Guaranteed -- We will BEAT your bandwidth pricing!

I negociate 1$ per TB of bandwidth !

All pricing requests should be sent to sales AT inforelay DOT com. You should also provide a link to publicly advertised pricing, or provide a quote that you've gotten from one of our competitors.

Also, our pricing is generally done on a per megabit per second basis. The terms of this price match offer requires a minimum of 100Mbps. If you have a competitor quote for 30TB or more, we'd be glad to evaluate the opportunity and provide a quote on that as well.

good luck pirating some costumors

Thanks. We like to think of it as saving you money and providing quality bandwidth :-)

Good luck

I bet you can't beat my price...

your hardware pricing SUCKS..... sorry but $225 a month for a server w/o bandwidth....

stick to the bandwidth.. leave the hardware for someone with a clue....

k thnx

The publicly quoted prices most companies advertise is about double what real customers pay. So the "publicly quoted" price doesn't sound so hot.

Guaranteed?

I bet we can. Just ask by submitting a sales ticket.

We use quality Dell and Supermicro servers that have been thoroughly tested. They are hosted at our cages in Equinix and Switch and Data, facilities used by Fortune 500 & 100 companies as well as banks and government agencies. As you can imagine, we need to cover the cost of rack space and power, as well as the hardware.

This promotion focuses on bandwidth, however hardware pricing is negotiable with a large enough bandwidth commitment.

i am getting my bandwidth free so beating that would mean you are paying me to use your bandwidth.

so my question is , how much will you pay me to use your bandwidth ?

Yes, guaranteed! Or we'll give you the best price we can, and 500Mbps free for one month with no commitment so you can see if you'd like to continue with us.

Sorry, no payments. This offer applies to 100Mbps commitments and beyond -- you're getting 100Mbps or more of bandwidth without compensating your host in any way? Who is your host?

This is not a very well thought out promotion.

Why would I move from a host I know and trust to someone I've never heard of just because you'll match the price I'm paying?
My current host is already matching the price I'm paying. (DUH)

Not only that, but why is the hardware a separate issue? You'll match bandwidth prices but not server prices, and based on the few hardware prices you posted here, most of us would end up paying more to host with you, someone we've never heard of, who registered for the board about 5 minutes ago.


I'll pass mmmmkay?

So does anyone who's a real host.

You think companies like techie media, natnet, isprime, mojohost, etc are hosting their customers on AMD 233's in their mother's basement?

I'm sure the companies that you describe run quality shops with good hardware.

If you don't like the hardware pricing, then colocate your own equipment and buy space from the facility directly -- our bandwidth is available via cross-connect since we're located within carrier neutral facilities.

While some may be unfamiliar with us as a company, I'd be glad to answer any questions that you have. We've been in this business since 1995. You may wish to use some tools such as Fixedorbit (www.fixedorbit.com) to compare our network connectivity to some of our peers. Here we are:

http://www.fixedorbit.com/AS/33/AS33597.htm

We'll beat the price you're paying. We don't match hardware pricing because while there are many quality hosts out there, others are using generic white box hardware with desktop-grade components. The cost-basis for rack space and power differs greatly depending on facilities and locations.

You're welcome to pass on the offer :-). Again, this offer is focused on bandwidth rather than hardware. We're not aggressively pushing hardware, as it's not our main goal here.

yup.

well i did kill someone for him , but i didnt like the guy either so i'm not sure if that counts as compensation

Heh, I think it counts, at least a little. Nice work though! He's lucky to have you as a customer.

better to have me as a friend than an enemy sort of thing, i see what you're saying.. that def could play into it a bit ,

but thats beside the point. i didnt see a "unless you killed someone for your current host" clause in your deal.. so back to the original question how much are you going to pay me to use your bandwidth ..

Yeah thanks but no thanks.

Hmm, we'll have to add an "unless you killed someone for your current host" clause. I'm not sure why we didn't think of that in the first place.

Send us the offer in writing from your current host and I'll take it to management to see what we can do.

Understood. If you have an offer in writing, or an invoice, we can match based on that. Doesn't have to be publicly quoted.

he can't really write very well anymore. he had a little "accident" and broke all his fingers, he got them stuck under someones ball peen hammer about 10 or 20 times.

i'll have him send a video.

Good luck!

This bit doesn't make any sense to me...

"We will match bandwidth-only pricing quoted by competitors -- for example, if a competitor is providing a 100Mbps unmetered server for $X, we will not provide 100Mbps of bandwidth via cross-connect for that price."

The other host is actually providing more value by including the server in the $X fee, so it should be easier for you to match since you're not offering that. What am I missing?

The guy is simply an over committed BW reseller. If you check him out he has very low end cheap providers, and I would guess he has large commits he needs to dump off some excess BW quick...... He came to the wrong place and dfidnt think about what he posted and to whom before he posted. Just another nobody troll imho

Wiredoctor,

There is nothing "oversubscribed" about our network. We have over 80Gbps of capacity to the internet with less than half of that in use. We have plenty of burst room to sustain changing traffic patterns, ddos attacks, etc..

We are using all committed bandwidth, and we are exceeding our commitments. We're a Better Business Bureau member and have been in this business since 1995 -- longer than most of our competitors. In general, we connect to more networks than most of our competitors, primarily via 10GE connectivity.

This promotion was thought out over the course of a few weeks, and approved by management. We are simply looking to bring in additional customers by providing superior pricing and quality of service. No crime in that, right?

I appreciate your input, but I urge you to do some research and/or try our services before forming your opinions.

A host might sell a Celeron with 512MB of RAM as a 100Mbps unmetered server for $600. They are hoping that you will not use all of this bandwidth -- it's difficult (though possible) to use that much bandwidth using such a low-end server. With a cross-connect, it's much more likely that you'll use all allotted bandwidth since you can effectively connect up as many servers as you need to.

Well, in order to beat my price, you are going to be paying ME to use your service... still want me to submit a ticket?

Why would anyone move hosts because you will match the price they are paying? Honestly, you didn't really think this one through did you...

Even beating it by like $50 a month is not worth moving. Only reason I would move my 120mbit servers is if you could:

1. Beat the price by a long way
2. I was pissed at the service I receive from my host
3. You gave me an awesome reason why I should move

As none of these are likely to happen, I will kindly say thanks but no thanks.

Harsh thread...

This is the point I was making earlier.

Deals for "bandwidth only" belong on webhosting reseller forums, not webmaster forums.

We're webmasters, we own sites, we need servers to go with our bandwidth, and we need 24/7 competent tech support to handle our ever changing software and hardware needs.

I'm sure there are some people here who have their own techs and colocate their equipment, but why would they move for some stupid promo like this to a company they've never heard of?

Thank you for the input. Of all of the replies here, at least your post has included constructive criticism -- your post gives me some idea of the type of promotion you're looking for, which helps. I will talk to my management about re-formulating another promotion that may work better for the GFY audience.

In terms of being "heard of," we may not be well-known to the GFY community (hence our reason for running promos specifically for GFY), but you're welcome to Google us and search for us on forums like WebHostingTalk for more information.

For the record, we do provide 24/7 support and server management, however this promotion targets larger adult webmasters interested primarily in bandwidth.

Our reason for advertising in this particular forum is because we are a paid GFY sponsor, with weekly pinned threads and the banner. GFY site operators have dictated that this forum is where our posts should go.

Now, if another type of promotion works better for you, I'd be glad to hear further thoughts on this. What are some packages you'd like to see us offer? If you're looking for included hardware and server management, in order for my management to take you seriously, I need serious suggestions.

Leasing equipment from a host is stupid, unless you are just starting out and don't want to lay out the cash. Anyone who is serious buys their own fucking servers. Its much, much cheaper. Most data centers will sell you 4Us or more of rack space with a MB for the same price that they'll sell you ONE server for. You can get four servers for the price of one that way.

Exactly. Some customers find value in leasing equipment, but our management had assumed that larger adult webmasters would have already made the investment in equipment and would be colocating in neutral facilities such as the ones that we are in... which is why we structured this as a bandwidth promotion so that you could obtain rack space through us or through the facility directly and simply buy bandwidth from us via cross-connect.

What is your bandwidth? Looks like Hurricane for the most part

it is not about money for me although I think I have a sweet deal, webair has helped me so much and I can't put a price on that. Well yeah I could but you know,

I'm with you there. Support is really important -- if you've built up a certain level of trust with your host, you should stay with them. Many of our clients are still with us since 1995 and have stayed with us for just those reasons.

Global Crossing, Time Warner Telecom, Peer1, nLayer, Hurricane Electric, Cogent, PCCW/BtN, Layer42, Xeex, wvFiber, and some private peers.

Hurricane Electric is a big component of our standard network -- we have a few 10GE pipes to them and generally see very good performance. We have other providers as well, and the network is fully n+1 redundant and does not rely on any single provider in anyway. We can -- and have -- withstood provider outages that have lasted several hours with no impact to our uptime.

There are also advantages to leasing.

1) Quicker setup time. Shipping costs may also be an issue if you're located in a different area or country to the DC.

2) Tax is simpler because you're claiming it as a simple ongoing cost rather than fooling with depreciation schedules.

3) Cash flow. You don't need a large upfront payment to set up decent hardware.

4) Easier upgrade path. You can hop over to a new server in a year or two with significantly better hardware for the same price. (Sometimes less)

5) Easier to change hosts. If your server(s) is/are only at a single location, how do you switch without downtime? With leasing you commission a new one and can have them running concurrently for as long as you need.

6) Hardware failures. Because the host provides the hardware they are experienced with working on it, and may also have spare parts on hand. What happens when the oddball RAID card in your self-provided server fails on a friday evening?

Anyway, just some food for thought.

The vast majority of people in this business lease their equipment from their host.

I love how the guy who doesn't pay for his hosting tells the rest of us we should pay cash upfront for our servers and then pay to co-locate them somewhere.

I can rent a dual xeon for around $150 a month, and when something breaks my host uses their spare parts at their expense to fix it. If I decide to change hosts I don't have to have servers shipped around the country or worry about downtime, I simply have the data copied.
Or I can buy one from Dell for about 3K. It would take roughly 2 years of server rent to equal that 3K price, but by that time I'll most likely be upgrading to the next generation of server.

This is my whole point, you have no "street credit" here. Just because you're a paid advertiser and you've been around for however long, it's obvious that you don't understand the needs of the webmasters that post here so nobody is going to come running to host with you.

If a company like techiemedia, natnet, isprime, mojo, etc came on here and offered a similar deal they would get alot of business....but to us you're just another host, here today and gone next month. (I'm not saying you will be gone, but we've seen to many come and go over the years to leave who we're with for a "price match")

Also this part
is pretty offensive.

Why would I give a flying fuck if your management takes me seriously? You're the one who's here trying to get our money, we're not the ones begging for someone to sell us bandwidth.

You need to go back to sales school.

Thanks for your input with regard to being just another host here. My point is that if you were to spend some time researching, you'd find more information on our clients, our history, and our happy clients that have been with us for years.

I was not indicating that being a paid sponsor gives us more credibility, I was just indicating that it is our reason for posting to this forum -- GFY administrators asked us to do so.

I'm the offensive one here? Your constructive criticism is appreciated, but if you're so disinterested in our offer, no one is forcing you to read this thread or to respond.

This is why I said you need to go back to sales school.

You're here trying to sell something, and then telling your prospective customers to search for you on google to learn more about your company.

I may come off as an asshole sometimes but I've given you nothing but good advice here.

Good luck.

Not a slam of you or your management, but clearly they don't know much about adult if they assumed that. Most of the people here, even alot of the big guys, are still on leased, fully managed dedicated servers. People that should be on dedicated servers are still on shared hosting and buying VPS plans "reseller" accounts and crap like that.

To be honest with you, I have alot of respect for anyone that tries to make money in hosting and catering to an adult client base because any profit you earn you are gonna work your ass off for. Adult webmasters for the most part are extremely cheap and extremely short sighted when it comes to things like webhosting. They buy only the capacity they need today, rarely have things like warm standby boxes or distributed networks or databases that are replicated across multiple DCs and multiple boxes and often take the way out that offers the smallest up front investment.

I left shared hosting years ago. I think I had my first leased dedicated when I was 14 or so. I colo'd my first a few years later when I finally learned about the leased hardware game. It all started when I wanted another hard drive and they wanted $400 plus $20 a month for it and I said "Hey, wait a minute, I can buy one for $500, why don't I just buy it and send it to you, and you put it in?" and they said no and I started thinking about it. I started looking and said "Hey, I can build a 1U box for $6K with three times the specs of this thing and then I can pay $100 a month instead of $350 a month and then at the end of it all I can eBay the box and still get something for it, and the box will last me five years and while granted towards the end of those five years it will be underpowered and be relegated from production to shit like development box, mail server, file server, offsite backup server, etc, it will still be so much cheaper in the long run!" and while granted this was several years ago back when hardware cost much more (today you can build a kickass 1U for $3K) the general principle still applies.

The other thing is if you run on LAMP, you don't need to waste money on a "fully managed server" because there isn't much that can go wrong with a LAMP box. The biggest part of running and securing LAMP boxes is keeping stuff up to date and patched and I am sorry, but you don't need a fucking tech team to do it. You can teach yourself how to do it and if you spend a couple of hundred dollars on books from Amazon you can save yourself probably a few million dollars in admin fees over the course of a lifetime. Adult webmasters love to waste money on fully managed LAMP servers, too.

Part of this all goes back to the point that most adult webmasters mismanage the money that comes into their companies and spend quite alot buying drinks and whores at shows and not nearly enough keeping up with their business, because if they buy friends at the shows they are cool and they somehow think they are successful.

Everyone on here likes to cry "My host this" and "my host that", and so they switch hosts alot. The real problem is not their hosts, its the fact that they are trying to run a million dollar a year company off two shared hosting accounts and a couple of Plesk reseller accounts.

Your presence here may be a good thing for the industry. Maybe give people the kick in the ass they need to move into the real world and host their shit themselves and reliability as a whole would probably increase as a result of it.

I'm with you on that Mike... People that jump on this forum to dump their "specials" just to make a quick buck in the adult don?t really understand how much work and effort we (ALL the steady and long term hosting companies) are putting into to the support, network and customer service, it's not about selling the products it?s about servicing this COMPLEX and DEMANDING industry.

adultbandwidth a really personal note (and hopefully none offending one) if you don't have the support team that this industry requires, search elsewhere or they will easily flame you without even flinching...

Good luck though!

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