Ideal TGP Server Setup - Your Ideas - GoFuckYourself.com

Doug E · 12-05-2007, 05:30 AM

I recently read a thread by boneprone about him looking for advice on a server. In it a 3 server setup was mentioned for running a tgp. One for thumbs, one for mysql and the other I assume for the site templates themselves.

For a thumbs server what do the pros recommend?

Same question for the mysql server and the 3rd.

If only doing a 2 server setup would it be better to have the thumbs on the second server or the mysql databases?

rowan · 12-05-2007, 06:01 AM

3 servers to run a single TGP sounds unusual, unless it had a shitload of traffic. Otherwise, that solution is either extremely overengineered, or necessary because the scripts are doing something to cause excessive load.

justFred · 12-05-2007, 06:08 AM

my tgp runs on a server with 2400 other sites on the same IP

but I certainly dont have boneprone's traffic.

IMO with 2 servers the SQL should have its own

justFred · 12-05-2007, 06:33 AM

I just realized how stupid it was to use that number. I knew it was off but at 5am I don't care much.

2400 is the number of servers on the external IP address. I'll assume they run a NAT (laymen: a network of computers) and so I don't know how many sites are hosted on the same machine... BUT I know it's not alone. And that was my point.

infecto · 12-05-2007, 06:39 AM

Even a 100k tgp can run fine on a single dedicated machine.

rowan · 12-05-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by justFred

I just realized how stupid it was to use that number. I knew it was off but at 5am I don't care much.

2400 is the number of servers on the external IP address. I'll assume they run a NAT (laymen: a network of computers) and so I don't know how many sites are hosted on the same machine... BUT I know it's not alone. And that was my point.

Which hosts use NAT on web servers?

I expect it will become commonplace as the IP registries crack down on flagrant allocations (eg people paying $1/IP/mo so they can put their 30 sites on a single IP each) but I haven't actually seen it in practice yet...

tranza · 12-05-2007, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan

unless it had a shitload of traffic

Bingo!

justFred · 12-05-2007, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Which hosts use NAT on web servers?

don't know, but

Quote:

There are 2470 domains hosted on this IP address.

http://www.domaintools.com/reverse-ip/ type in sexyoptions.com

and my host is aplus.net

rowan · 12-05-2007, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justFred

don't know, but

http://www.domaintools.com/reverse-ip/ type in sexyoptions.com

and my host is aplus.net

Ah, that's just a standard virtual web server then. It's possible that there really are 2400 sites served by that machine, although it may involve some extra magic such as attached network storage.

Ycaza · 12-05-2007, 10:25 AM

All sort of depends on what kind of traffic. Add to it, what you want to do, pics, videos etc. one machine can do great, and then again 3 machines can be too little. You need something tailored to your needs.

boneprone · 12-05-2007, 01:48 PM

We are moving things into less servers with the newer high powered servers as we speak.

As for load balancing it all depends on your amount of trafic and the scripts you run.

In my case I have to split things up. Also some of the larger thumbsites do as well. I dont want to give away their secrets down to the last detial, but its no secret now days that they split shit up..

People have been doing this for years. Thumbzilla's old owners were masters of this. And they didnt even really have thumbs or graphics!

Most hosts or techs at the hosting companies will try to tell you its not needed. But trust me it is. Myseld along with other webmasters have seen significant % changes in traffic when its done. Most programers of these scripts will agree.

But now days the servers are quite strong. You can put more in them than you ever could. And you can spilt them up in seprate HDs rather than seprate servers

QTbucks_Mark · 12-05-2007, 03:28 PM

It really depends on what software you'll be using, but with a well configured server I don't think separate machines are necessary. You'd have to have either a shitload of traffic (thehun sized or something like that) or scripts that aren't supposed to handle lots of traffic.

Having a dedicated webserver for thumbs makes sense, as does splitting request across multiple subdomains, but you can do this on a single server as long as it has enough power to handle it.

So, unless MySQL or resource intensive PHP scripts eat up your CPU or I/O you could do something like this: Apache to deliver your regular website, on a second IP address Lighttpd or Apache (MPM worker instead of prefork) for thumb-delivery, possibly using multiple subdomains so your average browser makes more simultaneous request, MySQL chugging along in the background.

Todays server with something like 4-16 CPU cores and tons of RAM can handle quite a lot if you know what you're doing, but it really depends on what exactly you want to do.

12-05-2007, 05:30 AM	#1
Doug E Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 511	Ideal TGP Server Setup - Your Ideas I recently read a thread by boneprone about him looking for advice on a server. In it a 3 server setup was mentioned for running a tgp. One for thumbs, one for mysql and the other I assume for the site templates themselves. For a thumbs server what do the pros recommend? Same question for the mysql server and the 3rd. If only doing a 2 server setup would it be better to have the thumbs on the second server or the mysql databases?

12-05-2007, 06:08 AM	#3
justFred Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 922	my tgp runs on a server with 2400 other sites on the same IP but I certainly dont have boneprone's traffic. IMO with 2 servers the SQL should have its own __________________ Vote Bill Cosby 2012

12-05-2007, 06:33 AM	#4
justFred Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 922	I just realized how stupid it was to use that number. I knew it was off but at 5am I don't care much. 2400 is the number of servers on the external IP address. I'll assume they run a NAT (laymen: a network of computers) and so I don't know how many sites are hosted on the same machine... BUT I know it's not alone. And that was my point. __________________ Vote Bill Cosby 2012

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Ycaza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the 805 Posts: 4,290	All sort of depends on what kind of traffic. Add to it, what you want to do, pics, videos etc. one machine can do great, and then again 3 machines can be too little. You need something tailored to your needs. __________________ Caz Thrush Head Honcho [email protected] http://thrushtech.com ICQ: 304883574 do people still icq?

12-05-2007, 01:48 PM	#11
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	We are moving things into less servers with the newer high powered servers as we speak. As for load balancing it all depends on your amount of trafic and the scripts you run. In my case I have to split things up. Also some of the larger thumbsites do as well. I dont want to give away their secrets down to the last detial, but its no secret now days that they split shit up.. People have been doing this for years. Thumbzilla's old owners were masters of this. And they didnt even really have thumbs or graphics! Most hosts or techs at the hosting companies will try to tell you its not needed. But trust me it is. Myseld along with other webmasters have seen significant % changes in traffic when its done. Most programers of these scripts will agree. But now days the servers are quite strong. You can put more in them than you ever could. And you can spilt them up in seprate HDs rather than seprate servers __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 12-05-2007 at 01:50 PM..

12-05-2007, 06:01 AM	#2
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	3 servers to run a single TGP sounds unusual, unless it had a shitload of traffic. Otherwise, that solution is either extremely overengineered, or necessary because the scripts are doing something to cause excessive load.

12-05-2007, 06:39 AM	#5
infecto Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,697	Even a 100k tgp can run fine on a single dedicated machine.

12-05-2007, 03:28 PM	#12
QTbucks_Mark Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 254	It really depends on what software you'll be using, but with a well configured server I don't think separate machines are necessary. You'd have to have either a shitload of traffic (thehun sized or something like that) or scripts that aren't supposed to handle lots of traffic. Having a dedicated webserver for thumbs makes sense, as does splitting request across multiple subdomains, but you can do this on a single server as long as it has enough power to handle it. So, unless MySQL or resource intensive PHP scripts eat up your CPU or I/O you could do something like this: Apache to deliver your regular website, on a second IP address Lighttpd or Apache (MPM worker instead of prefork) for thumb-delivery, possibly using multiple subdomains so your average browser makes more simultaneous request, MySQL chugging along in the background. Todays server with something like 4-16 CPU cores and tons of RAM can handle quite a lot if you know what you're doing, but it really depends on what exactly you want to do. __________________ QTbucks : featuring cherrywinters.com - sweetcarry.com - cutecaroline.com [email protected] :: ICQ 26505638