is "Why is Ron Paul not higher in the polls".

Actually the polls are almost always correct. Two weeks before the Iowa caucus Jerry was polling in last place. Three days before the election he was polling in first place. Let's check Ron Paul out a few days before the election and I would bet he finishes within a few points of where that poll puts him.

Fred Thompson just said on TV that the polls and media are almost always incorrect, so I guess you and ol' Fred disagree on that...

Exactly.. The fed is here to protect the people and with abortion they did that by stepping in and protecting a womens right to choose. The same thing they did for the adult industry with the first amendment cases protecting us from being banned/blocked and pushed out cities/states across the country. An on going battle that still takes place today.

Many states population are twisted, super right wing, Christians that want to only control the minds of others. I do not want those people, including Huckabee, making any type of decisions for others in our population.

Now, the ideas of Ron Paul are great but it does not mean he has the solution.

I hate to be the albatross here but I think you are pretty far off base. yes, he has gotten a ton of donations from the internet and from individuals. But do those really mean anything? Not really. Every election there is someone like this. In the last election is was Howard Dean. He was polling first, but still got a ton of support from his website and from individual supporters. He disappeared and there was no revolution.

When you say words like revolution it immediately turns most people off and these college kids and internet kids really can't seem to be bothered to lead a revolution in any other place but an online forum. In the last election Kerry was very proud of the fact that he had registered a record number of under 21 and first time voters. He expected those young voters to take him to the white house. But on election day most of them didn't even bother to vote. I saw on thing on the news shortly after that election that showed of all the newly registered voters only about 1/3rd of them actually showed up. How can their be a revolution lead by the younger people of this country if they can't even be bothered to get off their ass for an hour to vote?

He does have the solution. We all have the solution... it's called the Constitution.

Oh, come on. The issues we could just discuss are just the same old recycled stuff. We've both heard it all a million times before.

I mean, there's nothing new going on here. Everything Ron Paul is saying has been said before.

And Clinton and Giuliani sure aren't offering anything new. YAWWWWWWN.

Spot on :thumbsup

That is because he is down in the polls. If you are not in the lead you tell people polls can't be correct because you want your supporters to still believe in you.

The United Nations uses the same polling companies the our news channels and papers do in order to monitor elections in third world countries. They do this because polling is very accurate and in a few cases the data from polls has actually been used to prove elections to be rigged and bring about lawsuits and reelections.

How the poll is done really is the main source of how accurate it is. If the poll is done by a third party and is done correctly (which many of the big polls we see on the news are) they can almost always be counted on to be extremely accurate.

You can make a poll skew anyway you want, but when you look at the big companies that do this type of thing year in year out they are almost never wrong.

I see what you're saying, but you can't really compare Howard Dean and Ron Paul. Ron Paul has helped to awaken Americans (some at least) on how messed up the whole system is right now and how we have lost our way. Most people don't even know about how the Federal Reserve works and how we are no longer on the gold standard. The "revolution" is more like an intellectual awakening. I think the fact that the important things that Ron Paul has been saying have actually been heard thanks to the Internet and the debates is what is most important.

My Dad said it best when he told me "Telling the truth is political suicide in this country." Unfortunately he is correct, but this time around it is a bit different thanks to the free exchange of ideas on the Internet... I believe the message of freedom and liberty will live on strongly after Ron Paul fades away...

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

50 delusional Ron Paul supporters.

I'm one funny youtube video away from beating Ron Paul in the primaries.

So basically what you're saying is that Thompson is pretty much "lying" right? Well that just helps to illustrate my point that most of the candidates are flat-out liars and will say anything to get elected... just look at the shit Hillary Clinton says. Ron Paul believes in everything he says, and he is consistent as can be.

You must be delusional, did you forget how to count?

There were a reported 100,000 donators. There are 300 million Americans. I don't think I have to elaborate on what I'm trying to get at.

Ron Paul is not the only candidate rejecting money from corporations and lobbyists. You would be a fool to think so.

Holy shit, that's funny

:1orglaugh O.K you got me there.

I can count to 19-0 though. :winkwink:

Oh god, don't bring that fucking gay ass team up again... :Oh crap

LOL LOL LOL

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That's an idea not a solution.

And going back to the states/people values is what he pushes and that isn't always a good idea. And if he plans on restructuring the mass screwed up mess the gov is in then I would love to hear his "solution" to the problem and how he plans on achieving such as massive task.

Otherwise, I do support many of his ideas.. I can and so can the masses of America but that doesn't mean shit until those 3 states say it does first.

I will never forget that fucking snow game... :mad: :helpme :error

For Ron Paul to get elected the Democrats in favor of him and I know quite a few. Need to register as republicans so the can vote in the primary and get him nominated or the republicans will stop it in the primary.

This guy is the only guy that has made any since in as long as I can remember. He want to hold to the constitution and as far as his Abortion issue unless I am mistaken he wants that to be decided at a state level. This country was never supposed to have so many national rules it was supposed to have states that decided what the occupants of thats thought was acceptable. Then you would have very conservative states and very liberal states and people could live where they felt most comfortable.

And he is the only one smart enough to see what a scam the Federal Reserve Bank and IRS is and wants to do away with it. Which would bring this country out of debt. For those that don't know The FED is not part of the Govt. it is privately owned bank our Govt. borrows all it's money from and pays interest on which is why we are in debt forever.

i only see the same 2 guys in all these Ron Paul threads wasting their time tryint to cause dissent among his supporters. TWO or Three haters isnt bad.

rules are rules :upsidedow

A) Only 60 million of 300 million voted in the last election. Of course 60 million are under 18 so they can't vote or donate.

B) Just because you don't donate doesn't mean you won't vote for a guy. I've never donated to a candidate, but I vote tough.


C) 100,00 THIS time. How many donated when he raised $4.2 million a month ago? How many have donated total since he began his campaign.

A couple of weeks back I was at a wal-mart in a town about 50 miles from me and there were some Ron Paul supporters standing outside with signs trying to encourage people to vote for Ron Paul. This is the first time I've seen any support for any candidate within a 50 miles radius from my house. So I'll give him that much. I have not passed by even ONE house with a sign supporting ANY candidate from either party so far.

In my county there isn't any decalartion of party when you register to vote so anyone can vote in any primary. Hopefully John Edwards will still be in it when my state's primary is held and he'll get my vote. If not then I'll vote for Paul.

God, why cant the abortion issue go away already. The stupidest issue to vote for president on, period. Its fast food politics for people who dont pay attention. Just look at a candidates view on abortion and let that make the decision for you.

It would make more sense, if the president actually had any kind of power to change abortion. As it stands, he doesn't. He can try and stack the courts, hope the get the biased judicial appointments through congress, and hope to get a case before the SCOTUS that will require a judicial review of roe v wade, and hope after all that, that the judges overturn it.

A pro-life candidate could practically murder an adult on stage in front of a pro-life crowd, and they would still vote for him, because he tells them, "This time we'll finally stop those baby killers!". Then on the flip side, a pro-choice candidate can do wtf he wants, just as long as he convinces enough gullible pro-choicers that the Christians are gonna take their abortions away, unless he's elected to stop it.

If any of you actually vote for president based on their stance on abortion, please just dont vote anymore.

/threadjack

If he does not get the nomination, the amount of $ he has raised will still allow him to press on as an independent candidate. He is catching on lately, i think you can count on seeing him in the debates like Perot back in the day.

He's said many times he wont run as an independant if he doesnt win the nomination. Probably because of the Perot effect, where he basically sealed the win for the democrats by siphoning votes from the right.

He has done well, but not that well. whoever wins the nomination will spend around 150-250 million on the presidential campaign alone. To compete he would need a lot more money then he could ever raise on his own.