the best MMA fighter and a young Mike Tyson in a cage - what would the outcome be and how would it go down?
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Tyson would bite his left nut off, and turns out he actually had testicular cancer so Tyson done him a favor.☻ -
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Mike in the 80's was unbeatable.. incredible display of boxing skills, such a beast!
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If you look at the recent Houston Alexander/Thiago Silva fight that would be a great indication. In Alexander's first two UFC fights he showed incredible power and blew out two guys that stood up with him, Keith Jardine and Alessio Sakara. In the Silva fight as soon as Alexander went to the ground he showed zero ability to do anything and Silva pounded him out.
In boxing if someone clinches the referee breaks it. In MMA it is only broken after a long period of inactivity. Tyson would have no clue what to do in the clinch, and if he was put on his back he would be fucked. Don't get me wrong, he could fuck someone up that would be willing to stand with him, but any MMA fighter with half a brain would take it to the mat ASAP. It just wouldn't be pretty for Tyson, save a lucky punch or an idiot that would stand and trade with him...Comment
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That's exactly the fight I was going to mention. If you get a good ground guy in there a boxer isn't going to stand a chance. All you have to do is look at the original UFC fights to see how badly Gracie destroyed everyone.
I really wish they would have had that Tyson / Sapp fight in Pride like they were talking about at one time. What a freak show that would have been.Comment
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About the way you'd think. Once Tyson is taken down he's done. If the other guy is dumb enough to stand and strike with him, he's done. Easy question lol...Comment
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There is exactly a 47.62 % chance Tyson would land a knockout blow before being taken down.
Actually I just made that up.Comment
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The best MMA fighter in the world who is in the same weight class as tyson would be Fedor Emilieanko.
Fedor would destroy Tyson.
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Tough call on that one. Usually you say someone has a "puncher's chance" .. perhaps a 1/10 chance of landing that big shot. Tyson was a prolific puncher in terms of power, but Ali, for instance, was a much more accurate puncher. If you watched Ali fight, he could hit you from any direction while he was moving in any direction.
All that being said, it's pretty much impossible to say what would happen in one given theorical fight. The best you could even hope for is a rough indication of what might happen over a given number of fights.
Tyson you'd give a slightly higher advantage to than you would an average boxer based on the fact that with that kind of power what might otherwise be a glancing blow may well be quite damaging.
If young Mike Tyson fought Fedor 100 times in a row, He'd probably win less than 10 over the entire series.
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with those little gloves if Tyson got a decent shot in they are out like a light if not worse.
everybody's also assuming Tyson would have no MMA training or techniques - what if he went into MMA training for 6 months before the fight so he would have some idea what to do when he got on the ground?I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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Doesn't matter how hard you can hit if you are on the ground or otherwise incapacitated.
Hell, look at Kimbo before he started training MMA. All it took was for big fat Gannon to put him in a simple choke and he couldn't do anything.Comment
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That's a common misconception of Tyson. While he had power, he never had the one punch KTFO power of a George Foreman. Early in his career he amassed that string of KO's by putting suffocating pressure on his opponents and throwing combinations until his opponent wilted under the onslaught. People remember the KO's, but they don't remember that is was the pressure, and not the one punch KO power that caused them. That is why the later, less motivated Tyson was so bad. People no longer feared him, and he no longer trained to keep up that onslaught on his opponents. He would throw some hard punches, and they wouldn't be enough to put anyone down, after which he would just quit...Comment
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Not really... I think it's been shown beyond any reasonable doubt that the boxer gets taken down and subbed and/or mounted and beaten badly, just about every time.
Give Iron Mike some good takedown defense training and I'd give him a shot against anyone. Blazing speed, ridiculous power, natural athleticism... and I don't think we ever saw him at the best he could have been.Comment
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Hell he didn't. He put quite a few opponents on their asses with one single, sharp shot. What happened in his later career is well documented. I don't care how much talent you have, if you're fighting Holyfield or any top class fighter and you're not training right you have a serious asswhooping coming.Comment
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He really didn't, man. He had terrific hand speed but he never had the power he was credited with. George Foreman could pick you up off the ground with an uppercut. Tyson's hand speed caused him to hit some flush shots that put guys on their asses, but he didn't have the really elite heavyweight power. In read an interview with Donovan "Razor" Ruddock where he stated Tommy Morrison hit him ten times harder than any shot Tyson hit him with, and Ruddock had a glass jaw. Read Burt Sugar's book and it will give you a lot of insight on Tyson's power...Comment
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Bert Sugar is a total asshole who thinks Max Baer was the greatest hw who ever lived, I don't have to ask him anything. I have all Tyson's fights on DVD lol...
Ask a few of Tyon's opponents who were bounced off the ropes and halfway across the ring from one left hook if he had one shot knockout power. It can be debated, but I would take a young Tyson over any version of Foreman. What Foreman did with wide hooks and looping overhand punches Tyson did with extremely quick and compact shots. He would get there first every time.Comment
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The opponents he was bouncing off the ropes were complete stiffs. Tyson's early fights were against stiffs even by today's watered down heavyweight standards. Every time he stepped up against guys like Mitch "Blood" Green, James "Bonecrusher" Smith, James "Quick" Tillis, Tony Tucker, etc. they took him the distance. If an opponent wasn't intimidated and wilted in the first few rounds Tyson was usually in for a long night. Bouncing around a blown up cruiserweight like Michael Spinks isn't really a good indicator of his power. ESPN Classic did an 8 hour retrospective of Tyson's career and every boxing historian on the panel said Tyson had great hand speed but didn't posess the elite heavyweight power. I'm not saying he doesn't possess good power, just not elite level...Comment
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you can give excuses, justifications and rationalizations for any position you want to hold in boxing. IMHO, since Tyson knocked guys out with one shot, he had one shot KO power. End of story. I've been a boxing freak since I was a small child, I'm 41 now, and I've never seen a harder puncher in my lifetime than Tyson. Not Foreman, not Earnie Shavers, not Cleveland Williams, nobody. Add in the fact that his shots were delivered at lightning speed, either hand was equally deadly and he threw in combinations and I think you have to work pretty fucking hard to deny his punching ability lol... I saw the same show and I don't remember any of them ever saying he didn't have 'elite' power. I can't think of any serious boxing fan who would make that claim. It's about as obvious as it can possibly ever be that he did.
Off the top of my head I can't think of any fighter who knocked out all of his opponents. That's just not how it happens. Not for Tyson, not for anyone else.Comment
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I've heard stories about him that give me pause about his character. I don't know the man so I can't anything for sure lol... imho he ranks the old timers a little too highly, which is a common thing for anyone who wants to seem like they're smarter than the average bear when it comes to boxing. Just like all of a sudden everyone 'knew' that Tyson would self-destruct, wasn't that good to begin with etc... look in old issues of Ring mag and they were singing a different tune in the mid 80's. Teddy Atlas was the only one I can think of who had the real story on Mike and what would eventually become of him.Comment
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Are you sure you watched the show? Al Bernstein went on a pretty long tangent about Tyson's punching power, and was backed up by everyone on the panel. He even made the analogy of Foreman's punches being like a semi hitting you at 60 MPH, and Tyson's like a Pontiac hitting you at 100 MPH. I'm not trying to make excuses or justifications. Tyson's KO's were strictly a product of his superior hand speed and good, but not elite level power. When Foreman came back he was horribly out of shape, but he could still put you on your ass. Just look at his jabs...even they would snap your head back violently and could knock you out.Comment
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Bernstein wasn't saying that Tyson was less of a puncher, he was saying he was a different kind of puncher. A 'sharp' puncher. And it's the fast, sharp punches you don't see coming that ring your bell the worst. Without bothering to do it myself, I bet you could google Bernstein, Sugar, and any other prominent boxing writer talking about Tyson's power being devastating. And probably quotes by the same people saying the complete opposite as well lol - but I will say almost for CERTAIN that you won't find ANYONE saying Tyson didn't have 'elite' power. That's just crazy talk.Comment
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I forgot to throw in Tyson's superior use of angles, too. When Tyson was using his old "peekaboo" defense he was such a superior technician that he would often hit guys with punches that they NEVER saw coming, which was also contributed to his high KO rate...Comment
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yep, with excellent footwork. I really think we're going thru a revisionist period now where his skills in his prime are being downgraded, but the pendulum will swing back the other way again over time. A lot of people feel very let down with Tyson, they backed him very strongly and made great claims about him and then he just blatantly self-destructed. I would say he hit and passed his peak before he ever got in the ring with Spinks, that's how short his prime was, and the only reason it was so short is because of Mike Tyson himself.
If I were given a piece of paper and a pencil and told to make a list of all the traits of a perfect heavyweight fighter, I would pretty end up describing Mike Tyson to a T, except that I would have given a stronger mental make-up to withstand the pressures of being a champ, and being Robin Given's husband. That's enough to bring just about any man to his knees.Comment
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Like many have pointed out, impossible to say 100% what would happen: Mike's fist vs. MMA fighter's takedown. But keep in mind today's elite MMA guys are very good with their fists as well as avoiding being hit so I'd think they would have little trouble avoiding his punches long enough to get him to the ground ... and then it's lights out Mikey.
Also, Mike trains for guys standing right in front of him, fists only. An MMA guy could keep him off balance with leg kicks long enough to grab him. Again, lights out Mikey. (Or in Mirko's case, for example, the kicks would end it quickly)Comment
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Houston Alexander would beat tyson in a mma fight let alone Fedor. HA HA...matt hughes would powerslam Tyson into oblivion. Fedor would have put him in the ICU.No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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If prime Tyson faught Fedor Emelianenko today. Tyson would get destroyed within 4 rounds.Comment
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Tyson was like a dog with rabies on the ground or not he would fuck them up.☻Comment
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Tyson was a BEAST back in the day, keep in mind he won the heavyweight title when he was only 20!! I would still take ali in his prime.
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The real question should be Lenox Lewis vs the best MMA fighter...Lewis was better than Tyson and even now hes retired could still probably beat anyone in MMA.☻Comment
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Saying Buster Douglass and Holyfield had more power than Tyson and saying I'm nuts in the same post is truly delicious irony.
clue: Douglas and Holyfield weren't hard punchers by HW standards. Holyfield isn't even a true heavyweight. Why do you feel like you have to post in this thread when you obviously have no fucking idea whatsoever what you're talking about?Comment
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and COME ON people... how much more proof do you need that boxing alone doesn't work in MMA? PERIOD. If you don't know by now, then you just don't get it and probably never will.
As much respect as I have for Tyson, he would get taken down and schooled by a 160 lb MMA fighter, let alone Fedor. Give Mike grappling training and he has a chance, without it he's just a victim. I train with a guy named Jeff Glover, who weighs 130 lbs, and I would give 4 to 1 odds on him against any HW boxer who has no ground training, and I'm keeping it at 4 to 1 just in case Jeff goes out from a shot to the back of the head when he shoots, because at his weight it could take him 30 seconds of effort AFTER a successful shot to unbalance his man. Once they're on the ground it's over.Comment
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yeah. That's why he got crushed against Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall lol... Lennox had some excellent qualities, but a good chin wasn't one of them. He would never be able to keep a young, bobbing and weaving Mike Tyson on the end of that jab, which was always pretty much his only game plan. Once Mike gets inside, it's lights out for Lennox.Comment
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Yes Foreman had way more power than Tyson but Douglas and Holyfield? Douglas had decent power but Holyfield can't be mentioned in same sentence. I think few people on here are confusing punching power with handspeed and technique. The last thing to go on a heavyweight is power and the first thing is speed. Mike Tyson had lightning handspeed and would clock you on the button with a punch you never saw. That is why he knocked people out not raw power. When he lost his speed he became a less than marginal heavyweight because he didn't have the punching power to fall back on. He couldn't knock out Kevin McBride who has a feather chin. If Foreman came out of retirement now at 60 years old he could still knock out McBride. That is punching power.Comment
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