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L-Pink 12-10-2007 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MOCKBA (Post 13495067)
he'll be out in 3 month. mark my words.
Nope, this is Federal not state. He will have to serve the first year in full. The remainder of his sentence is subject to a max of 15% reduction for good behavior.


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baddog 12-10-2007 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13494540)
What Michael Vick did was somewhat barbaric and immoral, but legally he did nothing wrong.
Is dog fighting legal where you live? It isn't where Vick lives.

Jimmy Rock 12-10-2007 12:01 PM
i'd like to see a vote on the percentage of people who think he'll play again after he gets out

Gianna_CECash 12-10-2007 12:01 PM
Who us Michael Vick??

baddog 12-10-2007 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13495081)
These laws can be challenged.
Until then, they are still laws.

starpimps 12-10-2007 12:04 PM
vick = dumb fuck

i herd a guy named tyrone will be his cell mate, and he loves to be the qb

Pleasurepays 12-10-2007 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13495081)
These laws can be challenged. It just takes too much time and money to do so. Vick would have zero public support and waste his best years of his life in court.

Think about all the fucked up porn laws....you need money and time to fight them to get them overturned. And they do get overturned when found unconstitional.
i am not talking about changing the law. i am talking about the endless list of laws that were in fact broken... and knowingly broken.

again... the law is the law. you don't have the right to decide which laws you will abide by, which laws you'll challenge etc.

dog fighting is federal and illegal in all 50 states. end of story. Vick still faces state charges.

you sophmoric, 8th grade analysis of the law and morality in society and inconsistencies and irrationalities of human behaviors and legal consequences are cute .... you even through Jesus in there for safe measure.... nice. but have ZERO to do with TODAY. right now. what the law is... and the consequences of breaking that law and the massive list of laws which were in fact broken whether or not you agree with raping, torturing, abusing and killing animals is fine or not.

seeric 12-10-2007 12:10 PM
i think that they should bring back the old roman gladiator times and use the guys on death row that are child molesters and killers. you could sell out the biggest stadiums in the world if you let loose some lions on some asshole that killed and raped a kid. people are gorish by nature. i guarantee you people would pay top dollar to watch something like that, and imagine the ppv revenue.

:thumbsup:1orglaugh

bronco67 12-10-2007 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13494540)
Dog years...that was funny. I am going to jump out on a limb and take Michael Vick's side on this. How many dogs and cats are put to sleep in the us each year due to overpopulation? In the neighborhood of 25 million! And that doesn't count the numbers that die of starvation, disease, the elements or being hit by cars. That's almost 69,000 a day. We probably kill billions of chickens, cows, and other animals for food. We enslave wild animals for zoos and carnivals (science and entertainment). We also kill hundreds of millions to further scientic research for the benefit of mankind. Go to the horse races and we shoot a horse on the spot when it breaks its leg. What Michael Vick did was somewhat barbaric and immoral, but legally he did nothing wrong. There was gambling and entertainment value in his endevors. In many cultures this is an accepted form of entertainment. If I had a cockroach fighting a centipede on a webcam would I be arrested? Where do you draw the line? (Is my only point). Also what if these dog fights had some religious significance? Even in the bible there's undeniable proof that an animals' lives were expendable. There was countless sacrifices in the New and Old Testament and even Jesus himself took a demon from a possessed teen and cast it into 12 swine (proving one human life is worth more than 12 pigs.) People have different comfort levels but at the end of the day, we kill animals for MANY reasons and Michael Vick has been extremely cooperative during this whole process and it only hurt him more. Another example of the white man keeping the black man down. I now wear a fur hat and almost bought a fox jacket yesterday. I am trying to find a place that sells American Eagle omlettes and baby seal sausage for breakfast. I am anti-animals, pro humans. I hope Vick works out 20hrs a day, doesn't get raped and comes back to be the most unstoppable force in the NFL. (I know he's banned, but they will have to take him back after he did "his time", mark my words.
I have to say I agree with you. I LOVE my dog(just got a chocolate lab) and animals in general, but to me they still are animals. Is it cruel what happened to those dogs? Yes. But life is cruel.

We can't put animals on the same level with humans. In Vick's culture, it's a normal thing. I say fine him big time and give him 3 months. The stigma alone is enough to really hurt him and his career.

Pleasurepays 12-10-2007 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 13495071)
as black man you know how shit is skewed against people of color - why no cracker white trash asses gong down for this shit?
uhmm... just guessing, i would say its because your a black man looking for situations where you feel black people are being picked on to validate your own biased views.

white people go to jail constantly for this. in fact, i would say its mostly a white trash thing to do and usually white trash, hillbilly, inbred rednecks doing it and going to jail for it.


maybe i should be taking your stance and demanding to know why white trash hillbillies aren't being fairly represented in this case. they are obviously being discriminated against.

G-Rotica 12-10-2007 12:13 PM
50 dog killers

UFGators2007 12-10-2007 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Rock (Post 13495109)
i'd like to see a vote on the percentage of people who think he'll play again after he gets out
Look at how many of his supporters were waiting outside the courthouse during his trial. He was getting a good amount of support from those uneducated bastards. I would bet that you could get a decent amount of people out there that still believe he should be allowed to play ball.

Look at it this way, if he does manage to have to serve actual time in jail, he can still play ball. More than likely some 300-400lb brute is gonna make Vick his tight end. I hope Vick likes playing face down in the shower for a couple seasons. Enjoy your sentence...ya bastard.

G-Rotica 12-10-2007 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 13495071)
as black man you know how shit is skewed against people of color - why no cracker white trash asses gong down for this shit?
When did black become people of color? What color?

Cracker white trash sounds a little racist to me.

CamJack 12-10-2007 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 13495140)
you sophmoric, 8th grade analysis
Did you mean, "Your sophomoric, 8th grade analysis.....?"

Aside from poor grammar and misspellings, this is redundantly repetitive :)

CamJack 12-10-2007 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 13495157)
i think that they should bring back the old roman gladiator times and use the guys on death row that are child molesters and killers. you could sell out the biggest stadiums in the world if you let loose some lions on some asshole that killed and raped a kid. people are gorish by nature. i guarantee you people would pay top dollar to watch something like that, and imagine the ppv revenue.

:thumbsup:1orglaugh
AGREED 1 MILLION PERCENT

Gerco 12-10-2007 12:45 PM
Let him burn. I only wish they would have made it harder/longer. The guys a total looser... To think that some idiots STILL look up to him is sickening. To even try to make this a race thing is just another attempt of a small mind grasping for straws at a lost fight. I hope he ends up selling candy bars on the side of the road so someone can accidentally hit him with a fucking truck.

Anyone even remotely standing up for this sick fuck is someone I would never do business with.

Pics Traffic 12-10-2007 12:47 PM
dis ni-g-a is inozent!

tranza 12-10-2007 12:54 PM
How long before he starts playing on the NFL again?

Bojangles 12-10-2007 01:12 PM
He will play again.

swoop 12-10-2007 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13494540)
I am going to jump out on a limb and take Michael Vick's side on this.

What Michael Vick did was somewhat barbaric and immoral, but legally he did nothing wrong. There was gambling and entertainment value in his endevors. In many cultures this is an accepted form of entertainment. If I had a cockroach fighting a centipede on a webcam would I be arrested? Where do you draw the line? (Is my only point). Also what if these dog fights had some religious significance?
Wow, you are a dope. Didn't do anything wrong legally? I guess that's why he pleaded guilty and dog fighting isn't legal, btw.

And your boxing analogy is great, but boxers go into the ring knowing their job of trying to punch the other guy out and they know that they could die. Now what dog do you know that turned to their owner and said "ok, here i go and yes I know I might die."

CamJack 12-10-2007 03:23 PM
You all misunderstood my 'legal' angle. It is illegal, I understand that. I am questioning the validity of those laws. They could easily be challenged. Here are some double standards:

Boxers box each other for money, gambling, entertainment. That's two humans fighting. The dogs don't HAVE to fight each other, they just DO. It could be argued that the dog fighting trained a dog for better protection like a sparing match for bozers.

Horses are forced to race each other and beaten with whips to perform.

Think of animals taken from their natural habitat and enslaved for carnivals or zoos. They generally all go insane from depression.

What about the cows and chickens SLAUGHTERED every day, watch some documentaries on those conditions, you might become a vegetarian.

My point is this. Fuck animals. Survival of the fittest. Animals should be used for food, clothes, transportion, entertainment, anything that we want. If a human goes out into the wild a lion would eat him faster than you could say Lion King. Listen, I am not some maniac that wants to go out and kill animals for no reason, but a dog is property, not a being. Why is killing a fly, mosquito, catching a fish, killing a mouse in your house, hunting deer, etc any different? Where do you draw the line? Seriously if I did rat fighting would anyone care? Is it the size of the animal that makes all the difference?

baddog 12-10-2007 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13496287)
The dogs don't HAVE to fight each other, they just DO.
wow, am at a loss for words

L-Pink 12-10-2007 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13496287)
My point is this. Fuck animals.
My dog says ... FUCK YOU!



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Pleasurepays 12-10-2007 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13496287)
You all misunderstood my 'legal' angle. It is illegal, I understand that. I am questioning the validity of those laws. They could easily be challenged. Here are some double standards:

Boxers box each other for money, gambling, entertainment. That's two humans fighting. The dogs don't HAVE to fight each other, they just DO. It could be argued that the dog fighting trained a dog for better protection like a sparing match for bozers.

Horses are forced to race each other and beaten with whips to perform.

Think of animals taken from their natural habitat and enslaved for carnivals or zoos. They generally all go insane from depression.

What about the cows and chickens SLAUGHTERED every day, watch some documentaries on those conditions, you might become a vegetarian.
all 100&#37; irrelevant. people create laws based on the times. sometimes they are irrational, sometimes illogical, sometimes totally arbitrary. just because one 18 year old is more or less mature than another doesn't mean there isn't a need to draw a line in the sand and say "once you are XX yrs old, you are considered an adult" for determining when a person should and should not be held accountable for their actions or if they can vote, drink, drive or whatever.

you keep trying to point out contradictions in human behavior as if no one understands this. ... as if you just figured something out that no one caught on to yet. my guess is that you are very young.

besides, the dogs DO have to fight each other. do you understand what they go through to be made vicious? do you understand that Vicks property had like 40 corpses of dogs that just weren't up to the task or lost and were tortured and killed? are you now suggesting that two pit bulls, trained to fight, started, made mean and then thrown into a fight to the death have the option of just laying down and not fighting? they should just talk about it? hug it out?


i personally don't care much about animals at all. they are just that.. animals. they are not people. a cat would just as quickly shit on your corpse as they would come up to you purring and wanting to be scratched... but talking about someone who knowingly broke a dozen state and federal laws and saying "well, its not a big deal because those laws are stupid" doesn't abdicate him from any responsibility for his breaking those laws. ... and NO ONE has the right to choose which laws they like, which they don't, which they will obey and which they will not. you are either breaking the law, or you aren't.

Quentin 12-10-2007 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13496287)
My point is this. Fuck animals.
I must have missed that website in your program's portfolio.

- Q.

PornMogul 12-10-2007 04:44 PM
wow hes gona be a gangsta gay fa sho

dynastoned 12-10-2007 04:51 PM
what he did isn't worth jail time to me. although id never kill a dog like he did. it just doesn't grant jail time in my opinion. fines sure, but jail time no. just because dogs are domesticated pets shouldn't make them any different than killing a bluejay with a bb gun. jail time for killing any animal unless protected under the endangered species act is retarded in my opinion.

VeriSexy 12-10-2007 05:55 PM
He was sure made an example of

Spunky 12-10-2007 06:05 PM
Basically a slap on the wrist..wonder how his career will suffer from it

swoop 12-10-2007 06:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13496287)
You all misunderstood my 'legal' angle. It is illegal, I understand that. I am questioning the validity of those laws. They could easily be challenged. Here are some double standards:

Boxers box each other for money, gambling, entertainment. That's two humans fighting. The dogs don't HAVE to fight each other, they just DO. It could be argued that the dog fighting trained a dog for better protection like a sparing match for bozers.
Seriously, you can't be this dumb?? The dogs weren't trained to fight for protection, there is evidence that these morons were betting on the dogs to fight until the death of the other dog. Again, dog fighting is illegal. This isn't a double standard.

Quote:
but a dog is property, not a being. Why is killing a fly, mosquito, catching a fish, killing a mouse in your house, hunting deer, etc any different? Where do you draw the line? Seriously if I did rat fighting would anyone care? Is it the size of the animal that makes all the difference?
A dog is generally known as a pet. Do you know anyone that keeps flies or a mouse as a bet?

baddog 12-10-2007 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by swoop (Post 13497136)
Seriously, you can't be this dumb?? The dogs weren't trained to fight for protection, there is evidence that these morons were betting on the dogs to fight until the death of the other dog. Again, dog fighting is illegal. This isn't a double standard.



A dog is generally known as a pet. Do you know anyone that keeps flies or a mouse as a bet?
Cockfighting is illegal too. And yeah, I have know people to have mice (and rats) as pets.

I seem to recall an episode of Malcolm in the Middle where Dewey had a fly for a pet . . . so guess it is possible.

HeadPimp 12-10-2007 07:09 PM
I will put one more set of comments on this.

#1 - Shouldn't he be banned from the NFL for his association with gambling? Dog fighting is about gambling and illegal. I would think that is enough to warrant banning him.

#2 - He deserves pretty much the worst punishment that you can think of if for no other reason than putting a multi-million dollar career in the shitter, just to fight dogs! It isn't like he was going to make millions fighting dogs, so WTF??? Did he need more fame and street cred? No, he was a fuck-tard that screwed himself out of ~$50,000,000. For that he should be taken out and beaten with bamboo. Stupidity on that level should be very painful!

SomeCreep 12-10-2007 07:29 PM
On its Web site Monday, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution estimated that Vick has incurred financial losses of $142 million, including $71 million in Falcons salary, $50 million in endorsement income and nearly $20 million in previously paid bonuses.

tony286 12-10-2007 07:35 PM
it wasnt just dog fighting, the sick fuck tortured dogs to death who wouldnt fight.Drowning and hanging them himself fuck him.

Arkantiger 12-10-2007 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13494540)
Dog years...that was funny. I am going to jump out on a limb and take Michael Vick's side on this. How many dogs and cats are put to sleep in the us each year due to overpopulation? In the neighborhood of 25 million! And that doesn't count the numbers that die of starvation, disease, the elements or being hit by cars. That's almost 69,000 a day. We probably kill billions of chickens, cows, and other animals for food. We enslave wild animals for zoos and carnivals (science and entertainment). We also kill hundreds of millions to further scientic research for the benefit of mankind. Go to the horse races and we shoot a horse on the spot when it breaks its leg. What Michael Vick did was somewhat barbaric and immoral, but legally he did nothing wrong. There was gambling and entertainment value in his endevors. In many cultures this is an accepted form of entertainment. If I had a cockroach fighting a centipede on a webcam would I be arrested? Where do you draw the line? (Is my only point). Also what if these dog fights had some religious significance? Even in the bible there's undeniable proof that an animals' lives were expendable. There was countless sacrifices in the New and Old Testament and even Jesus himself took a demon from a possessed teen and cast it into 12 swine (proving one human life is worth more than 12 pigs.) People have different comfort levels but at the end of the day, we kill animals for MANY reasons and Michael Vick has been extremely cooperative during this whole process and it only hurt him more. Another example of the white man keeping the black man down. I now wear a fur hat and almost bought a fox jacket yesterday. I am trying to find a place that sells American Eagle omlettes and baby seal sausage for breakfast. I am anti-animals, pro humans. I hope Vick works out 20hrs a day, doesn't get raped and comes back to be the most unstoppable force in the NFL. (I know he's banned, but they will have to take him back after he did "his time", mark my words.

would kinda agree with u there :thumbsup

Xrated J 12-10-2007 08:42 PM
he shold have gotten more

dav3 12-10-2007 10:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynastoned (Post 13496696)
just because dogs are domesticated pets shouldn't make them any different than killing a bluejay with a bb gun.
I guess that would depend on what your state bird is.

beemk 12-11-2007 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13495046)
People have died in the boxing ring (sport/entertainment). People probably will dying with this UFC craze going on.

Someone will die on Survivor one year and it will be the highest ratings ever. People are blood thirsty. Remember the Running Man movie? It will soon all come to that.

THOSE ARE HUMANS, HUMAN LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANIMALS.

But I am 100% for humans killing each other for sport/gambling/entertainment if both parties are consenting. I don't think it would work in the United States, but there is always some small island interested in making money. And that will be the beauty of the internet.
thats the difference, those humans agreed to it long before it happened. you're comparing someone who didnt want to fight and were forced to (the dogs).

thats like saying adults having consenting sex is the same as a lady getting raped down a dark alley by a rapist.

jscott 12-11-2007 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13494540)
Dog years...that was funny. I am going to jump out on a limb and take Michael Vick's side on this. How many dogs and cats are put to sleep in the us each year due to overpopulation? In the neighborhood of 25 million! And that doesn't count the numbers that die of starvation, disease, the elements or being hit by cars. That's almost 69,000 a day. We probably kill billions of chickens, cows, and other animals for food. We enslave wild animals for zoos and carnivals (science and entertainment). We also kill hundreds of millions to further scientic research for the benefit of mankind. Go to the horse races and we shoot a horse on the spot when it breaks its leg. What Michael Vick did was somewhat barbaric and immoral, but legally he did nothing wrong. There was gambling and entertainment value in his endevors. In many cultures this is an accepted form of entertainment. If I had a cockroach fighting a centipede on a webcam would I be arrested? Where do you draw the line? (Is my only point). Also what if these dog fights had some religious significance? Even in the bible there's undeniable proof that an animals' lives were expendable. There was countless sacrifices in the New and Old Testament and even Jesus himself took a demon from a possessed teen and cast it into 12 swine (proving one human life is worth more than 12 pigs.) People have different comfort levels but at the end of the day, we kill animals for MANY reasons and Michael Vick has been extremely cooperative during this whole process and it only hurt him more. Another example of the white man keeping the black man down. I now wear a fur hat and almost bought a fox jacket yesterday. I am trying to find a place that sells American Eagle omlettes and baby seal sausage for breakfast. I am anti-animals, pro humans. I hope Vick works out 20hrs a day, doesn't get raped and comes back to be the most unstoppable force in the NFL. (I know he's banned, but they will have to take him back after he did "his time", mark my words.
I'd love for you to die a same death as any 1 of those Michael Vick dogs you stupid fuck, your words are well spoken with ignorance

and those that agree, you too are idiots, so many unintelligent idiots in this thread


thank god Vick is sentenced to 23months and i too hope he gets gang raped in jail, i doubt it will happen but i would VERY much hope so, even better if somebody murders his fucking ass!

jscott 12-11-2007 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 13496287)
You all misunderstood my 'legal' angle. It is illegal, I understand that. I am questioning the validity of those laws. They could easily be challenged. Here are some double standards:

Boxers box each other for money, gambling, entertainment. That's two humans fighting. The dogs don't HAVE to fight each other, they just DO. It could be argued that the dog fighting trained a dog for better protection like a sparing match for bozers.

Horses are forced to race each other and beaten with whips to perform.

Think of animals taken from their natural habitat and enslaved for carnivals or zoos. They generally all go insane from depression.

What about the cows and chickens SLAUGHTERED every day, watch some documentaries on those conditions, you might become a vegetarian.

My point is this. Fuck animals. Survival of the fittest. Animals should be used for food, clothes, transportion, entertainment, anything that we want. If a human goes out into the wild a lion would eat him faster than you could say Lion King. Listen, I am not some maniac that wants to go out and kill animals for no reason, but a dog is property, not a being. Why is killing a fly, mosquito, catching a fish, killing a mouse in your house, hunting deer, etc any different? Where do you draw the line? Seriously if I did rat fighting would anyone care? Is it the size of the animal that makes all the difference?
wow, i hope you do society a favor and die a horrible death very soon

i'm serious, i really hope that :disgust


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