Why are sales down? - RAPIDSHARE

[ElConquistador]

Not going to say who, and you can slam me and say drama/BS, etc. whatever, but I've been told the owners of Rapidshare are laughing all the way to the bank. This source estimates they're doing over 200k/day.

Let's face it, if you're a surfer what site offers as much bang for the buck as Rapidshare - where you can get stolen content from every site under the sun.

[jollyperv]

Something has got to be done

[ElConquistador]

Originally Posted by jollyperv

Something has got to be done

I agee, but what can anyone do? Outside of taking these torrent sites to court I don't think anything will be successful in halting their growth/popularity.

[gornyhuy]

Maybe we can start RapidShare2 that doesn't have as many pictures and is all R-rated teaser material. That will solve it.

[ez12]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Maybe we can start RapidShare2 that doesn't have as many pictures and is all R-rated teaser material. That will solve it.

Lets do it

[Emil]

How do I report stuff to Rapidshare so they'll delete it?

[scottybuzz]

nice site, great resource for all my free porn.

[pornguy]

The sad truth is, that it is not just things like rapid share that are bringing down sales. It is a LOT of things at the same time. Do the trading sites have an effect? Yes they do. But so does the economy, as well as the season, as well as the things like zango. With all this at the same time, sales and traffic are bound to drop.

[Fat Panda]

mother fuckers

[sweetcuties]

AS FUCKING USUAL, WE FUCK OURSELVES IN THE END!

So, Rapidshare and others make a fortune teaching the next generation to be freeloaders and leeches! Now, we've got a generation of people who feel their entitled to everything and anything for free

[ElConquistador]

Originally Posted by pornguy

The sad truth is, that it is not just things like rapid share that are bringing down sales. It is a LOT of things at the same time. Do the trading sites have an effect? Yes they do. But so does the economy, as well as the season, as well as the things like zango. With all this at the same time, sales and traffic are bound to drop.

The economy will eventually rebound, Xmas season only last a month, and Zango is already being rooted out to some degree.... Rapidshare and sites like it are here to stay.

[bobby666]

Originally Posted by Emil

How do I report stuff to Rapidshare so they'll delete it?

"Abuse-Management:

If you believe that your intellectual property rights have been infringed upon by one of our users, please contact us by sending an e-mail to [email protected].

Please note that we will only process complaints that meet the following requirements:
Please provide us with your name, address and telephone number.
Please describe the copyrighted work that is affected.
Describe the exact location of the infringing file by providing us with the exact RapidShare link (example: http://rapidshare.com/files/123456/example.jpg).
Add the web address under which the link has been published.
If your request applies to more than one RapidShare link please make sure that all links are complete.
Do not send attachments. Include the illegal file links directly in your message.

Please make sure you can receive messages on the e-mail address from which you contact us.

Anonymous or incomplete messages will not be processed. Thank you for your understanding."

[sweetcuties]

Originally Posted by sweetcuties

AS FUCKING USUAL, WE FUCK OURSELVES IN THE END!

So, Rapidshare and others make a fortune teaching the next generation to be freeloaders and leeches! Now, we've got a generation of people who feel their entitled to everything and anything for free

I need to bump my kick ass post

[d-null]

rapidshare is actually fairly good at taking stuff down when requested

many of the forums are feeling the pain of broken links, and are well aware of it, but unfortunately the forums are booming and they are still full of enough to keep the average wanker wanking for free

The worst part about it is the fact that the stolen content forums are getting really well indexed in the search rankings by google, so that any average newbie surfer is bound to run across a forum offering for free what they are looking for..... that is one of the biggest threats we have going now.... if the number 1 or 2 or 3rd result for the keyword you are targetting to try to sell membership to is pointing your customer to a forum where they can get your stolen content for free, it is a big problem

do a site search on google, bikinibikini has 57,000 pages indexed by google pornbb has 325,000 pages indexed etc etc

[ucv.karl]

Rapidshare is the new business model for all the douchebag lowlife bottom feeders.

And it's only going to get worse.

[Eman - PG]

$200k would mean they have 600,000 premium payment members. Let's not forget what the majority of Rapidshare's traffic. No worries, good ol Congress has a bill that would pretty much shut down this kinda shit.

[notoldschool]

Sales are not down. Your traffic is.

[Eman - PG]

Rapidshare is actually taking advantage (legally) of the DMCA act which holds service providers 'harmless' from the illegal copyright infringing actions of their users. There are only two ways to stop this:

1) change the DMCA which is what RIAA/MPAA lobbyist are trying to do
2) subpeona Rapdishare in Germany/Switzerland and start suing individual users on Rapidshare that upload copyright infringin content. I don't understand why RIAA/MPAA didn't go that route. I guess Rapdishare isn't in the spotlight enough like P2P.

[Horny Dude]

I think it is the free porn boards. You are def seeing more of them and they have members giving so much away. PornBB, Fritchy and such are full of links to full movies. There was another one that had so much free stuff, but it got shut down. Pretty sure the owners just bought another domain name and started another site.

[gornyhuy]

Come on you guys...
Remember when TGPs were killing the industry by giving away hardcore for free? Then it was MGPs, then it was password sites, then it was kazaa, etc etc etc.

Adapt and thrive.

[Eman - PG]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Come on you guys...
Remember when TGPs were killing the industry by giving away hardcore for free? Then it was MGPs, then it was password sites, then it was kazaa, etc etc etc.

Adapt and thrive.

Yeah the rules of engagement have changed.

- TGPs were giving away limited amounts of porn and advertising paysites
- MGPs were giving away 30 second movies and advertising paysites
- Kazaa was giving away full movies but it was somewhat inconvenient, more techy and slow to download. I doubt as many US ppl are using Kazaa anymore after the lawsuits.
- 95% of passwords sites were operated by affiliates and programs and the passwords were limited, demos or expired. Sparta & similar programs kinda nuked the whole sharing thing.

Now Rapdishare/Megaporn/Megarotic are giving away full DVD movies, full paysite movie rips, full paysite rips and are upselling their own memberships. How exactly do you adapt to that?

Let me paint a different picture. If Burgerking decided to start giving away burgers that they stole from Wendy's, what could McDonald's to prevent their business from falling apart.

[sweetcuties]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Come on you guys...
Remember when TGPs were killing the industry by giving away hardcore for free? Then it was MGPs, then it was password sites, then it was kazaa, etc etc etc.

Adapt and thrive.

This has to be one of the most ignorant things I've heard and I keep hearing from a few. Adapt to leeches stealing our content and posting them all over the fucking place

[ElConquistador]

Originally Posted by Eman - PG

Let me paint a different picture. If Burgerking decided to start giving away burgers that they stole from Wendy's, what could McDonald's to prevent their business from falling apart.

I dunno but now I'm hungry for lunch!

Seriously though, you're dead right. The rules have changed and it's not "adapt and survive" it's "fight to survive". If anyone plans on making revenues increase for legitimate paysites/affiliates, then the theives and scam artists have to be run out of business.


I bet we'd see an effect if just these 3 were eliminated (and nothing took their place)
Megarotic
PirateBay
Rapidshare

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Eman - PG

Now Rapdishare/Megaporn/Megarotic are giving away full DVD movies, full paysite movie rips, full paysite rips and are upselling their own memberships. How exactly do you adapt to that?

by promoting cams and dating, and then looking into maistream, I'm doing it and so should everybody else

[anotherf]

To stop Rapidshare crack the site give away the passwords so people stop paying for the downloads. Beat them at there own game.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by anotherf

To stop Rapidshare crack the site give away the passwords so people stop paying for the downloads. Beat them at there own game.

Hmm. Interesting idea But is there any LEGAL way to screw the fucking pirates? Personally I consider rapidshare much more dangerous than torrent sites.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by Antonio

by promoting cams and dating, and then looking into maistream, I'm doing it and so should everybody else

I hear you, i really think the online adult biz is 'dying' now

obviously i dont mean perfect gonzo will go out of business or so, but overall all the current trends indicate that it will be harder and harder to make money selling porn online for the small simple guy with no IT background, working from his home, trying to promote porn paysites for a living with the traditional methods

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Come on you guys...
Remember when TGPs were killing the industry by giving away hardcore for free? Then it was MGPs, then it was password sites, then it was kazaa, etc etc etc.

Adapt and thrive.

This is the most stupid statement I heard today. Congrats to a winner.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Come on you guys...
Remember when TGPs were killing the industry by giving away hardcore for free? Then it was MGPs, then it was password sites, then it was kazaa, etc etc etc.

Adapt and thrive.

and now its all of those plus torrents

[don cabron]

Originally Posted by jetjet

The worst part about it is the fact that the stolen content forums are getting really well indexed in the search rankings by google, so that any average newbie surfer is bound to run across a forum offering for free what they are looking for..... that is one of the biggest threats we have going now.... if the number 1 or 2 or 3rd result for the keyword you are targetting to try to sell membership to is pointing your customer to a forum where they can get your stolen content for free, it is a big problem

do a site search on google, bikinibikini has 57,000 pages indexed by google pornbb has 325,000 pages indexed etc etc

AMEN, I can't belive more people haven't noticed this

[jay23]

190 Gigabit/s of Internet connectivity and 4 Petabytes of storage

[thonglife]

Originally Posted by jollyperv

Something has got to be done

I agree.. unfortunately those hoping something gets done and those doing something are far and few.

[thonglife]

If I was to receive a sufficient grant from someone, I could make this this one go away. I've already test my theory.

[JohnnyJames]

Needs to be a more international effort, and that is gonna be a bitch, considering most countries cannot agree on simple things, and they are always looking to one-up each other diplomatically to score points.

I hate it.

It's as though the burglars are allowed to come into my home, steal all my shit, and then it is MY job to track em down and say: Please return my things (which have already been replicated and sent onward) or I will sue you.

Horseshit.

[thonglife]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

Needs to be a more international effort, and that is gonna be a bitch, considering most countries cannot agree on simple things, and they are always looking to one-up each other diplomatically to score points.

I hate it.

It's as though the burglars are allowed to come into my home, steal all my shit, and then it is MY job to track em down and say: Please return my things (which have already been replicated and sent onward) or I will sue you.

Horseshit.

Hire a security guard... The police aren't doing their jobs

[ElConquistador]

Originally Posted by thonglife

If I was to receive a sufficient grant from someone, I could make this this one go away. I've already test my theory.

please explain.

[stev0]

Originally Posted by Antonio

by promoting cams and dating, and then looking into maistream, I'm doing it and so should everybody else

That's a pretty ridiculous way to think of it... if you own a store and someone is stealing from you, you would say "oh well" and start selling something else? Of course not, you should catch the fucker doing it and hold them responsible.

[JohnnyJames]

Originally Posted by thonglife

Hire a security guard... The police aren't doing their jobs

Can you recommend a good one?

Honestly?

Other than the industry banding together in some fashion, I don't know. . .

I would toss my few tiny bucks into a larger effort, collectively, with the industry, if we could hire a "security guard" to do something substantial. Would be a legal effort I suppose, and require the little guys and big guys to all be part of it.

I don't see it happening.

But you alluded to a possible solution that you had conceived. Enlighten us. Maybe it's not too late.

[stev0]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

Can you recommend a good one?

Honestly?

Other than the industry banding together in some fashion, I don't know. . .

I would toss my few tiny bucks into a larger effort, collectively, with the industry, if we could hire a "security guard" to do something substantial. Would be a legal effort I suppose, and require the little guys and big guys to all be part of it.

I don't see it happening.

But you alluded to a possible solution that you had conceived. Enlighten us. Maybe it's not too late.

Could be a good business opportunity for someone... the RIAA has hired lots of outside companies to cut down on piracy, bigger programs would have no problem hiring one of these types of companies to locate their stolen content online. Probably make the cost back in lawsuits as well.

[thonglife]

Originally Posted by ElConquistador

please explain.

Remove the content... remove the usage.. I wiped out 50 pages in their XXX movie threads back in the first week of November. Not only did it stop the usage cold, it actually started to decline. I spent 5 days at it working for nothing. Sorry but I can't work for free anymore. that was nothing... I can sink this board but it would take a lot of time and time is money ya know.

[thonglife]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

Can you recommend a good one?

Honestly?

Other than the industry banding together in some fashion, I don't know. . .

I would toss my few tiny bucks into a larger effort, collectively, with the industry, if we could hire a "security guard" to do something substantial. Would be a legal effort I suppose, and require the little guys and big guys to all be part of it.

I don't see it happening.

But you alluded to a possible solution that you had conceived. Enlighten us. Maybe it's not too late.

See sig. As more money is pooled, the effort grows larger and not only does your content become protected, other campaigns are coordinated by taking down forums. I am actively taking down some smaller boards right now.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by thonglife

See sig. As more money is pooled, the effort grows larger and not only does your content become protected, other campaigns are coordinated by taking down forums. I am actively taking down some smaller boards right now.

thonglife is right

the priorities should be on the forums, the torrent sites are bad, but the forums are the ones that will destroy the business as we know it

it is actually surprising how much of an effect a small amount of effort actually can have

(as far as the torrents go, a strategy to go after and prosecute some of the users might go a long way in scaring their base away, all downloaders are also seeders in the process, so the risk of downloading stolen content should be the possibility of having to face legal troubles that would be public record)

[d-null]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

Needs to be a more international effort....

I agree with you, Sweden needs to come on board with the rest of the civilized world in protecting ownership of created works

The sad thing though, is one of the biggest theftsite forum boards (pornbb) is hosted right in the U.S.A. (California I believe)

and to answer the 'dating and cams' thing, there is no way that this is a long term solution for an entire industry.. as the customer base gets jaded I doubt the dating market will bring in the money to support all the hungry adult webmasters, and cams are good but really are still just a niche in comparison to the much greater surfer hunger for video

[thonglife]

Originally Posted by jetjet

I agree with you, Sweden needs to come on board with the rest of the civilized world in protecting ownership of created works

The sad thing though, is one of the biggest theftsite forum boards (pornbb) is hosted right in the U.S.A. (California I believe)

and to answer the 'dating and cams' thing, there is no way that this is a long term solution for an entire industry.. as the customer base gets jaded I doubt the dating market will bring in the money to support all the hungry adult webmasters, and cams are good but really are still just a niche in comparison to the much greater surfer hunger for video

There is an active investigation at IC3.gov regarding them: ID: I0711121850091871. I asked for studios and paysites to search for their content and send me their information to add to the filing. I received two emails.. sadly it's quite appherent there is no interest.‏

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Sales are not down. Your traffic is.

actually yes , sales in the porn industry are on the decline for the first year ever.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by thonglife

There is an active investigation at IC3.gov regarding them: ID: I0711121850091871. I asked for studios and paysites to search for their content and send me their information to add to the filing. I received two emails.. sadly it's quite appherent there is no interest.‏

It is depressing for affiliates to hear of apathy from the sponsors.

As part of doing business, some miniscule percentage of their efforts (money or time) should be devoted to protection of their properties.

[thonglife]

Originally Posted by jetjet

It is depressing for affiliates to hear of apathy from the sponsors.

As part of doing business, some miniscule percentage of their efforts (money or time) should be devoted to protection of their properties.

On that note, I must give some props out to FLESHLIGHT for dropping Forumophilia as an affiliate. As we are well aware, there are a number of sponsors who turn a blind eye to this sort of traffic, however, FLESHLIGHT stepped up. .

[Red Ezra]

i took my site down - hated doing it but until there is a solution i am offline but still shooting

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

i noticed it today researching some sologirl stuff i had planned on promoting. peac hyfor um has top 5 position on several sologirl names right now in google. i kept seeing it over and over again, full sets and vids easily downloaded. we definitely need to petition google to do something about banning sites proven to promote the piracy of copyrighted content...

Unless some government support issues us all heavier legal support, we're just going to go on feeling the hurt. perhaps we need the support of an organization with the power of icann. someone who can step in and just say "ok, you're done" and simply pull the plug on them. take their domain and drop them out on their asses...

eventually piracy will run a whole lot of people into the ground if something isn't done. its gotta be hurting program ownersoverall, but battling spyware, pirates, and everything else is making it next to impossible to make it as an affiliate if you aren't already established....

[thonglife]

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

i noticed it today researching some sologirl stuff i had planned on promoting. peac hyfor um has top 5 position on several sologirl names right now in google. i kept seeing it over and over again, full sets and vids easily downloaded. we definitely need to petition google to do something about banning sites proven to promote the piracy of copyrighted content...

Unless some government support issues us all heavier legal support, we're just going to go on feeling the hurt. perhaps we need the support of an organization with the power of icann. someone who can step in and just say "ok, you're done" and simply pull the plug on them. take their domain and drop them out on their asses...

eventually piracy will run a whole lot of people into the ground if something isn't done. its gotta be hurting program ownersoverall, but battling spyware, pirates, and everything else is making it next to impossible to make it as an affiliate if you aren't already established....

That just gave me an idea. Am I reading this right? This would apply to pornbb.
Section 1.2 Top-Level Domain. The Top-Level Domain to which this Agreement applies is .org ("TLD").
http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements...mt-08dec06.htm

2. 1(a) Organization; Due Authorization and Execution. Registry Operator is a non-profit corporation, duly organized, validly existing and in good standing under the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania,

They are violating both of these by collecting revenues from adbrite and obviously involved in illegal file distribution. Isn't this solid ground for petitioning ICANN to drop them?