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mike-al · 11-24-2007, 01:08 PM

I think ugh, let's see with our few, yeah our ugh couple "connections" in this industry that we have.. I think it is some 2 now, my mom, and my sister.. They play a good game... Uhgm, yeah, if we were headed down the wrong direction or struggling or whatever you think to seem is our problem.... (i have short term memory, did i even mention we had one again????) One little bird just might or would have whispered into our ears.. Hey ugh, you should convert into a tube site, it's sending 5000% times the signups..... its the future...

So ugh, tell me mighty man program owner dude, (since you want to take it to this 12 year old level you have been trying since your first post) is this a hush hush industry secret topic you are hiding, so you can shit on us "AFFILIATES EVEN MORE" while dominating going nowhere industry plot?

TheDoc · 11-24-2007, 01:20 PM

yeah, I can take it to this level, maybe you should read over what you post before you do. Telling a person they make nothing, $500 a week, what else.. oh yeah, crap vod I think it was.. And you twisted my words around in more than one post. pfft... Maybe you do need to learn your place in the market.

It's no secret, I have posted about tubes and many other traffic sources here on GFY and on my Blog. I have nothing to hide. I had the links to my tube posts in my signature for awhile too.

People shouldn't convert into tube sites - they should learn how to use all the different areas of the new Internet - so they can start gaining in traffic rather than falling behind.

Don't make this mistake of thinking that I put my entire business into Tube sites, that would be like putting my entire business into TGP's.. A mistake.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-24-2007, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike-al

Don't be pissed that tube sites send 10 times more traffic and sales than the biggest TGP's.. It's okay to get replaced

where are you getting that info from ?

i dont think it's even close.

mike-al · 11-24-2007, 01:28 PM

I'm sorry, I forget when I talk in "lingo' or "socialistic terms" that your comprehension levels here on this forum can't distinguish these statements and terms to be what they are and are all taken at personal level...

What the fuck was I thinking....

I guess my 3rd grade edumacational level should not be taking for granted and i should point out exactly the point I am trying to make without contradiction to offending your feelings..

I would not want you to cry

mike-al · 11-24-2007, 01:31 PM

and for those who only made it to second grade, what that means is.... you comprehend things different on forums by how you read, so you read you are being attacked you percieve the points being made wrong...

oh well... not my problem im done here bye

V_RocKs · 11-24-2007, 01:36 PM

It is all about the Benjamins!

kenny · 11-24-2007, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Years and years ago, when TGP's first came around... Everyone, and I mean everyone, said they wouldn't last - no way you could give away that much free content and still make a buck.. With almost no sponsors making hosted galleries, they started off as the first legit backdoor sites. (instead of hot linking the content, they linked directly to the page, they didn't used to have ads, it was stolen content people)

Saying Tube's will kill our business is flat wrong...

Its not going to help the business either.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-24-2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike-al

I'm sorry, I forget when I talk in "lingo' or "socialistic terms" that your comprehension levels here on this forum can't distinguish these statements and terms to be what they are and are all taken at personal level...

What the fuck was I thinking....

I guess my 3rd grade edumacational level should not be taking for granted and i should point out exactly the point I am trying to make without contradiction to offending your feelings..

I would not want you to cry

wtf ? are you talking to me ?

I was asking a legit question.

no need to get all offended dude. I think you forget not everyone is your enemy ( yet anyways haha )

if i took what you said out of context then by all means just state your true feelings. i only read the quote not your original statement. if you were being sarcastic then i agree with you.. no need to get all bent out of shape

kenny · 11-24-2007, 02:37 PM

I wonder thow much money the industry would make if there was no free porn or a limited amount like the old TGP2 concept.

mike-al · 11-24-2007, 02:39 PM

no i was not talking to you... from now on i will use comma's, quotations, periods, tabs, indentations, table guides and pictures, and other notation as needed.. and footnotes too!

Heh, I just read on another post, someone offering 8000 tube site submission, it leads to 500-800 hits per day... Wow, insane traffic, at 1:20000 convert rate, I can buy my family

a new well and fire pit out in the backyard

After all

I'm just the Affiliate

GatorB · 11-24-2007, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Years and years ago, when TGP's first came around... Everyone, and I mean everyone, said they wouldn't last - no way you could give away that much free content and still make a buck.. With almost no sponsors making hosted galleries, they started off as the first legit backdoor sites. (instead of hot linking the content, they linked directly to the page, they didn't used to have ads, it was stolen content people)

Saying Tube's will kill our business is flat wrong...

Except back then you could make 10X what you can on a TGP today. Wonder why that is? Hmmmmmmm. Back then you still had to join a paysite if you wanted movies.

TheDoc · 11-24-2007, 04:55 PM

Smokey, that was me that stated that, not Mike. Tube sites do have more traffic than TGP's. A few multi-million more uniques daily. You can run pronotube, thehun, freeones, worldsex, dansmovies, and keep going - porno tube wins.. and that's just one.

I love how TGP people think Tubes are bad.. Come on people, p2p at it's prime could send 100's of sales daily, newsgroups continue to pound sales.. Why do the rules change for Tubes? Please...

And GatorB, the majority of traffic back then was locked up within TGP's and our own traffic bubbles. (like paysites exiting paysites) The times have changed, we have had millions sucked out to other social networks - we do not have the same traffic volumes we once did. This is why marketing to Tube and other Social networks is so damn important and not something to run away from because it confuses the masses.

mike-al · 11-24-2007, 04:59 PM

who owns porno tube... a VOD, go figure

tony286 · 11-24-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Smokey, that was me that stated that, not Mike. Tube sites do have more traffic than TGP's. A few multi-million more uniques daily. You can run pronotube, thehun, freeones, worldsex, dansmovies, and keep going - porno tube wins.. and that's just one.

I love how TGP people think Tubes are bad.. Come on people, p2p at it's prime could send 100's of sales daily, newsgroups continue to pound sales.. Why do the rules change for Tubes? Please...

And GatorB, the majority of traffic back then was locked up within TGP's and our own traffic bubbles. (like paysites exiting paysites) The times have changed, we have had millions sucked out to other social networks - we do not have the same traffic volumes we once did. This is why marketing to Tube and other Social networks is so damn important and not something to run away from because it confuses the masses.

I cant see a place where everything is free like a p2p sending 100's of sales a day.When the main reason folks go to p2p is to not spend money.

$5 submissions · 11-24-2007, 05:18 PM

Do you guys see a middle ground on this issue? What would be a possibly win win situation?

StarkReality · 11-24-2007, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

And GatorB, the majority of traffic back then was locked up within TGP's and our own traffic bubbles. (like paysites exiting paysites) The times have changed, we have had millions sucked out to other social networks - we do not have the same traffic volumes we once did. This is why marketing to Tube and other Social networks is so damn important and not something to run away from because it confuses the masses.

Although true, there is a huge problem. If tubes would just spread promo content, it would be all fine, you can't have enough short videos with your URL branded on them floating around...but most offer full videos, and that's the point where guys wank off instead of joining.

In theory, tubes would be a hell of a nice traffic source, but by giving away too much full length stuff, the positive effects are more than compensated by the negative ones.

Even worse, the entry barrier is much lower than for P2P or even rapidshare & co. You need no tools to install for downloading and uncompressing/joining parts, no forums to join. You can access the site, wank off to a 15 minute movie, that's it...quick and easy relief. This basically means many newbie porn surfers and Joe Average who doesn't even know how to install a p2p client or rapidshare downloader, fresh potential customers, are lost forever.

TheDoc · 11-24-2007, 05:56 PM

$5 submissions is correct, we need to find a middle ground.. It's very hard when many people won't see past the bad apples though.

This could be a great subject to research.. What is the total movie clip count on an MGP vs a Tube site .. What is the total minute count vs the two? Out of say the top 100 TGP's vs the Top 100 Tubes, who has the most traffic. Then if possible run a test or two, if Mike would work with me and some of my clients, I'm sure I can get a Tube to assist too. It would be some great data to see at the end of the day. And finally a layout of time and money spent on each to see which ended with a shorter creation/promotion time vs income made.

I have some data already, pretty much just need to start testing both sides on a more level playing field... If that is possible.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-24-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Smokey, that was me that stated that, not Mike. Tube sites do have more traffic than TGP's. A few multi-million more uniques daily. You can run pronotube, thehun, freeones, worldsex, dansmovies, and keep going - porno tube wins.. and that's just one.

the quote was about signups not traffic.

i betcha despite pornotubes traffic thehun generate more signups to porn sites per day

SmokeyTheBear · 11-24-2007, 07:55 PM

edit sorry it was traffic and sales , same point , sure they have 10 times the traffic that goes without saying.. i doubt any are top affiliates at any sponsor

leedsfan · 11-24-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornreviewsource

i tend to agree however some of those tubesites, and i to mean SOME are actually ok... the ones that have just a few sample clips which would equal maybe four hosted video gals arent bad... the ones that only offer up 1 min videos and have a link to the sponser on that page somewhere...

unfortunately there are only very few who actually do this

we do.

www.sex2ube.com accepting sponsor videos all the time. 60-90 second clips only, not getting killed on b/w but ensuring surfers only get enough to want to click through a few videos before they get to what they want, and hopefully go buy a membership because they like what they see.

mike-al · 11-24-2007, 10:05 PM

I see you have your own pay per view VOD on that site, and I been on it 20 minutes now still looking for a sponsor paysite let alone how I can signup for it. Go figure another VOD

will76 · 11-24-2007, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike-al

You also support

feeding the poisonous snake in your backyard where your child plays.
feeding your porn affiliates a chapter 11 filing
tieing the noose around your companies neck
sending yourself up the river with no paddle
....... The death of your own industry.

Do the logic, do the math.... who's running the sites...
dating / cam programs... and people with no business knowledge
who are putting up the dating / cam ads..
Guess what, they can care less about your porn, which is why they are asking for it.. all for what, a banner ad? lol Their goal, take over the world, using your porn. And looks like they are winning. and laughing in your face at the same time

DO NOT FEED THE BEARS

Legendary Lars is their leader, that is for sure. AFF is on everyone of these sites and some of them AFF is their only advertiser.

Will you blacklist AFF and make a stand ?

will76 · 11-24-2007, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Years and years ago, when TGP's first came around... Everyone, and I mean everyone, said they wouldn't last - no way you could give away that much free content and still make a buck.. With almost no sponsors making hosted galleries, they started off as the first legit backdoor sites. (instead of hot linking the content, they linked directly to the page, they didn't used to have ads, it was stolen content people)

Saying Tube's will kill our business is flat wrong...

comparing tgps to tube / torrent sites is retarded.

First of all " back then" tgps were mostly pictures. Even the tgps around today only show 30 second clips. You know it is still possible to make an upsell from a 30 second clip to get them to join the members area to see full length 1+ hour videos.

A tube / torrent site on the other hand, which is giving away all of the full length videos from the members area, why are they going to pay when they getting it for free? unless the membership site offer something interractive you are an idiot for even trying to argue that people would still signup.

Comparing tgps to tubes/torrents is insaine.

will76 · 11-24-2007, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

TGPs will always have their place on the net, because there will always be surfers looking for pictures, and most tube sites don't offer pictures, only videos. However, with the proliferation of tube sites, MGPs will eventually become obsolete. Just ask yourself, why would a surfer want to visit an MGP when he can visit a tube site instead? That would be the same as a surfer preferring to visit a TGP2 site, instead of a TGP.

the perecentage of the net who prefers pictures over videos

pictures < videos 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111

tgps may make it, but if it is just people looking for pictures hitting their sites their traffic will go to shit, therefore they wont be able to justify charging for paid spots therefore if they stay open it will be more of a hobby site than anything else.

will76 · 11-24-2007, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

I cant see a place where everything is free like a p2p sending 100's of sales a day.When the main reason folks go to p2p is to not spend money.

I see even p2p dieing off compared to tube type sites. p2p you don't get a preview before you download and that sucks. also with p2p there is the 'trust' factor, you could be downloading fake videos with drm pop ups or viruses who god knows what shit. p2p is not real user friendly. I see p2p like old newsgroups compared to tgps which are the new torrents. Most people went to tgps instead of newsgroups. P2P will even lose out from the tubes.

11-24-2007, 01:08 PM	#51
mike-al Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 691	I think ugh, let's see with our few, yeah our ugh couple "connections" in this industry that we have.. I think it is some 2 now, my mom, and my sister.. They play a good game... Uhgm, yeah, if we were headed down the wrong direction or struggling or whatever you think to seem is our problem.... (i have short term memory, did i even mention we had one again????) One little bird just might or would have whispered into our ears.. Hey ugh, you should convert into a tube site, it's sending 5000% times the signups..... its the future... So ugh, tell me mighty man program owner dude, (since you want to take it to this 12 year old level you have been trying since your first post) is this a hush hush industry secret topic you are hiding, so you can shit on us "AFFILIATES EVEN MORE" while dominating going nowhere industry plot? __________________ Delete this account, i am done here

11-24-2007, 01:20 PM	#52
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	yeah, I can take it to this level, maybe you should read over what you post before you do. Telling a person they make nothing, $500 a week, what else.. oh yeah, crap vod I think it was.. And you twisted my words around in more than one post. pfft... Maybe you do need to learn your place in the market. It's no secret, I have posted about tubes and many other traffic sources here on GFY and on my Blog. I have nothing to hide. I had the links to my tube posts in my signature for awhile too. People shouldn't convert into tube sites - they should learn how to use all the different areas of the new Internet - so they can start gaining in traffic rather than falling behind. Don't make this mistake of thinking that I put my entire business into Tube sites, that would be like putting my entire business into TGP's.. A mistake. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

11-24-2007, 01:28 PM	#54
mike-al Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 691	I'm sorry, I forget when I talk in "lingo' or "socialistic terms" that your comprehension levels here on this forum can't distinguish these statements and terms to be what they are and are all taken at personal level... What the fuck was I thinking.... I guess my 3rd grade edumacational level should not be taking for granted and i should point out exactly the point I am trying to make without contradiction to offending your feelings.. I would not want you to cry __________________ Delete this account, i am done here

11-24-2007, 01:31 PM	#55
mike-al Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 691	and for those who only made it to second grade, what that means is.... you comprehend things different on forums by how you read, so you read you are being attacked you percieve the points being made wrong... oh well... not my problem im done here bye __________________ Delete this account, i am done here

11-24-2007, 02:37 PM	#59
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	I wonder thow much money the industry would make if there was no free porn or a limited amount like the old TGP2 concept. __________________ 7

11-24-2007, 01:36 PM	#56
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	It is all about the Benjamins!

11-24-2007, 02:39 PM	#60
mike-al Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 691	no i was not talking to you... from now on i will use comma's, quotations, periods, tabs, indentations, table guides and pictures, and other notation as needed.. and footnotes too! Heh, I just read on another post, someone offering 8000 tube site submission, it leads to 500-800 hits per day... Wow, insane traffic, at 1:20000 convert rate, I can buy my family a new well and fire pit out in the backyard After all I'm just the Affiliate __________________ Delete this account, i am done here Last edited by mike-al; 11-24-2007 at 02:40 PM..

11-24-2007, 04:55 PM	#62
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Smokey, that was me that stated that, not Mike. Tube sites do have more traffic than TGP's. A few multi-million more uniques daily. You can run pronotube, thehun, freeones, worldsex, dansmovies, and keep going - porno tube wins.. and that's just one. I love how TGP people think Tubes are bad.. Come on people, p2p at it's prime could send 100's of sales daily, newsgroups continue to pound sales.. Why do the rules change for Tubes? Please... And GatorB, the majority of traffic back then was locked up within TGP's and our own traffic bubbles. (like paysites exiting paysites) The times have changed, we have had millions sucked out to other social networks - we do not have the same traffic volumes we once did. This is why marketing to Tube and other Social networks is so damn important and not something to run away from because it confuses the masses. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

11-24-2007, 04:59 PM	#63
mike-al Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 691	who owns porno tube... a VOD, go figure __________________ Delete this account, i am done here

11-24-2007, 05:18 PM	#65
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Do you guys see a middle ground on this issue? What would be a possibly win win situation? __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

11-24-2007, 05:56 PM	#67
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	$5 submissions is correct, we need to find a middle ground.. It's very hard when many people won't see past the bad apples though. This could be a great subject to research.. What is the total movie clip count on an MGP vs a Tube site .. What is the total minute count vs the two? Out of say the top 100 TGP's vs the Top 100 Tubes, who has the most traffic. Then if possible run a test or two, if Mike would work with me and some of my clients, I'm sure I can get a Tube to assist too. It would be some great data to see at the end of the day. And finally a layout of time and money spent on each to see which ended with a shorter creation/promotion time vs income made. I have some data already, pretty much just need to start testing both sides on a more level playing field... If that is possible. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

11-24-2007, 07:55 PM	#69
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	edit sorry it was traffic and sales , same point , sure they have 10 times the traffic that goes without saying.. i doubt any are top affiliates at any sponsor __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

11-24-2007, 10:05 PM	#71
mike-al Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 691	I see you have your own pay per view VOD on that site, and I been on it 20 minutes now still looking for a sponsor paysite let alone how I can signup for it. Go figure another VOD __________________ Delete this account, i am done here