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WWC	11-23-2007 02:03 AM

over 50 9/11 bullshits :-)

spunkmaster

11-23-2007 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 13408976)

according to a Sept. 19, 2001 Wall Street Journal story - a joint venture in which the bin Laden family joined with the construction firm H.C. Price. A researcher named "Phoenix," writing for the Internet news site Rumor Mills News Agency located at www.rumormillnews.com, reported that Price subsequently changed its name to Bredero Shaw, Inc. and is now owned by a subsidiary of the Halliburton Corporation, Dresser Industries. It was Dresser industries that gave George H.W. Bush his first post war job in 1948. A check of the relevant corporate web sites has confirmed this.

Joe Kennedy made 500 million dealing with Hitler and the Germans in the 1920's and 1930's but this doesn't mean he was for burning Jews in Ovens and making Lampshades out of their skin !

Remember. the US never knew about what Hitler and the SS was doing until "AFTER" the war !

Makaveli

11-23-2007 05:46 AM

Check the date on his creepy speech and look in to to his eyes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

If that doesn't prove it to you non believers there is no hope for us.

CreatineGuy

11-23-2007 05:55 AM

I agree, They were blown up by USA military forces.

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=70000&rendTypeId=4

CDSmith

11-23-2007 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13408846)

I'm curious, because I don't know, but has any acredited and formally educated Engineer anywhere EVER said that it was IMPOSSIBLE for the towers to have fallen as the official story stands? Most often it's just laymen making that assertation as is the cleary the case here. :2 cents:

If they did they would certainly be putting their careers on the line (like this guy is), and rightly so. To openly spout off something like that one best have some unequivocal data to support it otherwise they'd just be supporting and furthering conpspiracy theories.

Scootermuze

11-23-2007 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biskoppen (Post 13409294)

Already been done... by "pull it" he meant for the firemen to leave the building, not for a team to blow it up...

"pull it" = get the fuck out of there

Not here to argue that point as it's another back & forth deal...

But I find it strange that he would use that term instead of a common term such as, 'evacuate'...

I've never heard the term, "pull it" used to mean evacuate..

mike-al

11-23-2007 07:35 AM

actually., next he will be stating the cia has hidden explosives in ALL skyskrapers to protect neighboring buildings in case of a potential collapse, the heat indicated to the bombs cpu controllers to implode and crush all below

directfiesta

11-23-2007 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biskoppen (Post 13409294)

Already been done... by "pull it" he meant for the firemen to leave the building, not for a team to blow it up...

"pull it" = get the fuck out of there

hummm... don't now, but pull OUT seems more appropriate ... but whatever spins ....

iSMOKE

11-23-2007 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13408821)

Could you tell us a little about your formal training in Engineering and maybe a little about your real life experience in a related field?

I wonder, are you more qualified than say Thomas W. Eagar, the Thomas Lord Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems, Massachusetts Institute of Technology?

So again, what makes you so qualified that you can say absolutely without a shadow of a doubt that those buildings were blown up? Why would we take your simple statement of "couldn't have happened" over in depth analysis that have been performed by actual Engineers? Please tell us how you concluded something was not possible when others seemingly way more qualified have come to a completely different conclusion?

I would have to say that they probably did not come to that conclusion. They were told what to say and they said it. Just like the eyewitnesses to united 93 getting shot down. People lived about a mile from the crash site and the ones who claim they saw it all have the same exact story. "I saw 2 planes flying low to the ground right behind it and the tail end of it was on fire and then all of a sudden, boom! I assume thats when the plane actually crashed into the ground." FBI has told them "No, that's not what happend...the plane(s) you saw were actually 3,000 feet up in the air taking pictures of the crash site."

directfiesta

11-23-2007 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunkmaster (Post 13409316)

Remember. the US never knew about what Hitler and the SS was doing until "AFTER" the war !

If you say it, it must be true ....

Quote:

U.S. Knew About Holocaust Sooner
By March 1942, German Plans To Eradicate Jews Detailed

A declassified U.S. intelligence document sheds new light on the longstanding question of how much the West knew about Hitler's plans for the Holocaust and when they knew it.

The translated copy of a November 1941 dispatch filed by a Chilean diplomat serving in Prague, tells of German plans to eradicate the Jews, the National Archives and Records
Administration said Monday.

"It has been decided to eradicate all the Jews and send some to Poland and others to the town of Terezin, whilst looking for a more remote place," Chilean consul Gonzalo Montt Rivas wrote to his government.

By late March 20, 1942, "a surreptitiously obtained" copy of the document appeared in the files of the United States Coordinator of Information, a predecessor to the Office of Strategic Services and CIA, archives officials.

The report was delivered to David Bruce, head of the Secret Intelligence Branch of the Coordinator of Information, and forwarded to an administrative assistant to William J. Donovan, who served as Coordinator of Information. There is no indication on the document whether other Americans may have seen it.

The document was part of a release of 400,000 pages of OSS records by the Interagency Working Group, a group that coordinates the government-wide effort to declassify federal records related to Nazi and Axis war crimes.

"Warnings from the allies to the Jews of Europe of a planned genocide never came," IWG public member Thomas H. Baer said. "The Nazi murders depended on secrecy and subterfuge. Warnings would not have stopped the Holocaust, but they could have saved lives."

During German occupation, Prague was no longer a capital of a country and most foreign diplomats had departed. But the Chilean consul was able to resume his post because of friendly relations between Nazi Germany and neutral Chile, archives officials said.

"His location and good connections provided a unique vantage point for discerning the Nazi agenda and actions in Nazi-occupied territories, a perspective not afforded to most Western diplomats," the archive's statement said.

Officials said the dispatch was prompted by a decree to be issued by Nazi Germany on November 25, 1941, announcing that Jews who had left Germany and were living abroad could not be German subjects and that all remaining assets of these Jews automatically were forfeited to the Reich.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in299399.shtml

Oh, BTW, it is not from the rumor mills ....

Same shit as saying G.W.Bush knew nothing about the Valerie Plame CIA outing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

iSMOKE

11-23-2007 07:46 AM

Here is a great but long video for you all to watch:

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

No controlled demolition??? Why did people working in the basement get crushed...why did some of them miraculously loose legs and arms? Explosion in the basement my friends....

Several firefighters and people on the streets ALL say they heard several explosions, again, SEVERAL explosions. I'm by far no expert, but no one to this day has explained the reason behind all those 'smaller' explosions busting out of windows that were 40 floors down from the where the planes actually hit.

iSMOKE

11-23-2007 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13409909)

hummm... don't now, but pull OUT seems more appropriate ... but whatever spins ....

:thumbsup

pornguy

11-23-2007 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13408821)

Funny thing is a lot of demolitions experts have been consulted and they say that it was done with set charges.

xmas13

11-23-2007 08:06 AM

The CIA is a terrorist organization. Period.

bronco67

11-23-2007 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13408894)

I watched 9/11 loose change awhile back, and have to say it had me scratching my head a bit. For a little while I was thinking what they were saying could possibly have some truth to it.

Then a couple months ago I watched a documentary on the history channel that had scientific experts discussing the 9/11 conspiracy theories, and they debunked every single one of them with ease.

If you live in or get your information in a vacuum, then your view is going to be lopsided. If you only read or watch things that already agree with your point of view, and assume that anyone who disagrees has been bought or is controlled by the government, then of course you're going to believe in conspiracy theories.

If you listen to both sides of the argument with an open mind, and apply logic and common sense, I think it's very unlikely you're going to come out on the side of the conspiracy theorists.

You summed it all up right here. These left wingers see what they want to see because of a hatred for a president. "I hate Bush", i.e, he must be an evil mastermind who killed 3,000 Americans.

This is the first time two skyscrapers were struck by jet aircraft that damaged and burned the structure enough to make them collapse. They believe they are experts on such events and know which way debris should fall and how fast metal and concrete should make it to the ground. They are the worst incarnation of a know-it-all assholes. That guy in the office who thinks he's an expert at everything and you always want to punch him in his fucking face.

Shagbunny

11-23-2007 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreatineGuy (Post 13408760)

I
BTW; there will be another big HIT in 2008 in usa. :winkwink:

GO OSAMA GO. :thumbsup

You're cheering/hoping for another 9/11?

bronco67

11-23-2007 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 13409953)

Funny thing is a lot of demolitions experts have been consulted and they say that it was done with set charges.

Really? Who?

So they're saying that this could have been rigged in downtown New York in a busy office center, when the largest controlled demo ever done is 6 times smaller than this job?

bronco67

11-23-2007 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iSMOKE (Post 13409936)

Wow, you're an idiot.

CreatineGuy

11-23-2007 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shagbunny (Post 13410032)

You're cheering/hoping for another 9/11?

Who doesn't? :pimp (outside the nazi empire)

Dollarmansteve

11-23-2007 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreatineGuy (Post 13408860)

Try to open your eyes and stop watching CNN or pro bush news and you will find a lot of educated ARCHITECTS saying that.

lol... oh man... omg architects?

wow architects are saying that? Dude, clearly that creatine has gone right to your brain. WTF does an architect know about physics and engineering?

Architects draw pictures dumb-ass, they say "Oh this looks pretty, mr. engineer can you build it for me"

Jesus christ don't open your mouth if you are just going to spew stupidity for fuck sakes.

P.S. Im sure the FBI would love to know about your "there will be more attacks in '08" statement... are you saying you have knowledge of this? because that's what it sounds like to me - idiot.

bushwacker

11-23-2007 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iSMOKE (Post 13409936)

yawn. :)

hershie

11-23-2007 08:58 AM

These conspiracy theorists are like the Borg. Each week a new assimilated drone appears saying "what about Building 7"...

Makaveli

11-23-2007 09:03 AM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iroOdvjOK8k
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7LPbXaZAKNI&feature=related
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VhiEAn6RCFA&feature=related

Makaveli

11-23-2007 09:07 AM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FWn8QNQWSsY&feature=related

hershie

11-23-2007 09:08 AM

It is impossible to argue with true believers.

I am pretty sure it was "Phoenix" on here who dismissed the entire Popular Mechanics report filled with dozens of respected experts because one of the reporters was a brother-in-law of someone in Cheney's office. And in this thread another simpleton sees conspiracy because Bush and Bin Laden family happen to be investors in the same company.

It's like banging your head against the wall.

bushwacker

11-23-2007 10:12 AM

[QUOTE=hershie;13410184]It is impossible to argue with true believers.

I am pretty sure it was "Phoenix" on here who dismissed the entire Popular Mechanics report filled with dozens of respected experts because one of the reporters was a brother-in-law of someone in Cheney's office. And in this thread another simpleton sees conspiracy because Bush and Bin Laden family happen to be investors in the same company.

It's like banging your head against the wall.[/QUOTE

quoted for truth!:thumbsup

EonBlue

11-23-2007 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreatineGuy (Post 13408760)

BTW; there will be another big HIT in 2008 in usa. :winkwink:

GO OSAMA GO. :thumbsup

Just curious - where do you live?

Mods - shouldn't this guy be banned for wishing death upon Americans?

WarChild

11-23-2007 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iSMOKE (Post 13409913)

SO Engineers from all over the world with no ties to the US goverment were simply told to say something and they all fell in line? Do you really believe that?

WarChild

11-23-2007 10:55 AM

So here were are at 2, almost 3 pages and still no names.

Can somebody please post just one name of one acredited expert that says the towers could NOT have fallen as described without explosives.

Note, they don't have to know exactly what did happen. I just want to see someone say the official story could NOT have happened.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

directfiesta

11-23-2007 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13410585)

Can somebody please post just one name of one acredited expert that says the towers could NOT have fallen as described without explosives.

No point to do that ... Whatever name brought in would be wipped off the table without any consideration ...
But if you feel like it, check out the 9-11 commission report ...

DISCLAIMER: I do not believe in these theories of the gov involved in the attacks.
I do believe that the gov was careless in preventing them, and was fast to use those attacks for their war agenda.

WarChild

11-23-2007 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 13410635)

Exactly.

I personally believe the towers fell as described from plane strikes and the resulting fires. I've read Engineers who are much more qualified that myself explain how it happened. In my mind there's very little question about this.

It wasn't a millitary plane, it wasn't a hologram either.

Now as to how much the gov knew, didn't know, was involved, wasn't involved, sat back and watched, paved the way for, ad naus. I just can't say.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there's certainly lots of questions surrounding 9/11. One of them is not what happened to the WTC, though. We pretty much got that one figured.

WarChild

11-23-2007 11:23 AM

By the way, guys, whoever told you the twin towers fell "straight down" after imploding like demolition charges was simply lying to you.

The tower floors fell straight down. There's no way they could fall any other direction in any scenario. The inertia of that much mass falling can ONLY fall straight down. It doesn't suddenly start to travel sideways.

The support beams from the outside, however, fell over, some of them traveling a good distance away from the falling buildings. One of these beams even hit WTC7, which you can clearly see on tape. It's what accounts for the "20 story hole" that firefighters both saw and reported that day.

Anyone who tells you the WTC7 was undamaged, is simply lying to you.

HighRoller

11-23-2007 11:34 AM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SMgGC9W-ks8

WarChild

11-23-2007 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighRoller (Post 13410724)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SMgGC9W-ks8

That shit's just stupid.

Snake Doctor

11-23-2007 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 13409015)

George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was the Managing Director of the investment bank Brown Brothers, Harriman from the 1920s through the 1940s. It was Brown Brothers, in conjunction with Averell Harriman, the Rockefeller family, Standard Oil, the DuPonts, the Morgans and the Fords who served as the principal funding arm in helping to finance Adolph Hitler's rise to power starting in 1923. This included direct funding for the SS and SA channeled through a variety of German firms. Prescott Bush, through associations with the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line, Nazi banker Fritz Thyssen (pronounced Tee-sen), Standard Oil of Germany, The German Steel Trust (founded by Dillon Read founder, Clarence Dillon), and I.G. Farben, used the Union Bank Corporation to funnel vast quantities of money to the Nazis and to manage their American interests. The profits from those investments came back to Bush allies on Wall Street. Thyssen is universally regarded as having been Hitler's private banker and ultimate owner of the Union Bank Corporation.

Ok so because Prescott Bush was directing an investment bank that financed projects in Germany before WWII started, and since Halliburton = Dick Cheney, and since Halliburton wants to make an oil pipeline in the middle east......

All of this ties together how again?

WTF does any of this have to do with the price of tea in China? (or 9/11)

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