Paul Markham, Why Do You Hose Affiliate Accts That Make Sales But Have Bad Ratios? - GoFuckYourself.com

minusonebit · 11-27-2007, 01:25 AM

Normally, I refrain from spreading drama from other boards to GFY, but this is too fucking hilarious to deprive GFY of its enjoyment. Actually, I am sure to the affiliate he fucked its not very funny, but I know I sure got a charge out of reading it and wondering "What in the fuck is this guy thinking?".

It seems that - according to threads raging on at least two other boards that I know of - Paul Markham openly admits that he banned at least one and maybe more affiliates who sent him traffic he couldn't handle that was selling but had really high ratios, as in like 20,000:1, and his reasoning is that it slows his tour down and somehow costs his other affiliates money. And the traffic was making sales. Now, keep in mind Paul doesn't have a minimum acceptable ratio stated in his rules, which he needs to have if he is gonna pull shit like this.

Here are some thoughts from Paul on this, as quoted from the thread on that other board:

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And this is the problem. It's not the BW cost that's important and people should stop and think about this. It's the hardware costs and the costs to affiliates and sponsors of LOST sign ups.

This bad traffic slowed down the servers and the tours for EVERYONE ELSE. Do we buy another high speed server to run it so we can keep getting this shit traffic, do we keep the sites running slow or do we pull the shit traffic and say goodbye to the 1-20,000 ratios it was producing?

Another server costs money, that has to come from somewhere else. Where do I take it from?

It's you that are suffering as much as me, your traffic is getting fucked.

I lose an affiliate costing me $5 in his BW costs, who knows what in others traffic losses and makes $10 a month.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Since kicking off this guy and a couple of others the speed on the site has improved.

Also stats have gone back to what they should be and better, more sign ups, better ratios and far more people landing on the join form page.

What some don't realise is building a tour network that will handle any traffic, because BW is cheap, has a downside. It slows down the servers or costs money. Good affiliates, do you want sponsors to accommodate this crap traffic and take it out of your commission or the site content. Or do you want the tours to slow down so your traffic suffers?

Don't give me "the extra sign ups pay for it" BS. A guy sending 25,000 hits a month that produce 1 sign up is not paying for anything. Especially if he's using all my tools and hosting. It works for the guy with the shit traffic, so he can flame me.

So basically, Paul has shitty servers and/or has inadequate infrastructure or both. Anyone whose pages stop loading due to an extra 25K hits over an entire month is, by any measure, cutting it far too close to the edge. Now, my thinking is, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you cant handle the traffic demands of serving FHGs, Banners, VHGs, etc - then don't fucking offer them. If you need to upgrade your servers, then you need to fucking upgrade your servers and you do it, you don't start picking off affiliates who are sending you sales and following the rules.

Bandwidth and servers are so fucking cheap its not even funny. How much bandwidth does 25K hits consume? Maybe 100 GB on the high side? 1 MB is 300 GB over a month and most people are paying what, $20/MB for their bandwidth on the high side (I am paying much less, and I am sure most others are, as well), so what, the bandwidth consumed there cost him what, about $7. A respectable server, quad core dual Xeon with decent RAM runs what, $3K, and will handle how many million hits a month and should last for what, five years? Give me a fucking break. You were making profit on his sales, maybe not as much as someone who was converting at 500:1 or 50:1, but its profit none the less. No fucking excuse for pulling the rug out from under the guy.

But Paul bans this affiliate who is not breaking any rules, just because his traffic sucks. It wasn't mentioned in the threads I saw whether or not Paul is going to even pay the affiliate for sales generated to date. Usually, when a sponsor kills an account they also keep the earnings, so thats interesting.

I know if a sponsor did this to me, I'd be awfully damn pissed. Putting up fucking sponsor links takes time and effort. And for some sponsor to tear the rug out from under me just because they don't think my account makes them "enough" sales and thereby forcing me to spend more time to tear down thier links, I know what I'd do: I'd send all the agreements to the lawyers and see about trying to make the sponsor pay for the time involved in taking shit down because some asshole decides he doesn't want to serve my account.

So Paul, lets hear an explanation. This is bullshit and your program sucks if this is the way you operate. Apparently, Paul only wants whales in his program (don't they all?) and doesn't value the guy who sends a signup here and there and tries to promote his shit.

dozey · 11-27-2007, 01:43 AM

Sounds pretty sensible to me.

Added bonuns if it's the "I know if a sponsor did this to me, I'd be awfully damn pissed" minusonebrain affilaites being banned.

Scotty.T · 11-27-2007, 01:45 AM

Without touching on why he closes accounts, I am going to add to this:

This affiliate of Paul's was also using other sponsors banners and sending traffic to unrelated sites. This was being done from the same galleries he was sending Paul's traffic from.

aico · 11-27-2007, 01:54 AM

blah blah blah

I post passwords and steal electricity

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minusonebit · 11-27-2007, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dozey

Sounds pretty sensible to me.

Closing affiliate accounts because it suits you and there is no basis for same in your terms of service sounds sensible? You're kidding, right?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 11-27-2007, 02:11 AM

I could think of better things to do with it rather than Axe 25K in traffic...

But hey some people like cutting off the snakes head before checking to see if it is a rattler or not.

Enemator · 11-27-2007, 02:25 AM

Poontank · 11-27-2007, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Normally, I refrain from spreading drama from other boards to GFY, but this is too fucking hilarious to deprive GFY of its enjoyment. Actually, I am sure to the affiliate he fucked its not very funny, but I know I sure got a charge out of reading it and wondering "What in the fuck is this guy thinking?".

It seems that - according to threads raging on at least two other boards that I know of - Paul Markham openly admits that he banned at least one and maybe more affiliates who sent him traffic he couldn't handle that was selling but had really high ratios, as in like 20,000:1, and his reasoning is that it slows his tour down and somehow costs his other affiliates money. And the traffic was making sales. Now, keep in mind Paul doesn't have a minimum acceptable ratio stated in his rules, which he needs to have if he is gonna pull shit like this.

Here are some thoughts from Paul on this, as quoted from the thread on that other board:

So basically, Paul has shitty servers and/or has inadequate infrastructure or both. Anyone whose pages stop loading due to an extra 25K hits over an entire month is, by any measure, cutting it far too close to the edge. Now, my thinking is, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you cant handle the traffic demands of serving FHGs, Banners, VHGs, etc - then don't fucking offer them. If you need to upgrade your servers, then you need to fucking upgrade your servers and you do it, you don't start picking off affiliates who are sending you sales and following the rules.

Bandwidth and servers are so fucking cheap its not even funny. How much bandwidth does 25K hits consume? Maybe 100 GB on the high side? 1 MB is 300 GB over a month and most people are paying what, $20/MB for their bandwidth on the high side (I am paying much less, and I am sure most others are, as well), so what, the bandwidth consumed there cost him what, about $7. A respectable server, quad core dual Xeon with decent RAM runs what, $3K, and will handle how many million hits a month and should last for what, five years? Give me a fucking break. You were making profit on his sales, maybe not as much as someone who was converting at 500:1 or 50:1, but its profit none the less. No fucking excuse for pulling the rug out from under the guy.

But Paul bans this affiliate who is not breaking any rules, just because his traffic sucks. It wasn't mentioned in the threads I saw whether or not Paul is going to even pay the affiliate for sales generated to date. Usually, when a sponsor kills an account they also keep the earnings, so thats interesting.

I know if a sponsor did this to me, I'd be awfully damn pissed. Putting up fucking sponsor links takes time and effort. And for some sponsor to tear the rug out from under me just because they don't think my account makes them "enough" sales and thereby forcing me to spend more time to tear down thier links, I know what I'd do: I'd send all the agreements to the lawyers and see about trying to make the sponsor pay for the time involved in taking shit down because some asshole decides he doesn't want to serve my account.

So Paul, lets hear an explanation. This is bullshit and your program sucks if this is the way you operate. Apparently, Paul only wants whales in his program (don't they all?) and doesn't value the guy who sends a signup here and there and tries to promote his shit.

Hypocrite. You post stolen passwords on you blog and steal electricity. Stick to delivering phone books.

Dirty F · 11-27-2007, 04:47 AM

Anything that get all the bad attention away from you, you fucking rat.

Aussie Rebel · 11-27-2007, 05:06 AM

I normally stay out of your threads because I don't like you, but mate I really have to ask you something and I'm not trying to be a smartie or anything because I'm not really well liked here either, but why are you still here man? I really am not trolling I just dont understand why

Megafoo · 11-27-2007, 05:12 AM

Paul Markham can do whatever he wants its his affiliate program, i'd kick a 1 in 20,000 ratio myself if i had a paysite. Its a paysite. its not like he can trade the traffic away and push the crap traffic on someone else to deal with. He is the one paying the bandwidth, just shut the fuck up and move on.

CDSmith · 11-27-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Closing affiliate accounts because it suits you and there is no basis for same in your terms of service sounds sensible? You're kidding, right?

His site, seems to me he can do what he wants with it.

scottybuzz · 11-27-2007, 05:46 AM

I would expect my account to be closed if i was sending that ratio!

I assume paul is here to make money, its his site, so why not. politley tell them thanks but no thanks.

slapass · 11-27-2007, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Closing affiliate accounts because it suits you and there is no basis for same in your terms of service sounds sensible? You're kidding, right?

It is a business relationship. He does not have an obligation to give you an affiliate account. Aren't you the guy who thinks torrents are ok too? Where is Paul's freedom? Let freedom ring right?

slapass · 11-27-2007, 06:02 AM

You aren't the guy who supports torrents.. sorry about that. but the rest of it stands.

LFCII · 11-27-2007, 06:11 AM

I would think at 1 in 25000 the affiliate would stop sending traffic anyways and find a sponsor whom converts a little better for them.

11-27-2007, 06:38 AM

Uhhh, 25,000 hits A MONTH? What is he hosting his site on? A Pentium 3 with his own cable connection?

I could understand it if it was 25,000 per day, but not a month. We're talking much less than 1000 hits a day here folks.

LadyMischief · 11-27-2007, 06:44 AM

Wow, anyone SMART would WORK with affiliates with bad ratios to help them to figure out ways to make the ratios better. Sales are sales... A penny is better than nothing. Unbelievable. 25k hits is NOTHING, if he was getting some good traffic he would get than an HOUR. Sounds like things would melt down.

There's a saying that seems to apply here (specifically to Paul). "Remove the rafter from your own eye before removing the piece of straw from your brother's." Sounds like Paul has a few rafters (not abig surprise) and really has no room to give anyone else advice on running a "successful" paysite.

Shoplifter · 11-27-2007, 06:48 AM

It's hardly immoral to close a malfunctioning account. I've had lots of tards not realizing they are sending Turkish hitbot traffic to my FHG's.

It's not even drama...It's just prudent business. Considering all the outright shaving and theft that goes on via GFY this is nothing at all.

LadyMischief · 11-27-2007, 06:49 AM

Everyone has to start somewhere.... Throwing away traffic because of bad ratios is silly. Finding ways to make the traffic work for you is a much better way of going about it, and all it takes is a little research and effort.

fris · 11-27-2007, 06:59 AM

everyone knows park markham is a big douchebag, and his paysites suck

minusonebit · 11-27-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by evildick

Uhhh, 25,000 hits A MONTH? What is he hosting his site on? A Pentium 3 with his own cable connection?

I could understand it if it was 25,000 per day, but not a month. We're talking much less than 1000 hits a day here folks.

Well, now the story is changing. Apparently its 800K requests and 800 page views from a Free Hosted Banner that PMT offers, and he is bitching about this. So apparently, he is bitching about the fact that he served up a banner 800K times but only got 800 clicks out of it, which still does not hold water. I am not sure where the 1:25K ratio talk came from. Paul is not exactly being helpful in this regards, he does not seem to know even what files were being requested or what content the affiliate was using of his.

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Originally Posted by REßEL

FOR FUCKS SAKE!

Everyone has missed my point. There is nothing fucking unusual about the stats!

795 pages
878727

It's fucking BANNER IMPRESSIONS Vs Click Thrus. What is so hard to understand there?

The affiliate in question is using PMT's HOSTED BANNERS. Of course he's going to cause WAY MORE hits than pages, as every page of his that's viewed will cause a PMT server hit, but only clicks will cause a PMT page hit.

If he used 2 PMT hosted banners on a page he's going to cause 2 PMT server hits every time one of his own pages is loaded. It's a TV station site, it has traffic, so of course that traffic is going to cause lots of hits. There's nothing friggin fraudulent there. Just McMarkham having no fucking clue as to how the net works, as usual.

I'd say that last sentence there sums it up just about right.

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Originally Posted by erots

bhahaha. saw the original thread. just wanted to say that this is priceless

You see, although you still don't get this.. your problem was the HOSTED banner. Because he used your hosted banner you got shit loads of hits and so few page views. Actually depending on what time frame you got them.. who knows it might have been shit loads of page views. This guy might have been your first whale. Are these stats generated in an hour, two hours.. day?

What these stats mean is that people viewed your banner 878727 times in that time period and people who managed to get your site generated 795 page views. If everyone generated 1 page view then you got 795 clicks in that time frame. If this time frame was 1 hours you would have got 19080 clicks/day from that guy. I haven't included here that your tour was down, so he probably would have sent you much much more. But lets not speculate shall we.

The fact is, your site is not capable to handle whales and instead of learning from this incident you try to defend yourself and you are rude against everyone who doesn't agree with you. Nothing new really, again you are showing everyone that it is impossible to work with you, as you can't stand being wrong.

So he landed his first whale and proceeded to slaughter it because it got him wet is the summary of it.

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Originally Posted by Megafoo

Paul Markham can do whatever he wants its his affiliate program, i'd kick a 1 in 20,000 ratio myself if i had a paysite. Its a paysite. its not like he can trade the traffic away and push the crap traffic on someone else to deal with. He is the one paying the bandwidth, just shut the fuck up and move on.

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Originally Posted by slapass

It is a business relationship. He does not have an obligation to give you an affiliate account. Aren't you the guy who thinks torrents are ok too? Where is Paul's freedom? Let freedom ring right?

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

It's hardly immoral to close a malfunctioning account. I've had lots of tards not realizing they are sending Turkish hitbot traffic to my FHG's.

It's not even drama...It's just prudent business. Considering all the outright shaving and theft that goes on via GFY this is nothing at all.

You know, on both of the other boards, the verdict against Paul on this is damn near unanimously against him. Somehow, I don't think its because this place houses contributors who possess a level of knowledge not found on the other boards. Oh yeah, and it wasn't me who got my account closed, 'tards.

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

I normally stay out of your threads because I don't like you, but mate I really have to ask you something and I'm not trying to be a smartie or anything because I'm not really well liked here either, but why are you still here man? I really am not trolling I just dont understand why

Because I want to be here. Should have stayed out of this thread as well, since you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute.

candyflip · 11-27-2007, 08:00 AM

Paul Markham is one of the top minds in this business. How dare you all question his ability.

pornguy · 11-27-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Closing affiliate accounts because it suits you and there is no basis for same in your terms of service sounds sensible? You're kidding, right?

Thats the thing. the affiliate program has the right to close any account that they see fit.

And one more reason to stick with a bigger sponsor program. It tends not to happen.

Enemator · 11-27-2007, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

His site, seems to me he can do what he wants with it.

Minusonebit is a fucking moron. But this remark of yours is bullcrap too...

Dollarmansteve · 11-27-2007, 08:13 AM

You know you're small-time when.....

minusonebit · 11-27-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Paul Markham is one of the top minds in this business. How dare you all question his ability.

I worry about the future of adult very much if thats the case. LOL

11-27-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

You know you're small-time when.....

baddog · 11-27-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

I know if a sponsor did this to me, I'd be awfully damn pissed. Putting up fucking sponsor links takes time and effort. And for some sponsor to tear the rug out from under me just because they don't think my account makes them "enough" sales and thereby forcing me to spend more time to tear down thier links, I know what I'd do: I'd send all the agreements to the lawyers and see about trying to make the sponsor pay for the time involved in taking shit down because some asshole decides he doesn't want to serve my account.

That being said, if it isn't PPS not really sure the problem.

After Shock Media · 11-27-2007, 10:29 AM

Ignoring who started this thread (yeah for some two seperate thoughts are impossible) two things would annoy me here.

1. Paul should have something stated in his TOS, I personally know it takes a bit of time and effort to set up a serious promo run for a sponsor, well for me at least.
2. It is a fucking hosted banner. Yes that means paul decided to make banners that he hosted, that he had designed, and that he had approved. He then blames the affliate for lack of clicks to his banner? Hell a single hun listing with that banner on the gallery could produce 25k page loads. Yup ban that damn affiliate for using your tools.

minusonebit · 11-27-2007, 10:39 AM

heh, Paul is off on another board now calling the affiliate a scammer and threatening to add him to that board's shitlist. My god Paul, you really are an idiot. The guy didn't scam you, he tried to make you some money. Jesus Christ I promise I will never promote your worthless piece of shit program and anyone who does should promptly get a CT scan of their head to check for damage.

mn · 11-27-2007, 11:04 AM

1:20000 wtf?! chinese 404 traffic?

btw if it's in the terms clearly stated you will get the account closed if you go under a certain ratio i see no problems (although i would never touch such a sponsor). If not I would be seriously pissed. It's not easy to switch links if it's gallery traffic for example.

1000 hits extra per day, or even 10,000 or 100,000 should not slow down a server hosting a paysite IMHO. There must be room for this in respect to the affiliates.

I don't run any paysites myself so this is just my personal opinions.

BradM · 11-27-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Serious Business

everyone knows park markham is a big douchebag, and his paysites suck

Magic join links

BVF · 11-27-2007, 11:45 AM

He has the right to cancel the account if he wants to....HOWEVER, he MUST pay the man what he has already earned.

candyflip · 11-27-2007, 11:48 AM

Being paid shouldn't be an issue. Doesn't he use CCBill?

Paul Markham · 11-27-2007, 11:57 AM

The affiliate was sucking down more than banners. he was slowing down the tour. So I investigated him.

His Domain was on Sumo.tv and the name of the affiliate is the name of an employee there. So could of been doing it under the companies instructions. Maybe Sumo have gone into the porn business.

I emailed the affiliate 3 times to sort out why so much traffic, he had generated 2.5+ millions hits from the K page views. Maybe banners but it's a lot of traffic and it was on my tour not my banners.

I got no replies to my emails, so I phoned his office. After making sure he was there I asked to be put through to him. He was out to lunch at 2.30 UK time, an hour later he was still out to lunch. However in that hour the pages he had generating 2.5 million hits on my tour were redirected to the main site.

Except one. This one he redirected to the wrong page. The URL now goes to where the others go to.

The URL with is with the affiliate code, check the site it was hosted on and check out the link and where it goes now.

I think that's enough to warrant a ban but the guppies over at the Pond think I should of bought a new server to carry this extra traffic. Some even think he's a whale.

The affiliate who were sending traffic were suffering by the tour working slowly.

Is the affiliate in question a scammer? Well he changed all the pages to redirect to the page the image URL redirect to. He had lots of other sponsors banners on the site and mine were low down. Seems strange way for an honest man to work. An honest man would answer the phone and take the links down. IMO a dishonest one would avoid me and hide the pages.

That's it and if I did wrong I will apologise to the affiliate as soon as he contacts me. He has not so far.

minusonebit would you like to ask him why he did what he did? He might reply to you.

minusonebit knows all the info I posted here.

baddog · 11-27-2007, 12:01 PM

You should be giving him guidance on how to convert his traffic on your site.

~Ray · 11-27-2007, 02:49 PM

redirect that sumo traffic to an asian tgp and pay him per k

that's just an alt option

Snake Doctor · 11-27-2007, 03:10 PM

Paul Markham is an idiot, that's not exactly breaking news.

The hilarious thing about him is that while being an idiot, he "thinks" he knows everything....and so not only does he run his business in a totally fucked up way, but he feels the need to jump into business threads and pontificate his fucked up business philosophies to the rest of us (philosophies that include canning affiliates with bad ratios because he can't afford $150 a month for another server).....and tells those of us who have had lots of success in this business that we're all doing it wrong and we should listen to him.

Snake Doctor · 11-27-2007, 03:12 PM

I will give Paul credit for inventing magic join links though. That's something I haven't been able to accomplish

Roald · 11-27-2007, 03:23 PM

Paul closes an account for way less lol

aico · 11-27-2007, 03:28 PM

2.5 million hits in an hour, LMAO... riiiiiiiiiight

Jel · 11-27-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The affiliate was sucking down more than banners. he was slowing down the tour. So I investigated him.

His Domain was on Sumo.tv and the name of the affiliate is the name of an employee there. So could of been doing it under the companies instructions. Maybe Sumo have gone into the porn business.

I emailed the affiliate 3 times to sort out why so much traffic, he had generated 2.5+ millions hits from the K page views. Maybe banners but it's a lot of traffic and it was on my tour not my banners.

I got no replies to my emails, so I phoned his office. After making sure he was there I asked to be put through to him. He was out to lunch at 2.30 UK time, an hour later he was still out to lunch. However in that hour the pages he had generating 2.5 million hits on my tour were redirected to the main site.

Except one. This one he redirected to the wrong page. The URL now goes to where the others go to.

The URL with is with the affiliate code, check the site it was hosted on and check out the link and where it goes now.

I think that's enough to warrant a ban but the guppies over at the Pond think I should of bought a new server to carry this extra traffic. Some even think he's a whale.

The affiliate who were sending traffic were suffering by the tour working slowly.

Is the affiliate in question a scammer? Well he changed all the pages to redirect to the page the image URL redirect to. He had lots of other sponsors banners on the site and mine were low down. Seems strange way for an honest man to work. An honest man would answer the phone and take the links down. IMO a dishonest one would avoid me and hide the pages.

That's it and if I did wrong I will apologise to the affiliate as soon as he contacts me. He has not so far.

minusonebit would you like to ask him why he did what he did? He might reply to you.

minusonebit knows all the info I posted here.

Blah blah blah. You still haven't answered this question anywhere:

When you get a genuine whale, who uses your hosted banner(s) and/or sends a lot of traffic to your tour, are they not also going to slow the tour down for other affiliates (as well as themselves) and cause as you put it "LOST SIGN UPS!"?

Paul Markham · 11-28-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You should be giving him guidance on how to convert his traffic on your site.

What if he does not reply to your emails and phone calls. Should I go and visit him at his office in London?

Jel if you think this guy is a whale or even anything close to one you're a fool. He might make you look like a whale.

Maybe I should of redirected the guys traffic. Made a mistake, slam me for that one.

ProjectNaked · 11-28-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

Blah blah blah. You still haven't answered this question anywhere:

When you get a genuine whale, who uses your hosted banner(s) and/or sends a lot of traffic to your tour, are they not also going to slow the tour down for other affiliates (as well as themselves) and cause as you put it "LOST SIGN UPS!"?

there is a BIG difference between sending a lot of traffic and sending a lot of traffic that makes sales.

Jel · 11-28-2007, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Jel if you think this guy is a whale or even anything close to one you're a fool. He might make you look like a whale.

Where did I say he was a whale? Do you really not get this? What happens when a genuine guy with a lot of traffic, who sends sales, utilises your hosted tools, and/or sends a lot of traffic to your tour? If this guy who didn't send sales, but a lot of traffic, can fuck up your tour, and cause problems for other affiliates, what happens when the guy who can send 100+ sales a day starts sending surfers to you?

Jel · 11-28-2007, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ProjectNaked

there is a BIG difference between sending a lot of traffic and sending a lot of traffic that makes sales.

Not when a lot of traffic affects your tour. Then it doesn't matter if it's good traffic or bad. It has the same impact overall as far as hanging pages, slow load times, and inability to reach the join page (in this case).

CDSmith · 11-28-2007, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Enemator

Minusonebit is a fucking moron. But this remark of yours is bullcrap too...

Oh really. Is Paul the owner of his site or isn't he?

kovacs · 11-28-2007, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Serious Business

everyone knows park markham is a big douchebag, and his paysites suck

That's pretty much the beginning and the end of this thread...

Enemator · 11-28-2007, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Oh really. Is Paul the owner of his site or isn't he?

That doesn't mean you can do ANYTHING you want when it comes to affiliates. It's called business ethics.

For the record: I'm not saying anything about his decision in this matter. I'm talking in general.

11-27-2007, 01:45 AM	#3
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Megafoo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 232	Paul Markham can do whatever he wants its his affiliate program, i'd kick a 1 in 20,000 ratio myself if i had a paysite. Its a paysite. its not like he can trade the traffic away and push the crap traffic on someone else to deal with. He is the one paying the bandwidth, just shut the fuck up and move on. __________________ ICQ number: 497388922

11-27-2007, 05:46 AM	#13
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	I would expect my account to be closed if i was sending that ratio! I assume paul is here to make money, its his site, so why not. politley tell them thanks but no thanks. __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

11-27-2007, 01:43 AM	#2
dozey Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Moonland Posts: 552	Sounds pretty sensible to me. Added bonuns if it's the "I know if a sponsor did this to me, I'd be awfully damn pissed" minusonebrain affilaites being banned.

11-27-2007, 01:54 AM	#4
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	blah blah blah I post passwords and steal electricity blah blah blah

11-27-2007, 04:47 AM	#9
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Anything that get all the bad attention away from you, you fucking rat.

11-27-2007, 05:06 AM	#10
Aussie Rebel Blow Me U Geeks Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Maximum Security Posts: 5,108	I normally stay out of your threads because I don't like you, but mate I really have to ask you something and I'm not trying to be a smartie or anything because I'm not really well liked here either, but why are you still here man? I really am not trolling I just dont understand why

11-27-2007, 06:02 AM	#15
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	You aren't the guy who supports torrents.. sorry about that. but the rest of it stands.

11-27-2007, 06:11 AM	#16
LFCII Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: U.S / Brasil Posts: 124	I would think at 1 in 25000 the affiliate would stop sending traffic anyways and find a sponsor whom converts a little better for them. __________________ Tchau

11-27-2007, 06:38 AM	#17
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	Uhhh, 25,000 hits A MONTH? What is he hosting his site on? A Pentium 3 with his own cable connection? I could understand it if it was 25,000 per day, but not a month. We're talking much less than 1000 hits a day here folks.

11-27-2007, 06:44 AM	#18
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Wow, anyone SMART would WORK with affiliates with bad ratios to help them to figure out ways to make the ratios better. Sales are sales... A penny is better than nothing. Unbelievable. 25k hits is NOTHING, if he was getting some good traffic he would get than an HOUR. Sounds like things would melt down. There's a saying that seems to apply here (specifically to Paul). "Remove the rafter from your own eye before removing the piece of straw from your brother's." Sounds like Paul has a few rafters (not abig surprise) and really has no room to give anyone else advice on running a "successful" paysite. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

11-27-2007, 06:48 AM	#19
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,727	It's hardly immoral to close a malfunctioning account. I've had lots of tards not realizing they are sending Turkish hitbot traffic to my FHG's. It's not even drama...It's just prudent business. Considering all the outright shaving and theft that goes on via GFY this is nothing at all.

11-27-2007, 06:49 AM	#20
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Everyone has to start somewhere.... Throwing away traffic because of bad ratios is silly. Finding ways to make the traffic work for you is a much better way of going about it, and all it takes is a little research and effort. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

11-27-2007, 06:59 AM	#21
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	everyone knows park markham is a big douchebag, and his paysites suck __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

11-27-2007, 08:00 AM	#23
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	Paul Markham is one of the top minds in this business. How dare you all question his ability. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

11-27-2007, 08:13 AM	#26
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	You know you're small-time when..... __________________ I died.

11-27-2007, 10:29 AM	#30
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Ignoring who started this thread (yeah for some two seperate thoughts are impossible) two things would annoy me here. 1. Paul should have something stated in his TOS, I personally know it takes a bit of time and effort to set up a serious promo run for a sponsor, well for me at least. 2. It is a fucking hosted banner. Yes that means paul decided to make banners that he hosted, that he had designed, and that he had approved. He then blames the affliate for lack of clicks to his banner? Hell a single hun listing with that banner on the gallery could produce 25k page loads. Yup ban that damn affiliate for using your tools. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

11-27-2007, 10:39 AM	#31
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	heh, Paul is off on another board now calling the affiliate a scammer and threatening to add him to that board's shitlist. My god Paul, you really are an idiot. The guy didn't scam you, he tried to make you some money. Jesus Christ I promise I will never promote your worthless piece of shit program and anyone who does should promptly get a CT scan of their head to check for damage.

11-27-2007, 11:04 AM	#32
mn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,505	1:20000 wtf?! chinese 404 traffic? btw if it's in the terms clearly stated you will get the account closed if you go under a certain ratio i see no problems (although i would never touch such a sponsor). If not I would be seriously pissed. It's not easy to switch links if it's gallery traffic for example. 1000 hits extra per day, or even 10,000 or 100,000 should not slow down a server hosting a paysite IMHO. There must be room for this in respect to the affiliates. I don't run any paysites myself so this is just my personal opinions.

11-27-2007, 11:45 AM	#34
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	He has the right to cancel the account if he wants to....HOWEVER, he MUST pay the man what he has already earned. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

11-27-2007, 11:48 AM	#35
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	Being paid shouldn't be an issue. Doesn't he use CCBill? __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

11-27-2007, 11:57 AM	#36
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The affiliate was sucking down more than banners. he was slowing down the tour. So I investigated him. His Domain was on Sumo.tv and the name of the affiliate is the name of an employee there. So could of been doing it under the companies instructions. Maybe Sumo have gone into the porn business. I emailed the affiliate 3 times to sort out why so much traffic, he had generated 2.5+ millions hits from the K page views. Maybe banners but it's a lot of traffic and it was on my tour not my banners. I got no replies to my emails, so I phoned his office. After making sure he was there I asked to be put through to him. He was out to lunch at 2.30 UK time, an hour later he was still out to lunch. However in that hour the pages he had generating 2.5 million hits on my tour were redirected to the main site. Except one. This one he redirected to the wrong page. The URL now goes to where the others go to. The URL with is with the affiliate code, check the site it was hosted on and check out the link and where it goes now. I think that's enough to warrant a ban but the guppies over at the Pond think I should of bought a new server to carry this extra traffic. Some even think he's a whale. The affiliate who were sending traffic were suffering by the tour working slowly. Is the affiliate in question a scammer? Well he changed all the pages to redirect to the page the image URL redirect to. He had lots of other sponsors banners on the site and mine were low down. Seems strange way for an honest man to work. An honest man would answer the phone and take the links down. IMO a dishonest one would avoid me and hide the pages. That's it and if I did wrong I will apologise to the affiliate as soon as he contacts me. He has not so far. minusonebit would you like to ask him why he did what he did? He might reply to you. minusonebit knows all the info I posted here. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

11-27-2007, 12:01 PM	#37
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	You should be giving him guidance on how to convert his traffic on your site.

11-27-2007, 02:49 PM	#38
~Ray visit hardlinks.org Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas , Nv >>> [email protected] or icq 94994627 anytime Posts: 18,362	redirect that sumo traffic to an asian tgp and pay him per k that's just an alt option __________________ Adult Backlinks for Adult Websites - Testimonials Available

11-27-2007, 03:10 PM	#39
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Paul Markham is an idiot, that's not exactly breaking news. The hilarious thing about him is that while being an idiot, he "thinks" he knows everything....and so not only does he run his business in a totally fucked up way, but he feels the need to jump into business threads and pontificate his fucked up business philosophies to the rest of us (philosophies that include canning affiliates with bad ratios because he can't afford $150 a month for another server).....and tells those of us who have had lots of success in this business that we're all doing it wrong and we should listen to him.

11-27-2007, 03:12 PM	#40
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	I will give Paul credit for inventing magic join links though. That's something I haven't been able to accomplish

11-27-2007, 03:23 PM	#41
Roald SecretFriends.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: IMC Headquarters Posts: 27,888	Paul closes an account for way less lol __________________ WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME ClubSweethearts \| ManUpFilms \| SinfulXXX \| HOT * AdultPrime * HOT Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com \| telegram: roaldr

11-27-2007, 03:28 PM	#42
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	2.5 million hits in an hour, LMAO... riiiiiiiiiight