tube it up your ass

Well the truth is that once I was a surfer I always searched for the tgp's where I could very easily identify the "circle jerk" links from the "real links" and never got back to those who had too much shit instead of content.

Actually as far as I remember I liked fuckingfreemovies . com, p-bot . com - not that much video but well hand picked, updated and not too misleading.

Well studying a technical university with 10 "girls" (read female technical university students) out of 1 200 students in a year surely helps to get very knowledgeable about porn :)

Oh boy...

My slant :

Make a tube site and use your fine eye for content selection to keep the surfer on your site until they sign up.

I thought about it, contemplated it, juggled it, then I just did it.

Debating about tube sites is like spitting in the wind.
Been there, done that, did something about it...see sig!

If true user uploaded tube sites ever become completely "legal" then I can tell you that they will suck.
A tube site that is just us uploading our own content with link codes in it isn't really "user generated". And from hunting down and finding my own stolen content over and over and having it taken down, the one thing I discovered on the forums is that the "users" (surfers) are really into stealing content and getting a pat on the back from all the freeloaders for doing a "great job" at "finding" the porn.

No, tube sites will either be a bunch of stolen content OR they won't have a big audience because the "users" won't really have any content.

So do Tubes = TGP/MGP
I don't think so.

I think: TUBE = Karaoke
And just like Karaoke is people singing along pretending to be stars, Tube is...
Posers pretending to be porn kings by uploading others stuff and then congratulating themselves on the tube forums.
Of course it's way better than the script generated "automatic" bullshit TGP's. But no way it's better than a REAL human created and hand run TGP with a true relationship with it's audience.

Huh? You are insane. I have sold more memberships from my TGP's over the last 9 years than most of you put together! LESS people bought memberships? That is an urban legend my friend.

One of the truest post I have ever read on this site... :thumbsup

Over 400 legal tube sites and counting. :) I'v got 5 myself. :D

why only 5 and not 15?

BTW current Alexa stats

3 tube sites in top 100

RedTube.com 50
YouPorn.com 31
MegaRotic.com 21

Microsoft.com is 18 :arcadefre
anyone has any idea on the daily number of uniques these sites get?

Domain does not resolve :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Shush your mouth cum bitch :1orglaugh

I now have 7, but I would rather have good quality niche sites then 15 general hardcore tube sites. Go niche and your find the sale. Go general porn and you will see 1:5000.

BTW - All TEVS webmasters can now buy an extra license for only $120 each. Saving you $60 per license.

tubes should NEVER be like a TGP/MGP.

I don't really consider TEVS a tube script but would define it more as a badass replacement for TGPs.

The term "tube script" is getting tossed around like crazy simply because there isn't a proper term for the kind of site which TEVS but its not a real "tube"

cool well why I read another one of these threads my toob site made 400$ today. Thanks for telling me toob sites are the future polish guy.

DREAMHOST! LOL! :1orglaugh

People tend to forget it's the CONSUMERS that drive the trends, the programs simply respond to meet demand. You have to provide content to consumers in venues that they expect, or they will simply go to those that will. Drive-ins phased out and the evolutionary chain has developed and Imax and the like are king.. the same happens with the internet... people still demand their product, but in a delivery method THEY choose.

fyi consumers are attracted to it because its free full scenes.

Hit me up on ICQ if you need legal content and want to be an affiliate.

doesn't everyone have a tube site by now? we've got a legal tube site

i thought they were like assholes, everyone has one... no?

Sad to say but fucking the surfer, the people who pay us, goes way beyond TGPs and click jerking. This industry has fucked the paymaster for years. And that makes me sad. :(

Pop up hells because one sign up came. :(
Pre clicked join links on a join page. :(
Hiding the cancel button. :(
Selling a site for $30 that's not worth $3. :(

Simply put and there are exceptions, over and over we have fucked surfers and members because we had contempt for people who pay for porn and thought they had few options. All the while we saw conversion ratios slipping. But made excuses so we could carry on down the same route.

It's not just TGPs click jerking and Tube sites to blame for surfers reluctance to pay for Internet porn, it's partly our fault. Who here would buy from an industry that treated their customers so badly?

It rips me apart to have to say this, but after 8 years of trying to get people to see the surfer is the guy who really counts I failed. I wish I had tried harder. :(

Thanks for saying that. Sadly most people in this industry think otherwise. They think the consumer will take what ever they give them.

Thank God nobody saw you say this. Niche is always the key to any successful model? :2 cents:

If the deal will make money for both why not?

word bro... who knew I could sell www.AssSmoothie.com as my new top site?:1orglaugh

Hit me up if you want free legal content.

My non-tech friends know all about torrents, wasn't the case not long ago.

Sponsors however can take on the cost as they do with FHGs. Their bulk
transfers allow sponsors to cut cheaper bandwidth deals then most. The hub
(tube) site grows the audience, the affiliate targets it, the sponsor provides
the tools and cashes in, same as always.

If every video has a link to a sponsor that is matched to the video.......
If you include DVD upsells directly to that scene......
If your sponsor is paying you to promote the videos + watermarks.......

fistingcentral.com's (gay) promo content is the most hardcore I've ever seen
and gives it all away, anyone into that stuff would lose their load in 2
seconds flat. However it's got a *awesome* conversion ratio..... Not
everything is about content length or giving away "money shots". Tease does
help for some stuff tho of course, so sponsors need to cut their videos that
way.

Paysites do have to offer more then pics and vids tho in this day-and-age.

Yes the illegal sites will have pull, but the legal ones will catch up in market
share. One thing they can provide that illegal sites can't is a closer
relationship with sponsors, allowing for better content integration, updates,
and in future a more dynamic, co-brandable and sociable approach to what
we now look at as a "members section".

In the long run I see sponsors morphing into intelligent content repositories,
which can serve out content to affiliates based on their target audiences
needs. While paysite tours vanish and co-branded "sealed sections" of
affiliate sites become more possible. Smaller virtual markets, where broad
audiences were once sought. The sponsor handles billing, affiliate payment,
content provisioning, customer care. Freed from their paysites and the
limited audience they capture, sponsors can enjoy 1000 paysites hitting
different angles of the same content repository, rather then their 10 paysites
hitting the major cliches.

-Ben

thanks, but i've been shooting my own for years... you didn't know?

Great post Ben. :thumbsup

What this industry has to do is win back the surfers/members willingness to pay. Those who can't do it will close, those who can will stay afloat.

I'm thinking the more Tube sites the better for the industry, illegal or legal. Think along these lines. There is a limit to who they can advertise, dating, cams and pills. That's it, mainstream is not coming over and I think even gambling is not an option. There might be more but it's limited. So the more Tube sites relying on this limited number will effect the bottom line.

They will need paysites to promote to pay the bills or there will be a few of them and even that could have a detrimental effect on them.

Again what we need to do is find the level of quality, service and price where enough surfers will pay to keep us in business. What Tubes will do is smash the way we work.

Of course I know, but you need more than one style to make the appeal broader. :winkwink:

Amen brother.

FINALLY!!!!... someone who actually understand BUSINESS 1-0-FUCKING-1

Good thread :)

One of thread with will76 inside

Guess so

here comes my :2 cents:...

i think tube sites are pushing a lot of people out of the biz because they dont have the money to support the bandwidth bill. yes, that means that you now have to spend some money to make money... uh oh!

at the same time, from a surfer stand point, i can see them going to a tube site to watch clips instead of going to galleries and downloading 100's of 30 second clips. why? because they dont have to worry about deleting them and having mom and dad find the porn. instead, they just delete the history and move on

This has been known for almost a year and a half now.

See date of thread/post :thumbsup

I've to agree with you! I see many webmasters who like blind sheeps turn their sites into tube sites every day :(

My tube script (Tubecgi) and several other tube scripts build sites with 1000's
of videos and the only bandwidth is the thumbs.

So if someone quit adult because of bandwidth then they simply didn't know about all
the tools available.

ahhh the good ole days, never give em enough to get off on


spaz

but your tube site is pulling the videos from the sponsors server, your not hosting the videos.

ive seen a lot more of these scripts pop up, and i do think they are great, but i think a lot of sponsors will start to pull the plug on allowing a type of hot linking to videos

Not necessarily. We offer a solution for webmasters to push a tube site without the worries of bandwidth bills, overhead and development costs, and legal hassles. Through www.TubeClicks.com, you can promote 18 industry leading sponsors and over 800 paysites on our tube site www.Gutter.com.

All you have to do is fill in your ID's for the 18 3rd party sponsors working with us and you're pretty much set. Send your traffic to Gutter and keep 100% of any commissions you earn from our 18 sponsors :)