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directfiesta 12-05-2007 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kektex (Post 13475501)
Did you read where I posted that he is still planning to go throught with it using the Congress?
Basically, he´s telling the venezuelan people: "screw you, I´m going to do it anyway".
¨Please quote that FROM the article, not what you posted ....

I read it all, and just saw that he is disapointed and , as he always does, uses words that are " not-presidential ".

I think it is a good thing it didn't pass, but obviously not for the same reasons as you ... You do HAVE an agenda, right ?

kektex 12-05-2007 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13475569)
¨Please quote that FROM the article, not what you posted ....

http://english.eluniversal.com/2007/...A1245643.shtml
http://english.eluniversal.com/2007/...A1247117.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n3577979.shtml
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1206/p01s01-woam.html

I can also post the videos of Chavez saying it himself on TV if you know enough spanish to understand them.

By the way, even though he boasts we have the most advanced electoral system in the world, we still dont have the final election results. We still dont know if his defeat was by such a narrow margin.
Chavez said himself on sunday night that when he saw that he could not win the elections he authorized the president of the National Electoral Council to announce the results.He admitted on monday that he knew what the outcome was going to be by 9PM. The results were given at 1:30AM
Hmm...why does he have so much control over the president over the NEC?

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13475569)
I think it is a good thing it didn't pass, but obviously not for the same reasons as you ... You do HAVE an agenda, right ?
I could spend all night arguing with you, article by article why this deserved to be destroyed in the elections. But you dont know the reality of the venezuelan people and you dont know what Chavez wanted to do with this reform.
But just the article that stated that a president could be re-elected indefinitely should give you an idea.

stev0 12-05-2007 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13464600)
Of course, the main blame (80%) falls on Saddam for this unfortunate outcome of war, but you can also blame the Iraqi people (20%) for tolerating Saddam and the Baathists as long as they did. When you allow bad government, all sorts of terrible things happen, such as wars. If you were to say that the German people also deserved a share of blame for electing and tolerating Hitler, I would agree with that too.
What??? The Iraqi government was functioning just fine (better than most in the middle east) until it started raining bombs.

directfiesta 12-05-2007 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kektex (Post 13462218)
This is one of the happiest days since this asshole won the presidency.
Caracas is celebrating! I´m outta here!!!! :1orglaugh
BTw, here , if you are anti-Bush, you are an America Hater, a terrorist...

So you being anti your president ( Anti-Chavez ), does that make you a Venezuela Hater, a terrorist ?

kektex 12-05-2007 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13475743)
BTw, here , if you are anti-Bush, you are an America Hater, a terrorist...

So you being anti your president ( Anti-Chavez ), does that make you a Venezuela Hater, a terrorist ?
I see where you are coming from.
You hate Bush. So anyone that insults Bush = The Good Guys.

I never brought up Bush in this thread. I dont like him at all. But he is not the president of my country.

Did you know that here in Venezuela Chavez himself calls those who are against him ,terrorist, lackeys of the empire, shit, no-brain puppets and a long list of other adjectives that I dont care to remember right now?
And that when those that are agains him protest, he sets the National Guard on them with full violence?

Do you really think Chavez is a true democrat?

directfiesta 12-05-2007 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kektex (Post 13475785)

Do you really think Chavez is a true democrat?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Nope .. I don't ... He is a military guy, just like Musharef, Saddam, Pinochet, Noriega, Idi Amin Dadda, and BUSH ( well, he sort of plays the role ... )...

But one thing for sure, he doesn't let the country be raped by foreign corps such as United Fruits ....

I have been to your country 4 times, Columbia 3 times, Guatemala during the " war " of 1980 , El Salvador .... so I hab=ve seen things ....


But you still didn't answer my question .... would of tought that the logic applied universally ... doesn't seem like it ...

kektex 12-05-2007 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13475840)
But one thing for sure, he doesn't let the country be raped by foreign corps such as United Fruits ....
No, he just lets it be raped by those that are in his government. They in turn, collect a comission by letting foreign companies exploit our oil.
Or he just gives it away to Fidel and other countries in exchange for their support.

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13475840)
:
But you still didn't answer my question .... would of tought that the logic applied universally ... doesn't seem like it ...
No , I am not a traitor or a terrorist, but only because I don&#180;t agree with his ideas Chavez and his armed groups say I am.

directfiesta 12-05-2007 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kektex (Post 13475871)
They in turn, collect a comission by letting foreign companies exploit our oil.
Who are they, the foreign companies ?

kektex 12-05-2007 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13475895)
Who are they, the foreign companies ?
Those that are in his government. His ministers,governors,mayors,etc...

directfiesta 12-05-2007 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kektex (Post 13475938)
Those that are in his government. His ministers,governors,mayors,etc...
so they are not foreign ..... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

DaddyHalbucks 12-05-2007 06:07 PM
It's good to see Chavez knocked down a peg or two.

kektex 12-05-2007 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13475972)
so they are not foreign ..... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Ah sorry didnt understand your question.
His ministers and those around him charge commisions to foreign oil companies like Exxon,Total,Shell and the usual suspects.
It´s no secret here in Venezuela how those in high seats in PDVSA (the national oil company) are becoming incredibly rich overnight.

Just one story:
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On Sunday, 17 April, before dawn, an accident occurred on Crandon Boulevard in Key Biscayne, in Miami, which draws us closer to seeing the chink in PdVSA’s armor.

Two young men were involved in the accident and one of them, the passenger, died almost instantly when the vehicle veered to one side and rammed into a tree at a high rate of speed. The surviving driver, and supposed owner of the Lamborghini automobile, which was totaled (see photos), is a young Venezuelan by the name of Eudo Enrique Carruyo Perozo, who was transferred to the Jackson Memorial Hospital Ryder Trauma Center in Miami.

The relevance of this tragic mishap to the present topic rests on the fact that Eudo Enrique Carruyo is the son of the internal director of the Board of Directors of PdVSA, Eudomario Carruyo Rondón, CI 3.113.881, and the value of the Lamborghini Murciélago is $328,150.
from: http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?con...s/200505020813

GreyWolf 12-05-2007 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13475994)
It's good to see Chavez knocked down a peg or two.
Says alleged Ivy League DH who knows absolutely nothing, but just likes to keep his mind bent on warped politics and could not see corruption or propaganda if it stared him in the face.

Yeah right :1orglaugh

Matt 26z 12-05-2007 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13464600)
Of course, the main blame (80&#37;) falls on Saddam for this unfortunate outcome of war, but you can also blame the Iraqi people (20%) for tolerating Saddam and the Baathists as long as they did. When you allow bad government, all sorts of terrible things happen, such as wars. If you were to say that the German people also deserved a share of blame for electing and tolerating Hitler, I would agree with that too.
Prior to a few sudden ugly decisions during WW2, Hitler was one of the greatest leaders in history. So there was really nothing to "tolerate." He brought Germany back to life and had a 98-99% approval rating. That is why the people of Germany stood by him during WW2.

Saddam on the other hand did nothing for Iraq that warranted Iraqis allowing him to stay in power. Fact is, the people of Iraq are some of the biggest cowards in the entire world. That is why so little progress has been made there since the start of the war.

Chavez.... He isn't the big bad wolf that Bush and the US media make him out to be. They have a legit democracy down there, and there are no signs of Chavez not respecting the will of his people.

kektex 12-05-2007 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 13476174)
Chavez.... He isn't the big bad wolf that Bush and the US media make him out to be. They have a legit democracy down there, and there are no signs of Chavez not respecting the will of his people.
Didn´t think I would have to bring this up so quickly:
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Yeah really democratic, calling the opposition´s victory "shitty" on live national TV, backed by his military command:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt...62583920071205

And by the looks of it he is going to choose to ignore the people´s vote and he is still going to try to push his socialist constitution on the country using the completely pro-Chavez congress. Even more democratic.
Despite the current constitution stating clearly that once a constitutional reform has been defeated it cannot be presented again during the same presidential period.

He is not going to rest until he drives this country to a civil war apparently.

Remember to bump this every time one of these Chavez lovers call him a "democrat".
https://gfy.com/13475294-post37.html


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