who gives a fuck about them

these are the people killing the industry by offering all the free porn anyway if they die off the rest of us will be a lot better off ..... those of us who arent in this as a hobby to make drug money at the weekend

O RLY???

The VOD players do, because its right up their alley for now.
Is it not so clearly seen as a way to cheaply take over the entire industry by taking out the pay sites feeding them with free upsell material they use to drive sales to their own programs? Like I said, if you support them, you are feeding the snake that will kill you. Because their intentions are not to sell your site, but to feed their own using your content. Some players might not have this in mind or have the clue now, but as said, the VOD's will buy all these sites up and start toyng with it.. Just like all the pop-up circle jerk tgp's

Can't see how TheDoc thinks he can say it could replace a TGP/MGP either. Clearly he is closed minded over the few bucks he's making to his VOD now..
All we have to say to our providers, is hey, ughm no more 10-20 seconds clips, make em 3-10 minutes now like the tube sites.. lol, simple as that.
Game over back in our control if we really cared.

Lets look futher into this.. Now, who would the sponsor choose, a leashed site established for 10 years on a known model that works with direct advertising plugs, or dump their crap into the public domain in which maybe they might get a viewer to their tour, and who knows what else... I mean hey if there is going to be 100000 tube sites, "affiliates" must be accessing this content easily from somewhere right? You think theyre going to spend day/night uploading their huge videos to your site 24/7? You already see most of it is closed doors already... Tube sites are in fact suffercating themselves already.

With TGP/MGP you are in control, you have the leash... You put your content on these sites, they can do with it what they want.. You really thing as a surfer when i see that 2 second graphic at the end that says JOE BLOWS PORN SITE.. that I as a surfer am gonna run right over and sign up.. lol
or am i going to refresh that page and see another video until i get redirected to a dating / cam site.

Hell the way i see it, you put that content out there like that, i can run a bot on your site and have my own clone and do with the content what i want.. after all, there's ZERO restrictions behind it...... you put it out there.... its about as close to public domain content as one can get no?

WHAT A CRAZY IDEA THAT WILL FAIL

you sir are an idiot you sound like paul markham on crack and every time someone counters your point with a valid reason why you are wrong you change your stance

its the sponsors fault
its the tube sites fault
its the pro webmasters fault
its the vod sites fault

it seems like it is everyones fault but your own for not staying in with the latest trends why you arent making any money

just go back to sticking your head in the sand you will make a lot more sense doing that than posting any more in this thread

yes im so scared, we are going 100% TUBE tommorow

lol, actually im sick of this topic being 99% of all trade show scuttlebutt lately.. when its so blatently fucking obvious how stupid the model is

TGPs will always have their place on the net, because there will always be surfers looking for pictures, and most tube sites don't offer pictures, only videos. However, with the proliferation of tube sites, MGPs will eventually become obsolete. Just ask yourself, why would a surfer want to visit an MGP when he can visit a tube site instead? That would be the same as a surfer preferring to visit a TGP2 site, instead of a TGP.

Mike, I never said TGP's/MGP's would get replaced by Tube sites.. I said, and I quote "Don't be pissed that tube sites send 10 times more traffic and sales than the biggest TGP's.. It's okay to get replaced."

Well, I guess you are being replaced - as they gain more traffic and suck yours away. But it isn't just Tube sites - it's the entire social Internet doing it to you because you refuse to wake up.

And I love your idea that Tube and VOD going together. Your statement proves my point even more.. If people are willing to buy very expensive VOD, then they will damn sure pay for cheap ass porn sites.

I do find it funny that you continue to reference me as some small joe blow webmaster. You're the Affiliate, not I.

Mike, I never said TGP's/MGP's would get replaced by Tube sites.. I said, and I quote "Don't be pissed that tube sites send 10 times more traffic and sales than the biggest TGP's.. It's okay to get replaced."

Ughm, why is my brain spinning at this one... I mean did he just not say he just not say did not just say this this yet it says he said it before saying it was said?

You are a bit slow.. I never said Tubes would replace TGP's and MGP's.. But you will be replaced as the traffic kings, like tubes and other social sites take a stronger hold.. Saying you will be replaced in reference to traffic does not mean that TGP's and MGP's are a lost business model.

You are twisting words to make yourself feel better but in reality your making yourself look stupid.

These guys can help him.

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They will host anything.

I think ugh, let's see with our few, yeah our ugh couple "connections" in this industry that we have.. I think it is some 2 now, my mom, and my sister.. They play a good game... Uhgm, yeah, if we were headed down the wrong direction or struggling or whatever you think to seem is our problem.... (i have short term memory, did i even mention we had one again????) One little bird just might or would have whispered into our ears.. Hey ugh, you should convert into a tube site, it's sending 5000% times the signups..... its the future...

So ugh, tell me mighty man program owner dude, (since you want to take it to this 12 year old level you have been trying since your first post) is this a hush hush industry secret topic you are hiding, so you can shit on us "AFFILIATES EVEN MORE" while dominating going nowhere industry plot?

yeah, I can take it to this level, maybe you should read over what you post before you do. Telling a person they make nothing, $500 a week, what else.. oh yeah, crap vod I think it was.. And you twisted my words around in more than one post. pfft... Maybe you do need to learn your place in the market.

It's no secret, I have posted about tubes and many other traffic sources here on GFY and on my Blog. I have nothing to hide. I had the links to my tube posts in my signature for awhile too.

People shouldn't convert into tube sites - they should learn how to use all the different areas of the new Internet - so they can start gaining in traffic rather than falling behind.

Don't make this mistake of thinking that I put my entire business into Tube sites, that would be like putting my entire business into TGP's.. A mistake.

where are you getting that info from ?

i dont think it's even close.

I'm sorry, I forget when I talk in "lingo' or "socialistic terms" that your comprehension levels here on this forum can't distinguish these statements and terms to be what they are and are all taken at personal level...

What the fuck was I thinking....

I guess my 3rd grade edumacational level should not be taking for granted and i should point out exactly the point I am trying to make without contradiction to offending your feelings..

I would not want you to cry

and for those who only made it to second grade, what that means is.... you comprehend things different on forums by how you read, so you read you are being attacked you percieve the points being made wrong...

oh well... not my problem im done here bye

It is all about the Benjamins!

Its not going to help the business either.

wtf ? are you talking to me ?

I was asking a legit question.

no need to get all offended dude. I think you forget not everyone is your enemy ( yet anyways haha )

if i took what you said out of context then by all means just state your true feelings. i only read the quote not your original statement. if you were being sarcastic then i agree with you.. no need to get all bent out of shape :upsidedow

I wonder thow much money the industry would make if there was no free porn or a limited amount like the old TGP2 concept.

no i was not talking to you... from now on i will use comma's, quotations, periods, tabs, indentations, table guides and pictures, and other notation as needed.. and footnotes too!

Heh, I just read on another post, someone offering 8000 tube site submission, it leads to 500-800 hits per day... Wow, insane traffic, at 1:20000 convert rate, I can buy my family

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a new well and fire pit out in the backyard

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After all

I'm just the Affiliate

Except back then you could make 10X what you can on a TGP today. Wonder why that is? Hmmmmmmm. Back then you still had to join a paysite if you wanted movies.

Smokey, that was me that stated that, not Mike. Tube sites do have more traffic than TGP's. A few multi-million more uniques daily. You can run pronotube, thehun, freeones, worldsex, dansmovies, and keep going - porno tube wins.. and that's just one.


I love how TGP people think Tubes are bad.. Come on people, p2p at it's prime could send 100's of sales daily, newsgroups continue to pound sales.. Why do the rules change for Tubes? Please...

And GatorB, the majority of traffic back then was locked up within TGP's and our own traffic bubbles. (like paysites exiting paysites) The times have changed, we have had millions sucked out to other social networks - we do not have the same traffic volumes we once did. This is why marketing to Tube and other Social networks is so damn important and not something to run away from because it confuses the masses.

who owns porno tube... a VOD, go figure

I cant see a place where everything is free like a p2p sending 100's of sales a day.When the main reason folks go to p2p is to not spend money.

Do you guys see a middle ground on this issue? What would be a possibly win win situation?

Although true, there is a huge problem. If tubes would just spread promo content, it would be all fine, you can't have enough short videos with your URL branded on them floating around...but most offer full videos, and that's the point where guys wank off instead of joining.

In theory, tubes would be a hell of a nice traffic source, but by giving away too much full length stuff, the positive effects are more than compensated by the negative ones.

Even worse, the entry barrier is much lower than for P2P or even rapidshare & co. You need no tools to install for downloading and uncompressing/joining parts, no forums to join. You can access the site, wank off to a 15 minute movie, that's it...quick and easy relief. This basically means many newbie porn surfers and Joe Average who doesn't even know how to install a p2p client or rapidshare downloader, fresh potential customers, are lost forever.

$5 submissions is correct, we need to find a middle ground.. It's very hard when many people won't see past the bad apples though.

This could be a great subject to research.. What is the total movie clip count on an MGP vs a Tube site .. What is the total minute count vs the two? Out of say the top 100 TGP's vs the Top 100 Tubes, who has the most traffic. Then if possible run a test or two, if Mike would work with me and some of my clients, I'm sure I can get a Tube to assist too. It would be some great data to see at the end of the day. And finally a layout of time and money spent on each to see which ended with a shorter creation/promotion time vs income made.

I have some data already, pretty much just need to start testing both sides on a more level playing field... If that is possible.

the quote was about signups not traffic.

i betcha despite pornotubes traffic thehun generate more signups to porn sites per day

edit sorry it was traffic and sales , same point , sure they have 10 times the traffic that goes without saying.. i doubt any are top affiliates at any sponsor

we do.

www.sex2ube.com accepting sponsor videos all the time. 60-90 second clips only, not getting killed on b/w but ensuring surfers only get enough to want to click through a few videos before they get to what they want, and hopefully go buy a membership because they like what they see.

I see you have your own pay per view VOD on that site, and I been on it 20 minutes now still looking for a sponsor paysite let alone how I can signup for it. Go figure another VOD

Legendary Lars is their leader, that is for sure. AFF is on everyone of these sites and some of them AFF is their only advertiser.

Will you blacklist AFF and make a stand ?

comparing tgps to tube / torrent sites is retarded.

First of all " back then" tgps were mostly pictures. Even the tgps around today only show 30 second clips. You know it is still possible to make an upsell from a 30 second clip to get them to join the members area to see full length 1+ hour videos.

A tube / torrent site on the other hand, which is giving away all of the full length videos from the members area, why are they going to pay when they getting it for free? unless the membership site offer something interractive you are an idiot for even trying to argue that people would still signup.

Comparing tgps to tubes/torrents is insaine.

the perecentage of the net who prefers pictures over videos

pictures < videos 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111

tgps may make it, but if it is just people looking for pictures hitting their sites their traffic will go to shit, therefore they wont be able to justify charging for paid spots therefore if they stay open it will be more of a hobby site than anything else.

I see even p2p dieing off compared to tube type sites. p2p you don't get a preview before you download and that sucks. also with p2p there is the 'trust' factor, you could be downloading fake videos with drm pop ups or viruses who god knows what shit. p2p is not real user friendly. I see p2p like old newsgroups compared to tgps which are the new torrents. Most people went to tgps instead of newsgroups. P2P will even lose out from the tubes.