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Roald 11-27-2007 03:23 PM
Paul closes an account for way less lol

aico 11-27-2007 03:28 PM
2.5 million hits in an hour, LMAO... riiiiiiiiiight

Jel 11-27-2007 11:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 13428846)
The affiliate was sucking down more than banners. he was slowing down the tour. So I investigated him.

His Domain was on Sumo.tv and the name of the affiliate is the name of an employee there. So could of been doing it under the companies instructions. Maybe Sumo have gone into the porn business.

I emailed the affiliate 3 times to sort out why so much traffic, he had generated 2.5+ millions hits from the K page views. Maybe banners but it's a lot of traffic and it was on my tour not my banners.

I got no replies to my emails, so I phoned his office. After making sure he was there I asked to be put through to him. He was out to lunch at 2.30 UK time, an hour later he was still out to lunch. However in that hour the pages he had generating 2.5 million hits on my tour were redirected to the main site.

Except one. This one he redirected to the wrong page. The URL now goes to where the others go to.



The URL with is with the affiliate code, check the site it was hosted on and check out the link and where it goes now.

I think that's enough to warrant a ban but the guppies over at the Pond think I should of bought a new server to carry this extra traffic. Some even think he's a whale. :1orglaugh

The affiliate who were sending traffic were suffering by the tour working slowly.

Is the affiliate in question a scammer? Well he changed all the pages to redirect to the page the image URL redirect to. He had lots of other sponsors banners on the site and mine were low down. Seems strange way for an honest man to work. An honest man would answer the phone and take the links down. IMO a dishonest one would avoid me and hide the pages.

That's it and if I did wrong I will apologise to the affiliate as soon as he contacts me. He has not so far.

minusonebit would you like to ask him why he did what he did? He might reply to you.

minusonebit knows all the info I posted here.
Blah blah blah. You still haven't answered this question anywhere:

When you get a genuine whale, who uses your hosted banner(s) and/or sends a lot of traffic to your tour, are they not also going to slow the tour down for other affiliates (as well as themselves) and cause as you put it "LOST SIGN UPS!"?

Paul Markham 11-28-2007 01:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13428874)
You should be giving him guidance on how to convert his traffic on your site.
What if he does not reply to your emails and phone calls. Should I go and visit him at his office in London?

Jel if you think this guy is a whale or even anything close to one you're a fool. He might make you look like a whale. :1orglaugh

Maybe I should of redirected the guys traffic. Made a mistake, slam me for that one.

ProjectNaked 11-28-2007 01:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 13431855)
Blah blah blah. You still haven't answered this question anywhere:

When you get a genuine whale, who uses your hosted banner(s) and/or sends a lot of traffic to your tour, are they not also going to slow the tour down for other affiliates (as well as themselves) and cause as you put it "LOST SIGN UPS!"?
there is a BIG difference between sending a lot of traffic and sending a lot of traffic that makes sales. :2 cents:

Jel 11-28-2007 03:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 13432172)
Jel if you think this guy is a whale or even anything close to one you're a fool. He might make you look like a whale. :1orglaugh
Where did I say he was a whale? Do you really not get this? What happens when a genuine guy with a lot of traffic, who sends sales, utilises your hosted tools, and/or sends a lot of traffic to your tour? If this guy who didn't send sales, but a lot of traffic, can fuck up your tour, and cause problems for other affiliates, what happens when the guy who can send 100+ sales a day starts sending surfers to you?

Jel 11-28-2007 03:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProjectNaked (Post 13432186)
there is a BIG difference between sending a lot of traffic and sending a lot of traffic that makes sales. :2 cents:
Not when a lot of traffic affects your tour. Then it doesn't matter if it's good traffic or bad. It has the same impact overall as far as hanging pages, slow load times, and inability to reach the join page (in this case).

CDSmith 11-28-2007 04:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enemator (Post 13427585)
Minusonebit is a fucking moron. But this remark of yours is bullcrap too...
Oh really. Is Paul the owner of his site or isn't he?

kovacs 11-28-2007 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Serious Business (Post 13427262)
everyone knows park markham is a big douchebag, and his paysites suck
That's pretty much the beginning and the end of this thread...

Enemator 11-28-2007 05:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 13432747)
Oh really. Is Paul the owner of his site or isn't he?
That doesn't mean you can do ANYTHING you want when it comes to affiliates. It's called business ethics.

For the record: I'm not saying anything about his decision in this matter. I'm talking in general.

CDSmith 11-28-2007 05:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 13432503)
Where did I say he was a whale? Do you really not get this? What happens when a genuine guy with a lot of traffic, who sends sales, utilises your hosted tools, and/or sends a lot of traffic to your tour? If this guy who didn't send sales, but a lot of traffic, can fuck up your tour, and cause problems for other affiliates, what happens when the guy who can send 100+ sales a day starts sending surfers to you?
Post 43 of the thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 13431855)
Blah blah blah. You still haven't answered this question anywhere:

When you get a genuine whale, who uses your hosted banner(s) and/or sends a lot of traffic to your tour, are they not also going to slow the tour down for other affiliates (as well as themselves) and cause as you put it "LOST SIGN UPS!"?

The term "whale" pertains to signups, not mass traffic.

My question is, why isn't the affiliate in question on these threads defending his own position? You'd think if his account with Paul was valuable he would be telling his side of the deal, no? (instead of you lot)

CDSmith 11-28-2007 05:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enemator (Post 13432830)
That doesn't mean you can do ANYTHING you want when it comes to affiliates. It's called business ethics.

For the record: I'm not saying anything about his decision in this matter. I'm talking in general.
I never said that I agree with what Paul has done. But the fact is it IS his site, and he can do whatever he wants with it. If he wants to take it down and burn all his content that's within his right to do so, for example.

I don't know of the program out there that has a TOS that gives affiliates any legal right of claim on how the program is run or how they are treated etc. Most programs will can an affiliate or suspend their account if they think the affiliate is up to no good or something is wrong with the way they send traffic. ALL of those that I deal with will at least listen to your side of it and work with you to make things right. Paul seems willing to do this.

The other guy doesn't seem to be talking much.

silver 11-28-2007 05:25 AM
Keep emailing & calling the dude....should be interesting to see how this turns out.

If the dude is sending non-converting traffic then offer him some help.
Maybe teach him how to filter it better...
Being a nice guy will get you farther and only improve your biz and rep. :thumbsup

...anyways i hope it all works out for you.

Shoplifter 11-28-2007 06:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enemator (Post 13432830)
That doesn't mean you can do ANYTHING you want when it comes to affiliates. It's called business ethics.
If it's about the ethics then why aren't all you guys in the completely misleading and dubious Naughty America contest thread?

I don't know anything about Paul Markham or his sites but this thread seems a little bit baited and unnecessary...There is real crap to deal with on GFY just a few clicks away...

Jel 11-28-2007 10:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 13432831)
Post 43 of the thread:




The term "whale" pertains to signups, not mass traffic.

My question is, why isn't the affiliate in question on these threads defending his own position? You'd think if his account with Paul was valuable he would be telling his side of the deal, no? (instead of you lot)
See the rest of the (my) post. Again, where did I say this particular guy was/is a whale? I'll save you the bother - I didn't.

kovacs 11-28-2007 07:07 PM
I have to say that as an affiliate I'd be pretty pissed off if someone rang my day job (not that I have one)... Regardless of what they were calling about, that would be grounds enough to can a sponsor.


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