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05-12-2008, 08:55 AM

Anybody catch Geraldo At Large on Fox News.. this was on and it looks too go to be true... Govt is even backing it with paying 50% and carbon credit etc....

www.efuel100.com

anyone see this???

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 09:06 AM

That's bullshit. Geraldo is a neo con cocksucker now anyways. Yeah yeah Bush supported ethonal and now food is twice as much as it was a few years ago. Good call Bush. Using food for fuel. Hey how about supporting solar? Oh wait the sun is free and has a 4 billion year supply left. Bush can't make money off the sun.

pr0 · 05-12-2008, 09:09 AM

its 100% real, i know a guy who's getting one....the system is like 10-15,000$ but you end up with $1 per gallon gas

so after tax rebates....mad americans will end up with these

05-12-2008, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

That's bullshit. Geraldo is a neo con cocksucker now anyways. Yeah yeah Bush supported ethonal and now food is twice as much as it was a few years ago. Good call Bush. Using food for fuel. Hey how about supporting solar? Oh wait the sun is free and has a 4 billion year supply left. Bush can't make money off the sun.

did you watch the video??? it can work with table sugar or even alchol....

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 09:13 AM

"MSRP: $9,995 (as low as $6,998 after federal tax credits)"

How much does Bush have invested i this corp. The neocons say don't buy a hybrid because the extra $3000 won't save you any money on gas, but $7000( not counting the cost of the mix ) will?

Even if you could make fuel for $1 a gallon. You have to make 7000 gallons to have it average to $2 a gallon. So you're talking about 14 years if you get 25 MPG and drive 12K miles a year. No thanks I'll just get a hybrid.

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LilBro

did you watch the video??? it can work with table sugar or even alchol....

yes and it's bullshit. Yeah table sugar which is $2 for a 4 lbs bag. How stupid are you?

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

its 100% real, i know a guy who's getting one....the system is like 10-15,000$ but you end up with $1 per gallon gas

so after tax rebates....mad americans will end up with these

Yes because they have $7k to throw around. They don't have $4 to pay for a gallon of gas though. Why not just get a hybrid?

05-12-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

"MSRP: $9,995 (as low as $6,998 after federal tax credits)"

How much does Bush have invested i this corp. The neocons say don't buy a hybrid because the extra $3000 won't save you any money on gas, but $7000( not counting the cost of the mix ) will?

Even if you could make fuel for $1 a gallon. You have to make 7000 gallons to have it average to $2 a gallon. So you're talking about 14 years if you get 25 MPG and drive 12K miles a year. No thanks I'll just get a hybrid.

damn... thats some good math... if i had the ability, i would check it but i will take your word for it... do u do income taxes???? my accountant blows!!!

shuki · 05-12-2008, 09:18 AM

Looks interesting just not practical for me in the city

05-12-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shuki

Looks interesting just not practical for me in the city

BOSTON?!?!?!??!?!?! RED SOX BLOW!!!

lets talk is september buddy....

they will actually have a smaller unit for the public that is going to be 33% smaller in size

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LilBro

damn... thats some good math... if i had the ability, i would check it but i will take your word for it... do u do income taxes???? my accountant blows!!!

I could do your taxes in my head.

The crapier the milage you current car gets and the more miles you drive the more this is benefit to you. So if you got a 20 year old car that get 16 MPG and you drive 20k miles year, yeah maybe this would work for you. Also if that's the case it sounds like you'll need a new car soon and if so then as I said why not juts get a hybrid?

Besides I can imagine having one of these on your property you'll always have to be on the lookout for people trying to steal your gas. How much is all the extra security going to cost?

pr0 · 05-12-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Yes because they have $7k to throw around. They don't have $4 to pay for a gallon of gas though. Why not just get a hybrid?

man you always have an opinion on everything don't ya

and its almost always annoying

are you someone on gfy's wife?

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

man you always have an opinion on everything don't ya

and its almost always annoying

are you someone on gfy's wife?

Yeah I do have an opinion on everything so does 100% of everyone. And my opinion is right. I see you're not disputing what I have to say. Sorry if I don't see the logic of this POS thing.

pornguy · 05-12-2008, 09:35 AM

Wont make it.

" To operate simply load EFuel100 feedstock (table sugar with ethanol yeast mix) into the fermentation tank and select the fermentation option on the control panel to begin the process. It will take between 10lbs to 14lbs of sugar to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. The MicroFueler is capable of producing 5 gallons of ethanol per day once fermentation is complete. "

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Wont make it.

" To operate simply load EFuel100 feedstock (table sugar with ethanol yeast mix) into the fermentation tank and select the fermentation option on the control panel to begin the process. It will take between 10lbs to 14lbs of sugar to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. The MicroFueler is capable of producing 5 gallons of ethanol per day once fermentation is complete. "

Even in bulk 10 Lbs of sugar would be at least $15. yeah real cheap.

B2BwithJoeD · 05-12-2008, 09:59 AM

Saw this too - was trying to work out the math/economics just like all of you. Sugar futures will probably skyrocket this week so that is probably who is behind it - and how much per pound will "ethanol yeast mix" set us back? And that still sounds like using food for fuel. The goal should be using food scraps and organic waste for fuel - like in Back to the Future...

The problem with big oil being pushed to develop new sources of energy is that any substitute will carry the same price per gallon...

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Webbilling JoeD

Saw this too - was trying to work out the math/economics just like all of you. Sugar futures will probably skyrocket this week so that is probably who is behind it - and how much per pound will "ethanol yeast mix" set us back? And that still sounds like using food for fuel. The goal should be using food scraps and organic waste for fuel - like in Back to the Future...

The problem with big oil being pushed to develop new sources of energy is that any substitute will carry the same price per gallon...

SOLAR...

yys · 05-12-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

That's bullshit. Geraldo is a neo con cocksucker now anyways. Yeah yeah Bush supported ethonal and now food is twice as much as it was a few years ago. Good call Bush. Using food for fuel. Hey how about supporting solar? Oh wait the sun is free and has a 4 billion year supply left. Bush can't make money off the sun.

Man, you really have no fucking clue what you're talking about and you don't even realize it

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by yys

Man, you really have no fucking clue what you're talking about and you don't even realize it

No I'm mistaken food is cheaper now more than ever.

crockett · 05-12-2008, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

its 100% real, i know a guy who's getting one....the system is like 10-15,000$ but you end up with $1 per gallon gas

so after tax rebates....mad americans will end up with these

Great so the US govt, is subsidising the absolute worst choice there is all because of the famers lobby. You wont get any thing close to the same gas miliage with corn based ethonal vs normal gas, so it being cheaper is BS. Add to the fact that the famers can't ever grow anywhere close to the amount of fuel needed will also drive up the prices while causing food shortages.

All in the name of a quick buck.

tony286 · 05-12-2008, 10:25 AM

I agree with the solar car idea, electric with a solar panel on the roof. The mazda 929 had a solar panel built into the sunroof so it would tickle charge your car while parked. It will never happen too many people dont want it to happen and they have very deep pockets.

Tom_PM · 05-12-2008, 10:25 AM

Really would prefer a solor powered home and a plug in rechargeable car *shrug*.

It looks interesting though, provided you have a field of sugar cane as a backyard (with VERY high fences and killer security! lol)

Heck, I'm still shocked that so many people still buy and use gasoline powered lawnmowers, trimmers and the most idiotic and lazy-ass invention ever: leaf blowers!

yys · 05-12-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

No I'm mistaken food is cheaper now more than ever.

You implied that the production of ethanol was the cause of the run up in food costs when it only accounts for an insignificant percentage of the run up. I'm sure you'll now copy and paste some alarmist article about how big bad ethanol is causing hunger in some third world shithole. How about you try this
Find out how much of the GLOBAL corn crop is used for the production of ethanol and then tell us how much effect it's had on the cost of your groceries. Do the same for the GLOBAL wheat, soybean and rice crops. I'm interested to see how you connect the cost increases in these crops to ethanol production.

BTW, Bush isn't the only politician to support ethanol production but of course that doesn't fit with a simpletons view that Bush created all the problems this world faces over his last 8 years in office.

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Really would prefer a solor powered home and a plug in rechargeable car *shrug*.

It looks interesting though, provided you have a field of sugar cane as a backyard (with VERY high fences and killer security! lol)

Heck, I'm still shocked that so many people still buy and use gasoline powered lawnmowers, trimmers and the most idiotic and lazy-ass invention ever: leaf blowers!

The guy that invents solar cells that can power cars and houses efficiently and cheaply will mysteriously die of unknown causes shorty after his discovery.

Tom_PM · 05-12-2008, 10:31 AM

Should be able to harness the energy made by rain drops hitting a roof by now. That guy musta been killed off already, hehe.

And water wheels built into every downspout.

Hey, I've got the ideas.. please dont kill me!

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by yys

You implied that the production of ethanol was the cause of the run up in food costs when it only accounts for an insignificant percentage of the run up.

WRONG. Try using LOGIC. Corn farmers that used to grow corn for FOOD are now growing it for FUEL thus leaving LESS corn for food. And corn is used in A LOT more products than you realize. Econ 101 says when demand is high and supply is short prices go UP. Therefor food prices go up. Also feed for cows and chickens is made from CORN. Thus it becomes more expensive to feed those anilmals and that cost is passed on to the consumer. Also farmers that used to grow other crops now are gowing corn to make a quick buck. Except this corn is not meant for food but ethonol so that does nothing to relieve the corn shortage for food. In addition because less amounts of other crop are being grown those crops go up in price because of lower supply.

Now see how easy things are when you use your brain and logic and reasoning? You can not dispute what I just posted.

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BTW, Bush isn't the only politician to support ethanol production but of course that doesn't fit with a simpletons view that Bush created all the problems this world faces over his last 8 years in office.

Well I expect democrats to support farm welfare like they support welfare for everyone. That's their nature. I expect someone form the party of supposedly LESS government and no welfare to behave differently.

stickyfingerz · 05-12-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

That's bullshit. Geraldo is a neo con cocksucker now anyways. Yeah yeah Bush supported ethonal and now food is twice as much as it was a few years ago. Good call Bush. Using food for fuel. Hey how about supporting solar? Oh wait the sun is free and has a 4 billion year supply left. Bush can't make money off the sun.

Ya Im going to put those solar panels on top of my car RIGHT NOW!

Mister E · 05-12-2008, 10:42 AM

The oil shortage (as if) aint nothing compared to the food shortage, coming soon to a theater of lunacy near you!

Here's another (possible) way to fuck the saudis, exon and the saudis....fuckin' saudis

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/827901-israel-fuck-yourself-oil.html

Peaches · 05-12-2008, 10:42 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas

There's a guy who took out a loan on a P2P lending site I visit who has 2 of these cars in Utah. Prices are less than 70 cents per gallon and I can't remember how far he could drive on a fill up, but it was WAY cheap. With the CNG sticker on his cars he also gets to drive in the HOV lane when he's alone

B2BwithJoeD · 05-12-2008, 10:43 AM

Hmmm, from the FAQ:

How much sugar will it take to make a gallon of ethanol?

It takes approximately 13 lbs. of sugar to create one gallon of ethanol. The MicroFueler is capable of producing 35 gallons of ethanol (using 470 lbs of sugar) weekly which will fill the average fuel tank twice.

A ton of sugar today went for $333. So at about .16 per pound at that volume, 470 pounds of sugar for your ethanol machine will cost $75.20 - so unless I'm doing something wrong here - for 35 gallons your sugar cost alone is already $2.15 per gallon, and you've got your machine cost, yeast mix cost, electric, water, and time...

I think Consumer Reports needs to do an independent study...

Tom_PM · 05-12-2008, 10:43 AM

The only reason ethanol has backing is because the US is the breadbasket of the world and we could profit from it. Lets not get too far off that simple point.

But it's true as soon as it because a main means of fueling, everything around it will skyrocket because it's just trading one limited resource for another.

Geothermal, solar and wind and hydro are the true winners. It's just harder to profit from it.

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ya Im going to put those solar panels on top of my car RIGHT NOW!

Fuck off turd. Try THINKING isntead of how to get away with fucking farm animals. don;t you have more content to steal?

Tom_PM · 05-12-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas

There's a guy who took out a loan on a P2P lending site I visit who has 2 of these cars in Utah. Prices are less than 70 cents per gallon and I can't remember how far he could drive on a fill up, but it was WAY cheap. With the CNG sticker on his cars he also gets to drive in the HOV lane when he's alone

Compressed natural gas! I have that!

Those are great. I think every larger city I've lived in or visited for the last 30 yrs or so has some natural gas busses.

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webbilling JoeD

Hmmm, from the FAQ:

How much sugar will it take to make a gallon of ethanol?

It takes approximately 13 lbs. of sugar to create one gallon of ethanol. The MicroFueler is capable of producing 35 gallons of ethanol (using 470 lbs of sugar) weekly which will fill the average fuel tank twice.

A ton of sugar today went for $333. So at about .16 per pound at that volume, 470 pounds of sugar for your ethanol machine will cost $75.20 - so unless I'm doing something wrong here - for 35 gallons your sugar cost alone is already $2.15 per gallon, and you've got your machine cost, yeast mix cost, electric, water, and time...

I think Consumer Reports needs to do an independent study...

Oh and don't forget how mnay of use are going to get our sugar delivered by the TON?

Peaches · 05-12-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Compressed natural gas! I have that!

Those are great. I think every larger city I've lived in or visited for the last 30 yrs or so has some natural gas busses.

It's funny, I dated a guy whose father went to MIT at 16 - he was a bit of a genius

When the guy was growing up, his father made one of the family cars into a propane powered car. This was back in the freaking 70's! All 4 kids drove it all through HS and even though it had its quirks, he was obviously ahead of his time.

yys · 05-12-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

WRONG. Try using LOGIC. Corn farmers that used to grow corn for FOOD are now growing it for FUEL thus leaving LESS corn for food. And corn is used in A LOT more products than you realize. Econ 101 says when demand is high and supply is short prices go UP. Therefor food prices go up. Also feed for cows and chickens is made from CORN. Thus it becomes more expensive to feed those anilmals and that cost is passed on to the consumer. Also farmers that used to grow other crops now are gowing corn to make a quick buck. Except this corn is not meant for food but ethonol so that does nothing to relieve the corn shortage for food. In addition because less amounts of other crop are being grown those crops go up in price because of lower supply.

Now see how easy things are when you use your brain and logic and reasoning? You can not dispute what I just posted.

Yes I can see now, the correlation between a single digit percentage of the global corn crop being used for ethanol production and the massive food inflation across all crops; what logic. Why it must be all because of the ethanol; couldn't have anything to do with fuel, fertilizer, drought, currency fluctuations, inadequate agriculture practices in most of the world or the hundreds of millions of people now eating two squares a day instead of one. Damn conspiracy by Bush and all those elite bastards to use my food for their SUV's. Thanks for helping me see the light.

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Well I expect democrats to support farm welfare like they support welfare for everyone. That's their nature. I expect someone form the party of supposedly LESS government and no welfare to behave differently.

I think you'll find support for ethanol production widespread across the full political spectrum outside the borders of the U.S.A..

stickyfingerz · 05-12-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Fuck off turd. Try THINKING isntead of how to get away with fucking farm animals. don;t you have more content to steal?

Never ever ever stole any content ever. Dont you have a minority hating forum to post on?

Tom_PM · 05-12-2008, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

It's funny, I dated a guy whose father went to MIT at 16 - he was a bit of a genius

When the guy was growing up, his father made one of the family cars into a propane powered car. This was back in the freaking 70's! All 4 kids drove it all through HS and even though it had its quirks, he was obviously ahead of his time.

Yeah, I bet most of us knew the local "supreme ultra-cool geek" family!

There was a guy who lived on a backroad near me and usually he rode/drove his little "car" thing.. it was solar/battery, and had pedals also which would help charge the battery. Which he needed since it was a huge hill he lived on! But, it was always super cool and ahead of it's time.

Dollarmansteve · 05-12-2008, 11:19 AM

Or,

a) live closer to work
b) ride a bike / walk to work

Reliance on the automobile is a direct result of the decentralization of populations, urban/suburban infrastructure (highways, etc). The solution is not better gas mileage, or to find a cheaper way to gas up your car, it's to change people's lifestyles so they are less reliant on gasoline.

Everyone wants to keep their gas burning cars and live in the suburbs - the problem is systematic. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Or,

a) live closer to work
b) ride a bike / walk to work

Reliance on the automobile is a direct result of the decentralization of populations, urban/suburban infrastructure (highways, etc). The solution is not better gas mileage, or to find a cheaper way to gas up your car, it's to change people's lifestyles so they are less reliant on gasoline.

Everyone wants to keep their gas burning cars and live in the suburbs - the problem is systematic. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I don't think having everyone move back into the cities is much of a solution.

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Never ever ever stole any content ever. Dont you have a minority hating forum to post on?

No I just hate on assholes like you. And sure you stole content then tried to bribe the guy with a camera.

pr0 · 05-12-2008, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

WRONG. Try using LOGIC. Corn farmers that used to grow corn for FOOD are now growing it for FUEL thus leaving LESS corn for food. And corn is used in A LOT more products than you realize. Econ 101 says when demand is high and supply is short prices go UP. Therefor food prices go up. Also feed for cows and chickens is made from CORN. Thus it becomes more expensive to feed those anilmals and that cost is passed on to the consumer. Also farmers that used to grow other crops now are gowing corn to make a quick buck. Except this corn is not meant for food but ethonol so that does nothing to relieve the corn shortage for food. In addition because less amounts of other crop are being grown those crops go up in price because of lower supply.

Now see how easy things are when you use your brain and logic and reasoning? You can not dispute what I just posted.

Well I expect democrats to support farm welfare like they support welfare for everyone. That's their nature. I expect someone form the party of supposedly LESS government and no welfare to behave differently.

at least when food prices skyrocket, we'll be keeping the $ inside our own country

fueling our own businesses

instead of paying for some asshole princes hummer limo/w grenade launcher & stripper pole

Robbie · 05-12-2008, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

The guy that invents solar cells that can power cars and houses efficiently and cheaply will mysteriously die of unknown causes shorty after his discovery.

That's not really true. You can already have complete solar power for your home. Matter of fact I've already priced it. It's $55,000 to have the unit set up that actually tracks the sun (just like the one they did in a recent episode of Extreme Home Makeover). The only reason I didn't put one in is because I'm selling my current home and moving to Vegas. Once I get settled in Vegas I'm definitely going all solar for my home. The cool part about it is you still have your home hooked up to the power grid and all the "extra" electricity that you generate with your solar power has to be bought by the power company by law! So you can not only power your own home...but you can have the satisfaction of sticking it back to the power company

55 grand is kind of expensive....but then a friend of mine pointed out how much I spend on cars. Hell...for less than the price on one of my cars I can power my home for the rest of my life. When it's put that way...it seems more like a good deal.

Tom_PM · 05-12-2008, 11:34 AM

Yeah a fully decked solar home would kick ass. In the sunnier states, the gov. kicks in less rebates and incentives, but your payoff will still be quick.
Around here, rebates and incentives get you 45% back since NY is not a very sunny state. We have Net metering here, which means your summer excess is given back to you in winter when you need it more and there is less sun.

Check your U.S. States government incentives and local rebates here: http://www.dsireusa.org/

severe · 05-12-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Also feed for cows and chickens is made from CORN.

actually distillation of corn into ethanol leaves byproduct that can be used for feed so at least the price of pork wont go up... bu i agree that ethanol is by far the worst possible solution.

if we were to switch 100% to ethanol, we dont even have enough acreage to grow enough corn to cover current needs. not to mention we still need place to grow food, so we'll just end up importing corn, so the fuel wont be really that cheap, food prices will skyrocket cause farmers will grow whatever makes the most money, not to mention the billions upon billions required to change the infrastructure.

B2BwithJoeD · 05-12-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Oh and don't forget how many of us are going to get our sugar delivered by the TON?

At 470 pounds per week, you would have to have it delivered by the ton. For the rest of the world on metric measurements - metric ton = 1000 kilos and 470 pounds per week is 213 kilos - so you can see that it would make sense to have your sugar delivered in 1000 kilo packets to make it cost effective - you'd have about a four week supply or 140 gallons of ethanol fuel per sugar delivery...

crockett · 05-12-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Well I expect democrats to support farm welfare like they support welfare for everyone. That's their nature. I expect someone form the party of supposedly LESS government and no welfare to behave differently.

Republicans are only against welfare for the poor. They are all for welfare for big business.

yys · 05-12-2008, 11:51 AM

Here's a neat site/company for those of you interested in Solar power for your home. Put your address in and they will use satellite imagery to work up an installation quote for you and give you an estimate of the power you can expect to generate/save depending on the amount of sunlight your area receives. Pretty interesting concept although I think it only works in Cali for now.

http://www.sungevity.com

C-Bass · 05-12-2008, 01:06 PM

GatorB is on an ownage campaign right here!!! LOL

BradM · 05-12-2008, 01:09 PM

GatorB is a clown, but he is clearly 100% correct in this thread.
If you don't see that, then you're basically mentally handicapped.

05-12-2008, 08:55 AM	#1
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B2BwithJoeD Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: PayoutMag.com Posts: 1,390	Saw this too - was trying to work out the math/economics just like all of you. Sugar futures will probably skyrocket this week so that is probably who is behind it - and how much per pound will "ethanol yeast mix" set us back? And that still sounds like using food for fuel. The goal should be using food scraps and organic waste for fuel - like in Back to the Future... The problem with big oil being pushed to develop new sources of energy is that any substitute will carry the same price per gallon... __________________ BLOG IT! How Will You Spend Your 2014 Profits? - PayoutMag.com Ask me About - Unique Processing and Marketing Solutions - Your Only Risk Is More Revenue!

05-12-2008, 09:06 AM	#2
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	That's bullshit. Geraldo is a neo con cocksucker now anyways. Yeah yeah Bush supported ethonal and now food is twice as much as it was a few years ago. Good call Bush. Using food for fuel. Hey how about supporting solar? Oh wait the sun is free and has a 4 billion year supply left. Bush can't make money off the sun.

05-12-2008, 09:13 AM	#5
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	"MSRP: $9,995 (as low as $6,998 after federal tax credits)" How much does Bush have invested i this corp. The neocons say don't buy a hybrid because the extra $3000 won't save you any money on gas, but $7000( not counting the cost of the mix ) will? Even if you could make fuel for $1 a gallon. You have to make 7000 gallons to have it average to $2 a gallon. So you're talking about 14 years if you get 25 MPG and drive 12K miles a year. No thanks I'll just get a hybrid.

05-12-2008, 10:25 AM	#21
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I agree with the solar car idea, electric with a solar panel on the roof. The mazda 929 had a solar panel built into the sunroof so it would tickle charge your car while parked. It will never happen too many people dont want it to happen and they have very deep pockets.

05-12-2008, 10:25 AM	#22
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Really would prefer a solor powered home and a plug in rechargeable car shrug. It looks interesting though, provided you have a field of sugar cane as a backyard (with VERY high fences and killer security! lol) Heck, I'm still shocked that so many people still buy and use gasoline powered lawnmowers, trimmers and the most idiotic and lazy-ass invention ever: leaf blowers! __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar. Last edited by Tom_PM; 05-12-2008 at 10:27 AM..

05-12-2008, 10:31 AM	#25
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Should be able to harness the energy made by rain drops hitting a roof by now. That guy musta been killed off already, hehe. And water wheels built into every downspout. Hey, I've got the ideas.. please dont kill me! __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar. Last edited by Tom_PM; 05-12-2008 at 10:32 AM..

05-12-2008, 10:42 AM	#28
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05-12-2008, 10:42 AM	#29
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas There's a guy who took out a loan on a P2P lending site I visit who has 2 of these cars in Utah. Prices are less than 70 cents per gallon and I can't remember how far he could drive on a fill up, but it was WAY cheap. With the CNG sticker on his cars he also gets to drive in the HOV lane when he's alone

05-12-2008, 10:43 AM	#30
B2BwithJoeD Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: PayoutMag.com Posts: 1,390	Hmmm, from the FAQ: How much sugar will it take to make a gallon of ethanol? It takes approximately 13 lbs. of sugar to create one gallon of ethanol. The MicroFueler is capable of producing 35 gallons of ethanol (using 470 lbs of sugar) weekly which will fill the average fuel tank twice. A ton of sugar today went for $333. So at about .16 per pound at that volume, 470 pounds of sugar for your ethanol machine will cost $75.20 - so unless I'm doing something wrong here - for 35 gallons your sugar cost alone is already $2.15 per gallon, and you've got your machine cost, yeast mix cost, electric, water, and time... I think Consumer Reports needs to do an independent study... __________________ BLOG IT! How Will You Spend Your 2014 Profits? - PayoutMag.com Ask me About - Unique Processing and Marketing Solutions - Your Only Risk Is More Revenue!

05-12-2008, 11:19 AM	#39
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	Or, a) live closer to work b) ride a bike / walk to work Reliance on the automobile is a direct result of the decentralization of populations, urban/suburban infrastructure (highways, etc). The solution is not better gas mileage, or to find a cheaper way to gas up your car, it's to change people's lifestyles so they are less reliant on gasoline. Everyone wants to keep their gas burning cars and live in the suburbs - the problem is systematic. You can't have your cake and eat it too. __________________ I died.

05-12-2008, 11:34 AM	#44
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Yeah a fully decked solar home would kick ass. In the sunnier states, the gov. kicks in less rebates and incentives, but your payoff will still be quick. Around here, rebates and incentives get you 45% back since NY is not a very sunny state. We have Net metering here, which means your summer excess is given back to you in winter when you need it more and there is less sun. Check your U.S. States government incentives and local rebates here: http://www.dsireusa.org/ __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

05-12-2008, 11:51 AM	#48
yys Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,922	Here's a neat site/company for those of you interested in Solar power for your home. Put your address in and they will use satellite imagery to work up an installation quote for you and give you an estimate of the power you can expect to generate/save depending on the amount of sunlight your area receives. Pretty interesting concept although I think it only works in Cali for now. http://www.sungevity.com

05-12-2008, 01:06 PM	#49
C-Bass Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: th3 1nt3Rwebz Posts: 3,153	GatorB is on an ownage campaign right here!!! LOL __________________ "Unhappy with the riches 'cause you're piss poor morally." Trade traffic? - Highdef Blog

05-12-2008, 01:09 PM	#50
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	GatorB is a clown, but he is clearly 100% correct in this thread. If you don't see that, then you're basically mentally handicapped.