GoogleBot Bypass WHOIS Guard Services.. - GoFuckYourself.com

CreatineGuy · 11-23-2007, 05:42 AM

Well, if you didn't know yet, GoogleBot bypass Whois protection services and has direct access to the real owner information.

This will be very interesting, specially for those who have 100 domains, hidden, protected and crosslinked to have more SE traffic.

riddler · 11-23-2007, 05:44 AM

unless they have inside connections to every privacy service thats not possible since all the whois guards do is put the companies address on the whois instead of yours.

beta-tester · 11-23-2007, 05:49 AM

Google itself is a registrar so of course it does have access to all domain's information.

CreatineGuy · 11-23-2007, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riddler

unless they have inside connections to every privacy service thats not possible since all the whois guards do is put the companies address on the whois instead of yours.

They have their own DATABASE, updated on a daily basis.

I am not saying it, they did it. And it is well known.

rowan · 11-23-2007, 05:57 AM

I find it hard to believe, if that were true then this means that every registrar would be able to see these details. Even if there's an ironclad privacy agreement that forbids them ever providing that data to a third party there would surely have been a leak by now. Do you have any actual proof of this?

dissipate · 11-23-2007, 05:59 AM

Google has addressed this question many times. Yes they are a registrar and they have access to whois information just like everyone else. However they have no way to access privacy guarded whois information.

riddler · 11-23-2007, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissipate

Google has addressed this question many times. Yes they are a registrar and they have access to whois information just like everyone else. However they have no way to access privacy guarded whois information.

thank you..

skillfull · 11-23-2007, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta-tester

Google itself is a registrar so of course it does have access to all domain's information.

what he said

sumphatpimp · 11-23-2007, 06:03 AM

thats why I registered everything in your name.
when the shit hits the fan...
well, you know.

Vick! · 11-23-2007, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreatineGuy

Well, if you didn't know yet, GoogleBot bypass Whois protection services and has direct access to the real owner information.

This will be very interesting, specially for those who have 100 domains, hidden, protected and crosslinked to have more SE traffic.

Why wonder in the world where Google is a registrar itself?

tony286 · 11-23-2007, 06:40 AM

Thank for the info but I believe no one should be able to hide them. Thats the problem with the net its too easy to hide.

CheneyRumsfeld · 11-23-2007, 06:43 AM

so google owns the internet, huh?

StarkReality · 11-23-2007, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissipate

However they have no way to access privacy guarded whois information.

Sorry, you are totally wrong, they have full access to all real data beyond the protection, it's not really news but apparently some people still don't know or don't want to believe.

Although they can't do whatever they want with this data, they are free to use it as long as they respect the privacy...e.g. via a hash created from the personal data. This way, it's still anonymous in regards of your personal data, but let's them detect site networks easily.

d-null · 11-23-2007, 06:52 AM

wouldn't using the whois info be a big mess anyways, eg. everyone using godaddy's privacy for instance would be listed as the same private whois... essentially a million users maybe (just guessing)... so the chance of those sites being linked even though they actually have different owners would be great.... hopefully google isn't so petty as to actually penalize private whois sites as it is

Marshal · 11-23-2007, 07:51 AM

complete bs!

another myth!

i've seen tons of sites hosted on the very same ip, interlinked, all with whois privacy, yet ranked on top positions for some very competitive keywods.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-23-2007, 07:56 AM

complete hogwash..

do they likely have connections at some of the biggest registrars to disclose this info ..? maybe

can they bypass all whois protection.. absolutley impossible.

legally i can own a whois protection service.. if you phone me up by telephone and give me your info and i write it down on a slip of paper and stick it in my gun safe , there is no way google could know whats on that slip of paper.

ok now for some real news..

i'm sure many people are aware of NAMECHEAP.com . did you know there whois protection is actually useless and i can find out your real info in about 5 minutes.

d-null · 11-23-2007, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

ok now for some real news..

i'm sure many people are aware of NAMECHEAP.com . did you know there whois protection is actually useless and i can find out your real info in about 5 minutes.

really? is that why they give it away for free? (not like that would be any excuse really

WiredGuy · 11-23-2007, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

ok now for some real news..

i'm sure many people are aware of NAMECHEAP.com . did you know there whois protection is actually useless and i can find out your real info in about 5 minutes.

Really? Can you post an example as I use them for that.
WG

Juilan · 11-23-2007, 08:10 AM

WTF? Enlighten us Smokey...

CreatineGuy · 11-23-2007, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Sorry, you are totally wrong, they have full access to all real data beyond the protection, it's not really news but apparently some people still don't know or don't want to believe.

Although they can't do whatever they want with this data, they are free to use it as long as they respect the privacy...e.g. via a hash created from the personal data. This way, it's still anonymous in regards of your personal data, but let's them detect site networks easily.

Exactly.

It is funny that some people still believe that google cannot bypass whois filter. That's why I opened this thread.

People should thank me. Specially those who spend thousands of dollars per year, hidding their profiles, because they think they will cheat google, by crosslinking all their domain names and putting them in different class C ips.

Well.. I will leave the class C IP myth for another thread. That is a big marketing Propaganda most Adult Hostings use to sell their services as "seo Hosting" or "Class C google friendly".. What a load of crap, just to trick webmasters and convince them that their hosting will drive loads of SE traffic.

CreatineGuy · 11-23-2007, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i'm sure many people are aware of NAMECHEAP.com . did you know there whois protection is actually useless and i can find out your real info in about 5 minutes.

archive --> go back in time when the domain whois had no protection. Not a big deal.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-23-2007, 08:28 AM

well the deal with namecheap is that they offer free whois protection, i hadnt used them before but decided recently to try them out.. I wasn't really interested in the whois protection but it comes free with every domain so sure why not.

so the next day i go do a whois on my newly registered domain and lo and behold my real info is on there. now as i said i wasn't looking for whois protection so i wasnt too upset other than because i assumed i was getting whois protection i gave my home address home phone number instead of my business address and business number i normally would use.

so i fire off an email to namecheap asking why my whois is not protected.

they informed me that whois protection does not kick in for 24-48 hours after i register the domain.

now many people are aware that companies like DOMAINTOOLS.com ( whois.sc ) log all changes to domain records so thus it logs my real info and the whois guard enabled the next day..

i.e. if you own a namecheap domain with whois guard and go check it at www.whois.sc/domain.com you will see TWO history's for your records. one with the whoisguard , and one with the real info.

darksoul · 11-23-2007, 08:40 AM

http://whois.domaintools.com/hqcamz.com

doesn't look like it

hateman · 11-23-2007, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreatineGuy

Well, if you didn't know yet, GoogleBot bypass Whois protection services and has direct access to the real owner information.

This will be very interesting, specially for those who have 100 domains, hidden, protected and crosslinked to have more SE traffic.

What is the source of this information?

Shagbunny · 11-23-2007, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumphatpimp

thats why I registered everything in your name.
when the shit hits the fan...
well, you know.

woj · 11-23-2007, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissipate

Google has addressed this question many times. Yes they are a registrar and they have access to whois information just like everyone else. However they have no way to access privacy guarded whois information.

bns666 · 11-23-2007, 11:08 AM

101% bullshit.

you can write any fake data in your registrar / privacy service's profile, all what they care about is your cc number and that is private data more or less unavailable to anyone.

minusonebit · 11-23-2007, 11:15 AM

Bullshit.

JD · 11-23-2007, 11:25 AM

lies.....

fluffygrrl · 11-23-2007, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

well the deal with namecheap is that they offer free whois protection, i hadnt used them before but decided recently to try them out.. I wasn't really interested in the whois protection but it comes free with every domain so sure why not.

so the next day i go do a whois on my newly registered domain and lo and behold my real info is on there. now as i said i wasn't looking for whois protection so i wasnt too upset other than because i assumed i was getting whois protection i gave my home address home phone number instead of my business address and business number i normally would use.

so i fire off an email to namecheap asking why my whois is not protected.

they informed me that whois protection does not kick in for 24-48 hours after i register the domain.

now many people are aware that companies like DOMAINTOOLS.com ( whois.sc ) log all changes to domain records so thus it logs my real info and the whois guard enabled the next day..

i.e. if you own a namecheap domain with whois guard and go check it at www.whois.sc/domain.com you will see TWO history's for your records. one with the whoisguard , and one with the real info.

Of course, you could easily get arround this issue by filling information such as :

Registrant : Protected by namecheap
Address : whois guard in cca 24 hours
Address : or 48 at the most
Phone : Tyvm.

Or somesuch.

While filling in FALSE information is actually illegal (in the sense it's an aggravating factor for any other illegal use of the domain name), filling in something like above would be fine.

Of course, you'd have to remember to update to proper information in say 72 hours. Or something.

CaptainHowdy · 11-23-2007, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissipate

Google has addressed this question many times. Yes they are a registrar and they have access to whois information just like everyone else. However they have no way to access privacy guarded whois information.

THREAD CLOSED

Theo · 11-23-2007, 01:34 PM

that's bullshit lol

u-Bob · 11-23-2007, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissipate

Google has addressed this question many times. Yes they are a registrar and they have access to whois information just like everyone else. However they have no way to access privacy guarded whois information.

what he said.

CreatineGuy · 11-23-2007, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

THREAD CLOSED

You only believe what you want to believe. I don't mind..

that random guy "dissipate" has no fucking idea what's he's talking about. He has no fucking idea about Seo at all.. But yes, his words fit most people desires here.

People believe what they want to believe.

CreatineGuy · 11-23-2007, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob

what he said.

heh, another clueless fag who believes some random guy.. he has no source at all. But again, you believe his words, because he fits your needs. That stupid ignorant of "dissipate" said exactly what people wanted to hear. Not the truth.

My source is mattcutts.com. Anyone can posts questions in his blog and get feedback from him.

Of course people here are so clueless and brainless that they have no fucking idea about anything. Funny.

u-Bob · 11-23-2007, 02:26 PM

care to post some facts to back up your claims?

Barefootsies · 11-23-2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta-tester

Google itself is a registrar so of course it does have access to all domain's information.

Correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

While filling in FALSE information is actually illegal (in the sense it's an aggravating factor for any other illegal use of the domain name), filling in something like above would be fine.

According to ICANN.

That is correct.

hateman · 11-23-2007, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreatineGuy

My source is mattcutts.com. Anyone can posts questions in his blog and get feedback from him.

link to the post where Matt says that google sees protected whois info?

rowan · 11-23-2007, 03:26 PM

Another thing to consider with WHOIS privacy, if you make a complaint then some registrars will release the data. Others will require a court order before they do this.

rowan · 11-23-2007, 03:29 PM

^^ Along the same lines, if every registrar could see the info, why would the appropriate authorities need to petition the registrar OF YOUR DOMAIN for that information?

blogman9 · 11-23-2007, 03:29 PM

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warlock5 · 11-23-2007, 03:49 PM

Smokey is the only one here who seems to understand what is going on.

If your whois protection is live at the time of registration, you are fine. If not, there is a history and your real information is trackable, either through domaintools or anyone logging the database.

However, this is again the whois database's Terms of Service but ICANN doesn't seem to have any interest in enforcing the rules.

riddler · 11-23-2007, 03:50 PM

just how smokey said is a dumbed down version of how it works, there is not "filter" its simpley paying a company to use their info instead of yours, not some fuckin smoke screen..

Iron Fist · 11-23-2007, 04:14 PM

What do you expect from a company when it's mandate is "To organize the world's information..."... sheech... seems like they are doing exactly what they've been telling people they want to do all along.

No drama here.... move along ;)

SmokeyTheBear · 11-23-2007, 10:21 PM

i have a feeling some of the other large registrars "cooperate" with google using the method i described above.

but as far as them knowing every domain its impossible as i explained above.

if i run a whois protection service for friends and they have only given me their info over the phone there is no possible way google could have that info unless google is tapping my phone.

11-23-2007, 05:42 AM	#1
CreatineGuy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: AMERICA (If u didn't know yet, America is a continent, not a country) Posts: 461	GoogleBot Bypass WHOIS Guard Services.. Well, if you didn't know yet, GoogleBot bypass Whois protection services and has direct access to the real owner information. This will be very interesting, specially for those who have 100 domains, hidden, protected and crosslinked to have more SE traffic.

11-23-2007, 05:49 AM	#3
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11-23-2007, 06:52 AM	#14
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	wouldn't using the whois info be a big mess anyways, eg. everyone using godaddy's privacy for instance would be listed as the same private whois... essentially a million users maybe (just guessing)... so the chance of those sites being linked even though they actually have different owners would be great.... hopefully google isn't so petty as to actually penalize private whois sites as it is __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

11-23-2007, 07:51 AM	#15
Marshal Biz Dev and SEO Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,174	complete bs! another myth! i've seen tons of sites hosted on the very same ip, interlinked, all with whois privacy, yet ranked on top positions for some very competitive keywods. __________________ --- Busy ranking websites on Google... Last edited by Marshal; 11-23-2007 at 07:53 AM..

11-23-2007, 07:56 AM	#16
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	complete hogwash.. do they likely have connections at some of the biggest registrars to disclose this info ..? maybe can they bypass all whois protection.. absolutley impossible. legally i can own a whois protection service.. if you phone me up by telephone and give me your info and i write it down on a slip of paper and stick it in my gun safe , there is no way google could know whats on that slip of paper. ok now for some real news.. i'm sure many people are aware of NAMECHEAP.com . did you know there whois protection is actually useless and i can find out your real info in about 5 minutes. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

11-23-2007, 05:44 AM	#2
riddler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: up in gang bang heaven Posts: 3,726	unless they have inside connections to every privacy service thats not possible since all the whois guards do is put the companies address on the whois instead of yours.

11-23-2007, 05:57 AM	#5
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I find it hard to believe, if that were true then this means that every registrar would be able to see these details. Even if there's an ironclad privacy agreement that forbids them ever providing that data to a third party there would surely have been a leak by now. Do you have any actual proof of this?

11-23-2007, 05:59 AM	#6
dissipate The Dirty Frenchman Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 8,904	Google has addressed this question many times. Yes they are a registrar and they have access to whois information just like everyone else. However they have no way to access privacy guarded whois information.

11-23-2007, 06:03 AM	#9
sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	thats why I registered everything in your name. when the shit hits the fan... well, you know.

11-23-2007, 06:40 AM	#11
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Thank for the info but I believe no one should be able to hide them. Thats the problem with the net its too easy to hide.

11-23-2007, 06:43 AM	#12
CheneyRumsfeld Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,341	so google owns the internet, huh?

11-23-2007, 08:10 AM	#19
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11-23-2007, 08:28 AM	#22
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	well the deal with namecheap is that they offer free whois protection, i hadnt used them before but decided recently to try them out.. I wasn't really interested in the whois protection but it comes free with every domain so sure why not. so the next day i go do a whois on my newly registered domain and lo and behold my real info is on there. now as i said i wasn't looking for whois protection so i wasnt too upset other than because i assumed i was getting whois protection i gave my home address home phone number instead of my business address and business number i normally would use. so i fire off an email to namecheap asking why my whois is not protected. they informed me that whois protection does not kick in for 24-48 hours after i register the domain. now many people are aware that companies like DOMAINTOOLS.com ( whois.sc ) log all changes to domain records so thus it logs my real info and the whois guard enabled the next day.. i.e. if you own a namecheap domain with whois guard and go check it at www.whois.sc/domain.com you will see TWO history's for your records. one with the whoisguard , and one with the real info. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

11-23-2007, 08:40 AM	#23
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11-23-2007, 11:08 AM	#27
bns666 Confirmed Fetishist Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fetishland Posts: 11,526	101% bullshit. you can write any fake data in your registrar / privacy service's profile, all what they care about is your cc number and that is private data more or less unavailable to anyone. __________________ ⭐ CAM SODA ⭐ STRIPCHAT ⭐ ⭐ CHATURBATE ⭐ X LOVE CAM ⭐

11-23-2007, 11:15 AM	#28
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Bullshit.

11-23-2007, 11:25 AM	#29
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	lies.....

11-23-2007, 01:34 PM	#32
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	that's bullshit lol

11-23-2007, 02:26 PM	#36
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	care to post some facts to back up your claims?

11-23-2007, 03:26 PM	#39
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Another thing to consider with WHOIS privacy, if you make a complaint then some registrars will release the data. Others will require a court order before they do this.

11-23-2007, 03:29 PM	#40
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	^^ Along the same lines, if every registrar could see the info, why would the appropriate authorities need to petition the registrar OF YOUR DOMAIN for that information?

11-23-2007, 03:29 PM	#41
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11-23-2007, 03:49 PM	#42
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	Smokey is the only one here who seems to understand what is going on. If your whois protection is live at the time of registration, you are fine. If not, there is a history and your real information is trackable, either through domaintools or anyone logging the database. However, this is again the whois database's Terms of Service but ICANN doesn't seem to have any interest in enforcing the rules.

11-23-2007, 03:50 PM	#43
riddler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: up in gang bang heaven Posts: 3,726	just how smokey said is a dumbed down version of how it works, there is not "filter" its simpley paying a company to use their info instead of yours, not some fuckin smoke screen..

11-23-2007, 04:14 PM	#44
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	What do you expect from a company when it's mandate is "To organize the world's information..."... sheech... seems like they are doing exactly what they've been telling people they want to do all along. No drama here.... move along ;) __________________ i like waffles

11-23-2007, 10:21 PM	#45
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	i have a feeling some of the other large registrars "cooperate" with google using the method i described above. but as far as them knowing every domain its impossible as i explained above. if i run a whois protection service for friends and they have only given me their info over the phone there is no possible way google could have that info unless google is tapping my phone. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com