Like said... utterly clueless. Sorry, instead of digging yourself deeper why not take the advice I offered and just shut down the mouth and keyboard for a while and actually read the replies of those who do have some semblance of a clue about this? No, I can see that's too much to ask in your case.

Go back and read posts 30 and 31 in this thread by YOU. YOU are the guy asking to see proof of this guy's talent or he won't be taken seriously. Jeez I cringe when newbs like you say stupid shit like that. If you just wanted to see his work you wouldn't have revealed yourself AS a piece of shit in the first place. (btw I never identified you a piece of shit, you did)

As for my "call him what you will.." you are of course misreading it, and I'm thinking it's again because you simply have your head up your ass here for some reason I'm not seeing. It's a turn of phrase obviously meant for the masses... "call him what you will" wasn't pointed directly at you, many people call Amp all sorts of names due to his odd posting style... yet another thing that is widely known among non-newbs.

One last attempt to reallign you: had you simply said "I don't think I've seen his work yet, can someone post a few links to some of his stuff?" no one would have said a thing about it. You instead come from the goofy angle that he somehow has to prove himself or won't be taken seriously.

One last time, will you now go seek the clue you desperately need? I'm asking nicely here.

I would like to see some examples amp....ur getting alot of props

CD Smith .... I haven't dug myself a hole. I didn't say anything bad to AMP.

You misinterpreted MY Post obviously. I don't like you saying that shit because some people may think you mean that I said it. Because not everyone reads the whole thread. THAT is what I meant.

You can slag me off all you like ... but I know I'm doing a good job ... and so do my clients. Is that not enough? Amp's obviously got his fans ... but so does every designer here.

What I meant was, he has inspired many, many people to get into the design game. Same as Michael Jordan inspired people to play basketball. Same as George Bush inspires hatred. Same thing.

As for your lots of people wanting to see his designs, it's because we all know who he is. It's like asking Mercedes to see their latest concept car designs. We all know who Mercedes is, and we all know what a car looks like, but we still beg for them to post designs of their concept cars.

As for you calling him a drug addict. I've met him. He is a drug addict. He's also an asshole, and on occasion has been known to destroy large kitchen appliances, but so what. He still out designs everyone I know.

I just thought I would try to help clarify things a little.

Oh and as for you never saying anything nasty about AMP, don't worry... you will. We all do.

Like I said, you probably surfed around the net and saw a lot of the work of other designers, both before you became one yourself and since. I'll bet the farm that some or a lot of that work that impressed you was Amp's.

A little history: I was already here when Amp joined the board. Once I found out he was a "designer" I thought huh... how good can he be? I discovered the answer to that when he came up with the idea for a GFY design contest, got Lens & co. on board with it and then entered it himself along with several dozen other designers. Once I saw his entries I was sold. His stuff is tight, and you've got other solid known designers right here in this thread acknowledging his work right here in this thread. Guys like AlienQ and headless, Redshoe, etc. I realize they too make offbeat posts that tend to piss a lot of people off but their work speaks for itself as well... what, their endorsement of Amp's work isn't enough for you? :D


I'm not saying you are clueless about everything, I'm saying you obviously don't have a clue about this... that's all. Don't let it ruffle your undies so much.

CD Smith ... the work I just saw on his site. Is not bad.

I'll wait for his new stuff to make any real judgements. That stuff is obviously quite out of date by what he says.

For clarity, twisted illustrations never called amp a drug addict or any other name (at least not in this thread). If you got that from my post I apologize for that, it was meant in regard to what a lot of people on this board post about him, not directed at anyone in particular.

The rest of your post is of course spot on. You sexy beast. :D

Amp your shit is avg to good , there are handful of designers and teams that blow your "skills" to bits

lol

Not bad. I'll take that as your dick grew a few inches.

eh?

Sorry man. It's how I see it. Did I say it was bad? No. I don't understand why my dick would grow a few inches...

Look ... he's obviously your favorite designer... and ... well... that's awesome :) I'm pretty damn happy for you because to find a designer you trust and like work wise, is excellent. And essential in this biz. So don't get me wrong. I'm genuinely and seriously glad.

But everyone has a style. Personally his style, in the samples on his current site... well, they're technically sound. And that's good. But they don't do much for me. It's personal taste... not a judgement on his skill.

Don't take what I say and respond with an insult every time dude ... you need to chill out .... every designer takes the good with the bad. What I said was far from bad!

:)

This IS a fucking PR! Hey Amp, i can see GFY of old times now :)

Twisted, man, relax, you'll get it with time, LC, AMP, Juicy ... GFY woudnt be it without men who boil the shit :) Untill then get your arse together, I luv ya work :)

Did you read my last two posts? I'm calm as a friggin cucumber :)

I don't need to relax any more ... I'll fall off my chair :D

Btw ... I love some of AdultMix designs too ... they're nice and clean and have a quite fresh feel about them. Some of em. Didn't look at them all :) lol

i just meant dont take his shit serious. Its just the way he is. When it gets quiet the guy starts fucking around and imagine what? ya gets our attention.

Yeah man ... and I totally get it .... he's shooting his mouth off ... but ... that's his thing. Same way Boy Alley is a big character here ... and Juicy ... I totally understand it. It's good publicity! :) hehe.

Jeezus you are bound and determined to misunderstand everything I type.

I give up.


Never said he was my favorite designer. Fact is *I* am my favorite designer. But I have knowledge enough to know that Amp is very good at what he does. I can admit that, knowing what I know and having seen what I've seen.

YOU are the one that needs to "chill out"... put your fucking ego away for a moment and quit coming from the position that long-established designers (something that you are not) have something to prove to you before they will be taken seriously. In one of your other posts above you say YOU need to see more of his work before YOU will "judge"... give me a break.


Why can you not just shut up and learn? That's the part I don't get. You sounded reasonable there for a minute, now it's back to barking back at me. Put the attitude and the ego aside man, it's in your best interest. Really.

And if you're going to challenge someone on this board you best be prepared to be challenged yourself. I advise you to thicken up that skin.

the art is to not get banned, LOL

Where in that post you just quoted of mine did I bark at you?

I was 100% reasonable. I said nothing that warranted this reply from you.

There wasn't an ounce of attitude OR ego in my post. You just literally made that shit up.

Btw, I have not insulted you at all. I am pointing out cluelessness and newbishness on your part, but no insult was given. I've looked at some of your work as well and it's obvious you have talent. It seems though that having talent does not automatically mean one has the sense to show proper respect for the proven talent of others.

Cheers. Enjoy your time.


I just got so calm I fell off my chair...



:D

I hope you are calm as a friggin cucumber!!! :winkwink:

Wait a sec ... CDSmith, you are saying that you haven't insulted me ... but by saying the stuff you have said ... when you've said I had attitude and ego, and by saying I haven't got respect for other designers ... when I CLEARLY stated that I DO and I never said a bad word about Amp ... shows that you ARE insulting me.

This was an argument that you had NO reason to start. You told me I was barking at you ... when I clearly was not.

By the way ... PLENTY of times I have been told that someone doesn't like my work or ... that it's not to their taste. So don't tell me that I need to thicken up my skin for it ... it's nothing new to me. You must realise that I'm far from a noob (I hate that word, it's so stupid)... I might not have been around for as long as you, but we've got a LOT of clients and have done a lot of work. The Twisted Illustration name is pretty established now. I do expect people to say they don't like my style etc ... that's the nature of artwork in general. I don't mind at all.

But let me just reiterate ... one final time...

I said nothing bad about Amp ... not once.

I thought that was funny too, but it was only because I thought the quote was "As calm as a Hindu Cow" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't know... I just opened the fridge and those cucumbers looked pretty uppity to me.

:pimp

Twisted, if you don't want to be treated like a newb, I suggest you stop acting like one.

And before you again yap yap yap back at me, go re-read posts 30 and 31 by you.

And learn.

Post 30 : Simply stated that he'd not be taken seriously if he didn't show samples. And you know what ...? A lot of people here don't know who he is. So that statement still stands for many of the people here.

Post 31: Stated that if he was any good, I'd say so. But his theory that a designer should be using loads of apps, was not a good one. My reasoning behind this is because as an artist, you're supposed to work with the tools you need ... not the tools you think will make you sound better.

Sorry, but neither one of those posts was in any way, shape or form, having a go or saying anything bad about anyone.

You need to go and re-read them.

You're the only one yapping like a little bitch. Now, all this talk of learning ... not sure why you keep mentioning this... you seem like a pretty incompetent teacher :)

Translation: "I refuse to learn the error of my ways nor do I acknowlegde having made said error even when I speak out like a complete fucking newb instead of keeping my mouth shut and asking without ego to see the work of other more established designers."


Enough yapping, bitch. :D

No hard feelings on my end. How about you?

I'm afraid what you're saying makes no sense and is in fact just a way of you trying to make yourself 'appear' to look like you know what you're talking about. Your translation is simply a bully tactic which isn't working ... since you're resorting to lying and talking shit.

You know what my posts meant ... and you know that you're no longer in this argument.

No... I don't have any hard feelings ... this is the internet. Full of people sat behind keyboards talking shit they'd probably not have the balls to say in real life :)

Btw ... out of curiosity ... anywhere I can see your work? And btw, I'm being serious. Not to slag your stuff off. I just wanna see it. I do have a respect for anyone who designs.

Btw ... I need to add this post as a seperate one ...

I do think Amp's older work is good. Just not to my taste style wise :)

I wouldn't say AMP is the best either. It's all subjective.

link or STFU

this is the gayest thread of all time.

Who doesn't like a good argument?! This thread should be a fucking sticky! :D

It's awesome :)

That, his cost and amazing turnaround time and reliablity is why Andrew get's my business.

I'm not really seeing that from you in this thread. Sorry.

My opinion is he is one of the best. Only those fooling themselves would ignore the fact that there are several top level designers out there.

Designed by me in 1998 no less. Could you pick something older? :D

CDSmith my friend you are trippin balls.

talk about geocities style

Seriously who the fuck cares about AMP???? He is just gonna go and smoke up, blow off a deal and do shit all again, why do any of you care?

He's the "designer", telling another designer that he's clueless :1orglaugh

I'd like to see some samples myself, I'm always looking for designers

I thought you stopped being clueless last year? Nowhere in this thread did I say anything about me being in league with the designers in this thread. I did say that I do design, mostly for my own sites and that of a few clients I've had over the years. This is in now way about my design skills, idiot. It's about someone newbishly saying that Amp needs to prove himself to someone who obviously hasn't been around all that long.

Is getting your head out of your ass really so much to ask? :D

In 1998 it was the shit. :D

whoa, love/hate still goes on, ladies? Candyflip, thank you on a good word.

Maybe he was showing that he's somewhat of a newb to the industry. I don't think he's ever denied that. I just thought your holier than thou attitude was pretty funny. See now you've transferred it from him to me.

AMP came here claiming to be the shit and there are quite a few people and firms that are doing much better work than anything AMP has shown off. The stuff we're able to see is great, but dated. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk. AMP is doing a lot of talking, he's done a lot of walking in the past...but that remains to be seen as of NOW.

Again, I just thought it was funny that you were arguing with someone who basically stated his opinion. Even brought up that you "design". I just wanted Twisted to see the what kind of skills you were bringing to the table. I was pretty sure he wasn't going to get any sort of reply from you with links.

No, actually it is you who are attempting to shift the topic from his newbish comments and defense thereof over to me for some rather odd and stupid reason. I never came in here claiming anything about myself yet there you are posting like a twit who can't read.

Like others have said, post links or "stfu". (Others said it, not I, but I agree with it)

That I can agree with. From you, someone who has actually SEEN some of his work and knows (or should know since you've been around a while) the history.

Well, for one thing it wasn't up to you to post my links was it? You are just being a cocky shit doing that, but I can overlook it. I did provide him with a few links of newer stuff I've done, as in stuff from this century. :D

For another, if you think the discussion he and I have been having is about an opinion then your reading comprehension needs a tuneup. I would think that even if you dislike Amp you would at least have the sense to recognize when someone newer is showing their newness.

If I really wanted to make this about you I would have brought up a whole other can of worms that I'm sure you'd rather I not. So I won't. Thus this is not about you. Unless of course you want it to be. I'm thinking not, so let's leave it at that shall we?

Good, I see we are in agreement. :D

That's the best you can do? I point out how you came and are coming across and you threaten me with dragging up some old bullshit. Come on man. Are you really that socially retarded? Grow up already, your know-it-all-ness is getting tired. Amp didn't need you to come to his rescue.

Let me see some of your old work...anything, show it off

Was I threatening you? No. I was giving you an easy out. I come across like someone who is pointing out someone's newbishness, nothing more.

You know candyrip, I haven't gotten in your face or on your case at all in the past year or more. I'm not sure why you now feel the need to come into a thread and cock off at me.

Fact is I have little use for you, and barely take notice of you most times.

Would be nice if we could just leave it as that, no? :D