Who think United 93 was shot down?

[iSMOKE]

If so, why do you think that? A LOT of people say it was, some claim to be eyewitnesses. Others claim those same people are a bunch of loser conspiracy theorists. What are your opinions? If you have something significant to say, post the source.

[tony286]

It could of happened.

[scottybuzz]

seriously this topic has been gone over about 400 times on gfy, just use the search feature or this will turn into another shit slanging thread.

its quite fucking obvious it was no shot down. game over, now fuck off to bed.

[Shagbunny]

not shot down, this has been discussed 1000s of times

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

seriously this topic has been gone over about 400 times on gfy, just use the search feature or this will turn into another shit slanging thread.

its quite fucking obvious it was no shot down. game over, now fuck off to bed.

Did you do any research? Not saying it wasnt shot down...but what makes it 'fucking obvious'? And this wouldnt turn into a shit-slanging thread if people would post educated responses.

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by Shagbunny

not shot down, this has been discussed 1000s of times

Sure it has been discussed 1000 times. But compare evidence of being shot down vs. evidence of being shot down. See what you come up with instead of just posting your opinion.

[MediaGuy]

Actually the fact that it was "gone over" on gfy settles nothing...

and neither does most of the data.

So far, the info does not point to a plane crashing in Shanksville.

Missile shoot-down information is not conclusive.

There's bullshit here

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Actually the fact that it was "gone over" on gfy settles nothing...

and neither does most of the data.

So far, the info does not point to a plane crashing in Shanksville.

Missile shoot-down information is not conclusive.

There's bullshit here

Thanks for the educated post rather than the usual bullshit talking "No it wasnt" "Yes it was!!"

And also, thanks again for the first comment...."The fact that it was 'gone over' on GFY settles nothing".

[MediaGuy]

Actually that wasn't an "educated pot" since i posted no sources...

but hey look at the nfo ...

[DBS.US]

You guys still think the Jordan Capri Honeymoon video really stolen

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Actually that wasn't an "educated pot" since i posted no sources...

but hey look at the nfo ...

Yup, the info speaks for itself. Here is a gr8 vid to check out. It's way too long for me but it starts to get good around 30min. LOL@ how many news stations said "There was what seemed to be loud explosion or serious of explosions and then the towers came crashing down". Look at the firefighters responses etc...

Now i know the WTC wasnt the topic of this thread, but...if there is even a slight "Chance" the towers were controlled demolition, what makes anyone think it's completely nuts that united 93 was shot down? I dont know how i feel about the WTC, but it seems like no one cares now and never will, so i usually dont even talk about it because i'm not educated on demolitions or anything at all that i could use to back up thinking they were brought down by us.

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

You guys still think the Jordan Capri Honeymoon video really stolen

Sorry, I'm not too sure what that is and I'm too lazy to google it...

[iSMOKE]

ooops...here is the link.


www.zeitgeistmovie.com

[spacedog]

Where's the EVIDENCE!

It's nothing but speculation.

I have another conclusion which I'll refrain from posting

[Kevsh]

Originally Posted by iSMOKE

Did you do any research? Not saying it wasnt shot down...but what makes it 'fucking obvious'? And this wouldnt turn into a shit-slanging thread if people would post educated responses.

This is GFY, what are you expecting an intellectual debate?
And yes, it's been discussed here far too many times and not one person changed anyone else's opinion.

I don't know what happened, you don't and neither does anyone else here.

It's over, let it go, no one cares anymore...

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by spacedog

Where's the EVIDENCE!

It's nothing but speculation.

I have another conclusion which I'll refrain from posting

Nah dude, post it...im interested in hearing.

[ronaldo]

I don't believe in the rest of the government conspiracy, HOWEVER, if the government IS covering something up imo, United 93 is the thing. I'm not saying they DID do it, but of all the likely government conspiracy theories about 9/11, this is the only one that holds any water...again imo.

If the government HAD shot down United 93, regardless of the events of the day, they would have a TON of questions to answer, lawsuits to settle and even MORE people questioning their actions than they do today. And look at all the questions they have to answer today.

I could be wrong here, but if I'm not mistaken, at the end of the movie United 93, there is a text scroll that says that the order WAS given to shoot down United 93, but the order came too late for the scrambled planes to get there. Anyone that saw that movie and takes it at face value saw what the US defense went through that day. The confusion alone was enough that the possibility exists that it was shot down.

And what better way for the government to portray the passengers on that flight than they have to this day. As heroes. If they didn't portray them that way, perhaps the families would have been a little more questioning of the authorities.

All of that is pure speculation, but as I said, while I DON'T believe the government had anything to do with the actual attack, I DO believe that this is POSSIBLE. Still unlikely, but possible nonetheless.

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

I don't believe in the rest of the government conspiracy, HOWEVER, if the government IS covering something up imo, United 93 is the thing. I'm not saying they DID do it, but of all the likely government conspiracy theories about 9/11, this is the only one that holds any water...again imo.

If the government HAD shot down United 93, regardless of the events of the day, they would have a TON of questions to answer, lawsuits to settle and even MORE people questioning their actions than they do today. And look at all the questions they have to answer today.

I could be wrong here, but if I'm not mistaken, at the end of the movie United 93, there is a text scroll that says that the order WAS given to shoot down United 93, but the order came too late for the scrambled planes to get there. Anyone that saw that movie and takes it at face value saw what the US defense went through that day. The confusion alone was enough that the possibility exists that it was shot down.

And what better way for the government to portray the passengers on that flight than they have to this day. As heroes. If they didn't portray them that way, perhaps the families would have been a little more questioning of the authorities.

All of that is pure speculation, but as I said, while I DON'T believe the government had anything to do with the actual attack, I DO believe that this is POSSIBLE. Still unlikely, but possible nonetheless.

Bump for a good post. And yea, i think portraying the passengers as heroes did help with keeping the families from asking questions...good point. There are a few witnesses, one including a woman who lives about 1 mile from where 93 hit. She claims to have seen an unmarked solid white plane flight right behind 93 before it crashed. She was basically told by the FBI that was not true and the plane was actually 3k feet up for some reason to "take pictures" Take pics 15 seconds after the crash?

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/flight_93.html

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

You guys still think the Jordan Capri Honeymoon video really stolen

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

I don't believe in the rest of the government conspiracy, HOWEVER, if the government IS covering something up imo, United 93 is the thing. I'm not saying they DID do it, but of all the likely government conspiracy theories about 9/11, this is the only one that holds any water...again imo.

If the government HAD shot down United 93, regardless of the events of the day, they would have a TON of questions to answer, lawsuits to settle and even MORE people questioning their actions than they do today. And look at all the questions they have to answer today.

I could be wrong here, but if I'm not mistaken, at the end of the movie United 93, there is a text scroll that says that the order WAS given to shoot down United 93, but the order came too late for the scrambled planes to get there. Anyone that saw that movie and takes it at face value saw what the US defense went through that day. The confusion alone was enough that the possibility exists that it was shot down.

And what better way for the government to portray the passengers on that flight than they have to this day. As heroes. If they didn't portray them that way, perhaps the families would have been a little more questioning of the authorities.

All of that is pure speculation, but as I said, while I DON'T believe the government had anything to do with the actual attack, I DO believe that this is POSSIBLE. Still unlikely, but possible nonetheless.

The scambled planes were not airborne til 70 minutes after the crashes

[CreatineGuy]

Originally Posted by iSMOKE

If so, why do you think that? A LOT of people say it was, some claim to be eyewitnesses. Others claim those same people are a bunch of loser conspiracy theorists. What are your opinions? If you have something significant to say, post the source.

no question about it.

It was shot down.

PERIOD.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by spacedog

The scambled planes were not airborne til 70 minutes after the crashes

Do you have a link to that somewhere? Everything I recall reading says they were airborne before they even hit the second tower.

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

Do you have a link to that somewhere? Everything I recall reading says they were airborne before they even hit the second tower.

forget where.. maybe it was 7 minutes.. too much shit to absorb in last 6 years on this subject

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by spacedog

The scambled planes were not airborne til 70 minutes after the crashes

These guys say otherwise and they think there WAS a coverup.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg

8:52 AM: Two F-15s take off from Otis Air Force Base. [Washington Post, 9/15/01] They go after Flight 175. Major General Paul Weaver, director of the Air National Guard, states "the pilots flew like a scalded ape, topping 500 mph but were unable to catch up to the airliner. We had a nine-minute window, and in excess of 100 miles to intercept 175,'' he said. ''There was just literally no way.'' [Dallas Morning News, 9/15/01] F-15's fly at up to 2.5 times the speed of sound [1875 mph or 30+ miles a minute or 270+ miles in nine minutes] and are designed for low-altitude, high-speed, precision attacks. [BBC]

8:56 AM: By this time, it is evident that Flight 77 is lost. The FAA, already in contact with the Pentagon about the two hijackings out of Boston, reportedly doesn?t notify NORAD of this until 9:24, 28 minutes later. [see 9:10 AM for comparison, New York Times, 10/16/01]

9:03 AM: Flight 175 crashes into the south WTC tower. [23 minutes after NORAD notified, 43 minutes after air traffic control lost contact with pilots][New York Times, 9/12/01, CNN, 9/12/01]

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by spacedog

The scambled planes were not airborne til 70 minutes after the crashes

Actually planes were 'scrambled' minutes after the first WTC was struck. Please post a source if you have something that can prove me wrong.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...40805095600503

Scroll down just a little and look for NORAD. Right after that it says:

The direct FAA notification of the military regarding the first plane twenty-three minutes after it was hijacked and only nine minutes before it struck the first World Trade Tower.

NORAD then scrambled one of only two sets of fighter planes on alert in the entire eastern third of the country, one in Massachusetts and one in Virginia but it didn't know where to send them; because the hijackers has turned off the plane's transponder so NORAD couldn't locate them on their radar and they still looking for it when it exploded into its target at 8:46AM.

That means they were in the air before the 2nd plane even hit...which means well before United 93 was shot.

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

Do you have a link to that somewhere? Everything I recall reading says they were airborne before they even hit the second tower.

[iSMOKE]

Originally Posted by CreatineGuy

no question about it.

It was shot down.

PERIOD.

[iSMOKE]

Bump-o-matic

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony404

It could of happened.

Yes, and I could have had sex with Jayne Mansfield.

[Pornwolf]

Nothing about the whole day makes any sense in retrospect. You can make all kinds of assumptions from the plane was shot down, it crashed because the passengers revolted, or even that there were no passengers at all on the plane.

There's facts that can support any of those scenarios.

Much like JFK we will never know the truth so speculation is futile.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by baddog

Yes, and I could have had sex with Jayne Mansfield.

C'mon man. You cannot say that it's not POSSIBLE United 93 was shot down...even by mistake. Unlikely perhaps, but NOT impossible. Forget the rest of the BS conspiracy crap. Just that one flight is a possibility.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

C'mon man. You cannot say that it's not POSSIBLE United 93 was shot down...even by mistake. Unlikely perhaps, but NOT impossible. Forget the rest of the BS conspiracy crap. Just that one flight is a possibility.

Of course it is possible, and it is possible that I could have had sex with Jayne Mansfield. Unlikely perhaps, but NOT impossible.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by baddog

Of course it is possible, and it is possible that I could have had sex with Jayne Mansfield. Unlikely perhaps, but NOT impossible.

Shit man. I always give you credit for being a lot smarter than that. It's not as impossible as you seem to think. This isn't a bash Bush or hidden political agenda thing here. Not with me anyways. I've read enough stuff on both sides to see that the possibility isn't that remote. The rest of the story they're trying to make up is just that...fiction. This, not so much.

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

Shit man. I always give you credit for being a lot smarter than that. It's not as impossible as you seem to think. This isn't a bash Bush or hidden political agenda thing here. Not with me anyways. I've read enough stuff on both sides to see that the possibility isn't that remote. The rest of the story they're trying to make up is just that...fiction. This, not so much.

And if 93 was shot down, then it makes the rest of the conspiracy theories more believable.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by spacedog

And if 93 was shot down, then it makes the rest of the conspiracy theories more believable.

How do you figure that? The US military is in defense mode. Assuming they KNOWINGLY shot it down, what does that prove? Wouldn't it be more likely they'd escort to it's actual target? If they ACCIDENTLY or MISTAKENLY shot it down, that's again easy to understand if YOU understand what the military went through that day. An attack like that had NEVER happened before, so confusion reigned. End of story.

But I'd still like to hear how you think if 93 was shot down the rest of the story all of a sudden becomes more believable. Because the government covered up that they covered up the rest? I've said it before and I'll say it again. The extent of the guilt as far as the US government is concerned is that they KNEW the possibility of attacks like these could take place and they weren't prepared. Toss around your theories all day, but try reading the OTHER side of the argument and come to your own conclusions. For everything I've read on one side, I've read something on the other side.

Contrary to popular opinion, just because Michael Moore says it's so, doesn't make it so.

[ronaldo]

Crap. Too late to edit.

If they DELIBERATELY shot it down btw, it MAY have saved hundreds or thousands of lives. While it still may not have been the right thing to do, it should at least be understandable.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by ronaldo

Shit man. I always give you credit for being a lot smarter than that. It's not as impossible as you seem to think. This isn't a bash Bush or hidden political agenda thing here. Not with me anyways. I've read enough stuff on both sides to see that the possibility isn't that remote. The rest of the story they're trying to make up is just that...fiction. This, not so much.

Personally, I thought they were going to shoot it down . . . but ended up not having to.

[baddog]

and why is it possible that 93 could have been shot down and that I couldn't have had sex with Jaynie?

She always liked it when I called her that.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by baddog

Personally, I thought they were going to shoot it down . . . but ended up not having to.

That's more what I'd expect. While I don't agree, I at least respect that answer.

Originally Posted by baddog

and why is it possible that 93 could have been shot down and that I couldn't have had sex with Jaynie?

She always liked it when I called her that.

If you hadn't used it in the context you did, I wouldn't have said anything. Sure it's possible. ANYTHING is possible. Noone would believe that I had a threeway with Sarah Michellle Gellar and Elizabeth Banks either. But I could care less. It was a GREAT fuckin' night.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Not shot down, and anyone who thinks it was.. is a fool.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Not shot down, and anyone who thinks it was.. is a fool.

Anyone who thinks it isn't a possibility is a fool.

[minusonebit]

Shot down.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by spacedog

forget where.. maybe it was 7 minutes.. too much shit to absorb in last 6 years on this subject

Like fucking always you show everybody what a dumb clown you are. Ive said it what, 20 times now? STFU!!! You have no clue about fucking anything. Like really totally fucking nothing. You dont know shit about shit. Yet every time you post here you try to act as if you do and every time you make a fool of yourself. Please man, just stfu.

[Kevsh]

"She claims to have seen an unmarked solid white plane flight right behind 93 before it crashed."

And there are thousands of UFO sightings in the States every year...

What you're doing is cherry picking to support your conspiracy theory. That's what conspiracy people do ... grab on like grim death to any tiny bit of hope that what they are trying to convince everyone is actually true.

So I ask you: What if 100 people swear they saw *no* plane following it? Would you quote them too? Nope ... just the one cross-eyed, alcoholic granny who in a drunken haze thought her knickers on the backyard line drying were a jet fighter following the plane.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Kevsh

"She claims to have seen an unmarked solid white plane flight right behind 93 before it crashed."

And there are thousands of UFO sightings in the States every year...

What you're doing is cherry picking to support your conspiracy theory. That's what conspiracy people do ... grab on like grim death to any tiny bit of hope that what they are trying to convince everyone is actually true.

So I ask you: What if 100 people swear they saw *no* plane following it? Would you quote them too? Nope ... just the one cross-eyed, alcoholic granny who in a drunken haze thought her knickers on the backyard line drying were a jet fighter following the plane.

Yeah, no shit.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by iSMOKE

If so, why do you think that? A LOT of people say it was, some claim to be eyewitnesses. Others claim those same people are a bunch of loser conspiracy theorists. What are your opinions? If you have something significant to say, post the source.

Youre such a fucking imbecile. Youre a dumb conspiracy nut just like tons of others here but at least they arent afraid to admit it. You already had your opionion about flight 93 but first you need 10 other people to say its shot down before you dare to say it. Pathetic loser.

Why do you need other people to share your imbecile opinion? Feel a little insecure maybe? Sad.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by baddog

Yes, and I could have had sex with Jayne Mansfield.

... you would have been a teen probably ... nice fantasy .

[baddog]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

... you would have been a teen probably ... nice fantasy .

Yes and yes, but my real fantasy included Jayne and Brigitte Bardot

[dav3]

Didn't Cheney or Rumsfeld say it was shot down in a press conference, after it happened? Then later, of course, change his story to fit the 'official' story?

[dav3]

Originally Posted by dav3

Didn't Cheney or Rumsfeld say it was shot down in a press conference, after it happened? Then later, of course, change his story to fit the 'official' story?

Oh yes, here it is.
Rumsfeld Says Plane Shot Down Over Pennsylvania