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Boss Traffic Jim 12-17-2007 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hateman (Post 13525824)
50mbps on a P4 with 1gb RAM and regular HDD is stupid


You are 100% wronf\g, I have a few p4's that do well over 100mEGS AND HAVE NO ISSUES AT ALL.:2 cents:

adultbandwidth 12-17-2007 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afrin (Post 13526170)
You are 100% wronf\g, I have a few p4's that do well over 100mEGS AND HAVE NO ISSUES AT ALL.:2 cents:

Exactly. I'm not sure why everyone here is arguing that you cannot push 50Mbps on a P4 with a gig of RAM. We actually have customers pushing nearly 100Mbps with Celerons that have 512MB of RAM. It's highly possible depending on the application.

We have P4s with a gig that push more than 100Mbps reliably on a regular basis.

pr0 12-17-2007 10:44 AM

waiting 2 hear from ya man ; )

adultbandwidth 12-17-2007 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Techie Media (Post 13525765)
adultbandwidth, I am also in the area and good friends with pr0. I have been asked by many of my customers about you and your offers as well as who and what you claim to be, so I would also be interrested in being in on this meeting. If you are up to it hit me up as well and let's see what's up.

Jim,

I'd be glad to have you join in. Perhaps we can meet at the office, then head over to one or both of the data centers and then grab lunch together.

I'll shoot you an e-mail with regard to this. Wednesday's probably the best day for me. I'll also hop on ICQ (hopefully later today) to chat with pr0.

Techie Media 12-17-2007 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultbandwidth (Post 13526253)
Jim,

I'd be glad to have you join in. Perhaps we can meet at the office, then head over to one or both of the data centers and then grab lunch together.

I'll shoot you an e-mail with regard to this. Wednesday's probably the best day for me. I'll also hop on ICQ (hopefully later today) to chat with pr0.


pr0 and I already talked and we were hoping for today or tomorrow? He can make it after that but I am leaving wed for 10 days vacation to Disney with the wife, 2 sons and both their girlfriends. pr0 is quite capable of observing your operation and reporting to all of the interrested partie. I would hope you could make it tomorrow, but let us know.

Jim

Snake Doctor 12-17-2007 11:19 AM

I get the feeling that this isn't going to end well for the new guy.

I could be wrong, but that's what my gut tells me. (it also tells me to order pizza way too much so maybe I shouldn't listen to it)

adultbandwidth 12-17-2007 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Techie Media (Post 13526326)
pr0 and I already talked and we were hoping for today or tomorrow? He can make it after that but I am leaving wed for 10 days vacation to Disney with the wife, 2 sons and both their girlfriends. pr0 is quite capable of observing your operation and reporting to all of the interrested partie. I would hope you could make it tomorrow, but let us know.

Jim

Jim,

I've e-mailed you -- hopefully you can pass that along to pr0 so I don't have to sign up for ICQ.

fris 12-17-2007 12:18 PM

his office is a cardboard box outside the datacenter

adultbandwidth 12-17-2007 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultbandwidth (Post 13526477)
Jim,

I've e-mailed you -- hopefully you can pass that along to pr0 so I don't have to sign up for ICQ.

Jim, I've e-mailed you -- meeting all set for 11:30 tomorrow AM. Please confirm by replying to me e-mail as I have a pretty tight schedule tomorrow.

Thanks.

Techie Media 12-17-2007 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultbandwidth (Post 13527456)
Jim, I've e-mailed you -- meeting all set for 11:30 tomorrow AM. Please confirm by replying to me e-mail as I have a pretty tight schedule tomorrow.

Thanks.


OK I got your mail and replied, But I'll comfirm it here also. Yes both pr0 and I will be there at your office at 11:30 am tomorrow.

Thanks
Jim

tranza 12-17-2007 02:52 PM

That's just TOO cheap!!

:)

pr0 12-17-2007 04:08 PM

Yup, just confirming I will be there tomorrow at 11:30 as well.

Hope its casual....because thats how I'm showing up :1orglaugh

:pimp

jonm76 12-18-2007 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13524390)
Adult and Mainstream are two totally different things when it comes to hosting, you don't seem to understand that, and that alone is reason enough for us to not host with you.

Like I told you in another one of your threads, you need to go back to sales school, because you really suck at it so far.

I agree with you Snake! It's about time I see what I'm looking for. :thumbsup

Snake, please tell me who you host with that gives 24/7 unlimited support / phone support. I have been trying to find one for a while.
The last host I was with got pissed when I was on the phone over 4 hours with them when I messed up my web server configuration! Can you believe that!!! I was paying them a good $500 per month and they said that by 12 hours of phone support per month was not covering their costs!!!
I mean WTF!!! :321GFY
I agree with you Snake.... These companies should be "begging" for our business. Please refer the hosting companies that you use so I can start using them.
Screw these web hosting companies that have restrictions! I want 100% uptime and 100% support!!!

jonm76 12-18-2007 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WireSix-Ryan (Post 13524115)
sounds like resold HE.net boxes to me, that location list is straight off HE's pop list ;)

Hey, where did you get this list?!?!? :Oh crap
I did not see HE offering data to S&D Reston.

I live in this local region as well..... I want to check this guy out!
How can I be part of this meeting?

split_joel 12-18-2007 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit (Post 13524708)
You know whats sad about this whole thing? This guy is actually being up front and getting flamed out the ass for it. No host offers unlimited support with all their contracts. Sure, plenty say they do. Just like the whole "24/7/365 support" thing. With most hosts, that means the ticket system takes tickets all the time and someone looks at them here and there at night, or that someone is close to the phone and checks the messages once an hour or something.

They might say they do. But sooner or later, limits are set and/or a customer is helped to the door. Might just be a matter of a large price increase, setting a new policy against running a certain kind of software, frequent "outages" that only effect that customer, etc. Or simply telling them to get out. I have hosted people on my boxes as a shared host before and I make it very clear that there is no support for customer applications. And if they start messaging me, I say "Look, you need to find someone who has the time for it. I simply don't have time to provide support to someone for $10 a month."

Many hosts lead the customer to the impression that hand holding is there and the customer doesn't find out until after they are in a contract. This guy is up front with it and all people do is flame him for it.

Once again you are speaking out of your ass. Have you been with every hosting company? Have you tried every single hosting company's support?

Our phone system can be called 24/7/365 and we have people on site to anserw calls. I do not care if its 9am or 2 in the morning someone will always be here to take a call. We have never kicked anyone out of our data center for putting to much a load on our services and when we say unlimited manage we do it. If you know anything about windows or linux and a customer needs something done its a pretty simple process. Also regarding the ticket note, tickets sometimes take a little longer to respond to depending on what the customer is asking for generally because our staff will get working on it right away but anyone can get an immediate response by contacting the 24/7/365 phone number listed on just about any real hosting company's website.

BTW, BUMP for a good deal.

Sorry about entering the thread, got no beef with you guys just minusonebit :thumbsup

Snake Doctor 12-18-2007 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonm76 (Post 13529734)
I agree with you Snake! It's about time I see what I'm looking for. :thumbsup

Snake, please tell me who you host with that gives 24/7 unlimited support / phone support. I have been trying to find one for a while.
The last host I was with got pissed when I was on the phone over 4 hours with them when I messed up my web server configuration! Can you believe that!!! I was paying them a good $500 per month and they said that by 12 hours of phone support per month was not covering their costs!!!
I mean WTF!!! :321GFY
I agree with you Snake.... These companies should be "begging" for our business. Please refer the hosting companies that you use so I can start using them.
Screw these web hosting companies that have restrictions! I want 100% uptime and 100% support!!!

You're an idiot, and obviously have some sort of vested interest in adultbandwidth's deal here.

The point I was making more than anything is that nobody is going to think it's a good deal if they have 8 thousand details shoved down their fucking throat.
If someone is abusing the support system then you deal with that on a case by case basis. The second you tell me I get "X minutes" of support per month and after that I get charged extra, is the second I tell you to go fuck yourself I'll find another host.

And FWIW, if you've seen the hosting specials being offered lately, hosting companies are "begging" for our business.
But you just sit there and keep telling your potential future customers how you think it should be, I'm sure they are more concerned with your business than they are with their own.

As for me, it's 3AM and I think I'll turn in a support ticket right now for a new MYSQL database. It'll be done within 10 minutes for no extra charge, because I use a "real host".

jonm76 12-18-2007 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13529995)
You're an idiot, and obviously have some

What the hell is your problem dirtbag!

I'm agreeing that if someone says 24/7 support that they should support you no matter what! You rub one out too hard and did it hurt your head (both of them)?

I agree with you that hosting companies are "begging" for business. Deals are getting better and better all of the time.

Now I have to figure out why you were an ass to me....

But for now.... HERE YOU GO! :321GFY:321GFY

jonm76 12-18-2007 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13529995)
As for me, it's 3AM and I think I'll turn in a support ticket right now for a new MYSQL database. It'll be done within 10 minutes for no extra charge, because I use a "real host".


I guess you are going to just state this stuff without actually giving the name?!?! Does this "real host" have a web site? Why can't you provide that? :mad:

Snake Doctor 12-18-2007 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonm76 (Post 13530012)
I guess you are going to just state this stuff without actually giving the name?!?! Does this "real host" have a web site? Why can't you provide that? :mad:

You were being a sarcastic asshole in that post, don't go playing dumb about it now.

I host with Techie Media

jonm76 12-18-2007 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13530038)
You were being a sarcastic asshole in that post, don't go playing dumb about it now.

I host with Techie Media

You have some anger managment issues, and you are a complete dumb-ass.

I was paying $500 a damn month and after 12 damn hours I was cut off!!! You think that these level 1 support people are worth more than $40 per hour!
If you think a level one phone support person is worth more than $40 per hour then you are an idiot....... :1orglaugh

When I'm paying $500 per month I expect to get support.

Once again here you go.... :321GFY:321GFY:321GFY

Snake Doctor 12-18-2007 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonm76 (Post 13530044)
You have some anger managment issues, and you are a complete dumb-ass.

I was paying $500 a damn month and after 12 damn hours I was cut off!!! You think that these level 1 support people are worth more than $40 per hour!
If you think a level one phone support person is worth more than $40 per hour then you are an idiot....... :1orglaugh

When I'm paying $500 per month I expect to get support.

Once again here you go.... :321GFY:321GFY:321GFY

You're not fooling anyone asshole.

Now STFU and go troll somewhere else.

darksoul 12-18-2007 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonm76 (Post 13530044)
When I'm paying $500 per month I expect to get support.

Are you paying $500/month for support alone or servers/bandwidth included.

My experience with customers over the years still holds true, and I think its the same for everyone else.
The ones that pay the least expect the most.

jonm76 12-18-2007 06:23 AM

:1orglaugh
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13530061)
You're not fooling anyone asshole.

Now STFU and go troll somewhere else.

You really are a troll aren't you....

There are two reason why I just figured you are an ass.
1) You are a Dolphins fan.
2) After years (that you say) you have been in the business you still do not know the one line command to create a database.

I'm asking for your hosting recommondations and you are just too stupid to say even one. All you do is bash everyone and you can't say shit but bash people. I was even on your side butt-head!

Are you a child? Go back to your mom's room and cuddle up with her.:1orglaugh

jonm76 12-18-2007 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 13530353)
Are you paying $500/month for support alone or servers/bandwidth included.

My experience with customers over the years still holds true, and I think its the same for everyone else.
The ones that pay the least expect the most.


I'm not expecting the most at all!
$500 ($495 actually) for 20 Mbps with server. That is not unreasonable at all to expect that with support. It's just been hard to find that with great support that is 24/7.
That's the main reason why I'm looking at GFY. But Snake is being a little bitch and does nothing but bash people instead of saying who he uses. I can see who his lame blog is hosted by (techiemedia), I guess this is the big secret that he wants to hide.

Whatever.....

darksoul 12-18-2007 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonm76 (Post 13530633)
I'm not expecting the most at all!
$500 ($495 actually) for 20 Mbps with server.

Let see.
rack space - $50/month
server cost - $80/month
bandwidth cost - $19/Mbps x 20Mbps = $380
Total: $510
payment left for support -$10
4 hours on the phone: $160
I say you owe them at least $150

jonm76 12-18-2007 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 13530677)
Let see.
rack space - $50/month
server cost - $80/month
bandwidth cost - $19/Mbps x 20Mbps = $380
Total: $510
payment left for support -$10
4 hours on the phone: $160
I say you owe them at least $150

Rack space I will give you if the location is a equinix-grade place (I doubt this is).
Are you saying these hosting providers are paying $19 per Mbps.... I hardly doubt so!
Are you saying a server cost them $80 per month forever! F No.
Are you saying that an hour of support cost them $40 per hour! F No.

Why are you hounding me here? $500 for 20 Mbps is average pricing. But I am just looking for someone with better support.

darksoul 12-18-2007 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonm76 (Post 13530702)
Rack space I will give you if the location is a equinix-grade place (I doubt this is).

Consider energy cost, location, cooling and $50 is an acceptable price
if you're not hosting the server in your garage.
Quote:

Are you saying these hosting providers are paying $19 per Mbps.... I hardly doubt so!
If they use low cost providers probably not, but I'm talking about a combination of good and cheap providers and you'll average around $19
unless you use an insane amount of bandwidth talking 10gigs and up here
Quote:

Are you saying a server cost them $80 per month forever! F No.
There are other costs than the initial hardware, like replacement parts, hardware maintenance...
Quote:

Are you saying that an hour of support cost them $40 per hour! F No.
You're right, Fuck no, with $40/hour you will get a well trained monkey.
If you want a real sysadmin you have to go from $80 and up.

Quote:

Why are you hounding me here? $500 for 20 Mbps is average pricing. But I am just looking for someone with better support.
Sure its average pricing but I think no host will spend 4 hours with you on the phone. Actually you have nothing to discuss on the phone other than make
them aware of the problem and let them fix it, they're not there to hold you
hand why you're trying to "fix" things.
Also the average pricing comes from the fact that most of the customers won't use anything close to what they've bought thats why it appears cheaper.

jonm76 12-18-2007 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 13530730)
You're right, Fuck no, with $40/hour you will get a well trained monkey.
If you want a real sysadmin you have to go from $80 and up.

$40 per hour is $100k per year. I think you can get a qualified sys admin (not senior) for about $75k per year. At least good enough to to handle an apache conf file.


Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 13530730)
Sure its average pricing but I think no host will spend 4 hours with you on the phone. Actually you have nothing to discuss on the phone other than make them aware of the problem and let them fix it, they're not there to hold you hand why you're trying to "fix" things.


I asked the support guy to explain the virtual hosts with apache and then fix what was wrong. Would it be better to have them fix it everytime? Faster if I do it myself.
Just like creating a database now, I know how to do this. I don't have to open a ticket like Snake does anymore.


Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 13530730)
Also the average pricing comes from the fact that most of the customers won't use anything close to what they've bought thats why it appears
cheaper.

Very true. I'm at 20 Mbps capped and my 95% is only at about 14.7 Mbps. Which makes it even more profitable for them. Which is why I would think for $500 I should get great support.

darksoul 12-18-2007 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonm76 (Post 13530764)
$40 per hour is $100k per year. I think you can get a qualified sys admin (not senior) for about $75k per year. At least good enough to to handle an apache conf file.

I bet he would've been good enough if he didn't have to tutor you for 4h.



Quote:

I asked the support guy to explain the virtual hosts with apache and then fix what was wrong. Would it be better to have them fix it everytime? Faster if I do it myself.
Just like creating a database now, I know how to do this. I don't have to open a ticket like Snake does anymore.
A tech is not a teacher. He's not supposed to teach you anything. If you want
to learn theres plenty of info on the net that you can use.
Just read a tutorial and you're set.
I think you should be thankful he had the patience to listen to you for 4h.
Any other tech would've pointed you to a tutorial and tell you to fuck off.


Quote:

Very true. I'm at 20 Mbps capped and my 95% is only at about 14.7 Mbps. Which makes it even more profitable for them. Which is why I would think for $500 I should get great support.
You're actually the worst type of customer. Good customers take care of what they know best and don't play the wannabe sysadmin which causes more bad than good as more than often you will break things and they'll have to fix them for you.

Anyway, this is getting offhand, do what you want. I was just trying to point
that you're not as profitable to them as you think and nobody will offer you the level of support you want at this price.
You can be realistic with yourself and try to work it out or go with the next host that will promise you the moon and fool yourself again.

V_RocKs 12-18-2007 08:16 AM

Looks tasty

minusonebit 12-18-2007 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 13526134)
No its not, lighttpd... can easily do 50Mbps.

lighthttpd rocks. I love it once I finally figured out how to translate its config files over from apache.

minusonebit 12-18-2007 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by split_joel (Post 13529940)
Once again you are speaking out of your ass. Have you been with every hosting company? Have you tried every single hosting company's support?

Our phone system can be called 24/7/365 and we have people on site to anserw calls. I do not care if its 9am or 2 in the morning someone will always be here to take a call. We have never kicked anyone out of our data center for putting to much a load on our services and when we say unlimited manage we do it. If you know anything about windows or linux and a customer needs something done its a pretty simple process. Also regarding the ticket note, tickets sometimes take a little longer to respond to depending on what the customer is asking for generally because our staff will get working on it right away but anyone can get an immediate response by contacting the 24/7/365 phone number listed on just about any real hosting company's website.

BTW, BUMP for a good deal.

Sorry about entering the thread, got no beef with you guys just minusonebit :thumbsup

I said many hosts shit for brains, not all hosts. And it is a common practice. Just read WHT for a couple of hours and you'll see just how common it is. Maybe not at yours and maybe not at mine... but it is out there. You have the reading comprehension of a pile of rotten pine needles in a compost pile. When did Split Infinity start hiring stupid people like you?

jonm76 12-18-2007 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 13530794)
Anyway, this is getting offhand, do what you want. I was just trying to point
that you're not as profitable to them as you think and nobody will offer you the level of support you want at this price.
You can be realistic with yourself and try to work it out or go with the next host that will promise you the moon and fool yourself again.

Ok, I thank you for your opinion. What would one think to pay to have more support (for what I want)? Or is what I'm looking for is hiring someone part time to take care of this stuff for me?

Your opinion does seem to be in pretty big conflict with others in GFY though. :2 cents: Some of these people are claiming that they get bandwidth for free and get unlimited support anytime day / night. Snake keeps saying his hosting provider will do anything within a few minutes 24/7/365. Are you saying that hosters like this are not really 24/7 without a much higher price tag?

TidalWave 12-18-2007 10:37 AM

loving all the hate :disgust

adultbandwidth 12-18-2007 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonm76 (Post 13529750)
Hey, where did you get this list?!?!? :Oh crap
I did not see HE offering data to S&D Reston.

I live in this local region as well..... I want to check this guy out!
How can I be part of this meeting?

Sorry I didn't see your post earlier today. I'd be glad to arrange a tour. Please use the contact us link on our site and we'll schedule an office visit and a tour for you. I have a few hours tomorrow (Wednesday) that would work for me.

For the record, I spent a few hours with Jim and pr0 this afternoon -- nice guys! I'm sure they'll post to this thread when they get a chance.

Techie Media 12-18-2007 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultbandwidth (Post 13533405)
Sorry I didn't see your post earlier today. I'd be glad to arrange a tour. Please use the contact us link on our site and we'll schedule an office visit and a tour for you. I have a few hours tomorrow (Wednesday) that would work for me.

For the record, I spent a few hours with Jim and pr0 this afternoon -- nice guys! I'm sure they'll post to this thread when they get a chance.



Russ it was a pleasure meeting you today and seeing your operation. For the record people I went to meet these guys because I was getting the gut feeling that they were not for real, and were some smalltime over committed reseller and basically I was prepared to "oust" them for just that. Well I have to tell all of you that was not the case. These guys have a very nice operation, office, and data centers. Yes it is true that they are taking a loss on some of the deals they are offering right now, but hey we have all done the same thing to break into a new market. I have nothing negative to say about Russ or his operation and in fact I can see TechieMedia and them doing some future business together.

It was also GREAT to see my good friend pr0 again, and I will not comment for him as I am sure he will chime in and add his 2cents regarding our meeting. OK now I must pack before the Mrs. beats my ass as we are leaving for Vacation in Disney in the morning.

Peace Out

Jim




.

adultbandwidth 12-18-2007 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Techie Media (Post 13533730)
Russ it was a pleasure meeting you today and seeing your operation. For the record people I went to meet these guys because I was getting the gut feeling that they were not for real, and were some smalltime over committed reseller and basically I was prepared to "oust" them for just that. Well I have to tell all of you that was not the case. These guys have a very nice operation, office, and data centers. Yes it is true that they are taking a loss on some of the deals they are offering right now, but hey we have all done the same thing to break into a new market. I have nothing negative to say about Russ or his operation and in fact I can see TechieMedia and them doing some future business together.

It was also GREAT to see my good friend pr0 again, and I will not comment for him as I am sure he will chime in and add his 2cents regarding our meeting. OK now I must pack before the Mrs. beats my ass as we are leaving for Vacation in Disney in the morning.

Peace Out

Jim

.

Jim, thanks. Great 2500th post :thumbsup. I appreciate your comments and confirming that we are in fact "real." It was a pleasure meeting you and I'm sure we'll be able to do some business in the future. For the record, I was also impressed with what you've told me about TechieMedia and your client list. It certainly sounds as though your clients are in good hands.

Once again, nice meeting you, and have a great time in Disney World!

pr0 12-18-2007 06:01 PM

Was a pleasure meeting you Russ.

Office had several employees working 6+ minimum that i saw, not including a smoking hot receptionist. Checked out one of the data centers....theres definitely several servers/racks/routers & clients hosted.

Russ overall seemed like he knew what he was talking about (at least was able to keep up with jim).

To summarize.... i would have to say this is probably a completely legitimate operation. And Russ seems like a nice/articulate businessman just trying to break into a new market. Couldn't read any bullshit from his words/eyes...& he doesn't exactly fit the profile of a poker player, so i think he's good to go.

Great seeing you as always Jim, look forward to the pool parties this summer :)

minusonebit 12-19-2007 01:53 AM

heh, my gut instinct was right again. It usually is. Bump for this guy who got shit on and doesn't deserve it.

pr0 12-19-2007 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit (Post 13535257)
heh, my gut instinct was right again. It usually is. Bump for this guy who got shit on and doesn't deserve it.

well he did have a VA state police/sheriff supporter sticker on his whip.....

but thats all i could find


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