ok, here is her reply today. and fyi my friend that signed up to ifriends has never had anything to do with ifriends, never signed up before.. ever. he does live overseas and i've heard a lot of people in my chat room that live over seas say they had issues signing up and their card came back as invalid.

i'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this reply..




On Nov 29, 2007 4:06 PM, Stacy <[email protected]> wrote:

Dear Karen:

I've been researching this all afternoon. It appears that the e-mail in question is a stand-alone, quick test e-mailing sent to a very, very small number of individuals and has been in place for just over a week. The objective of the e-mail was to attempt to convert sign-ups previously turned away due to the factors I described in my previous e-mail (which I see was posted on GFY) and other factors which made their sign-up flag as ?Invalid? with iFriends. The vast majority of "invalid" messages, however, are generated due to a previous encounter with the customer on the iFriends platform. As you know from your participation in ClickCash these would not have counted as qualifying sign-ups, since they were previously introduced to iFriends.

The ClickCash tracking link was used to determine how many clicks were generated by this campaign and not to ?skim? any commissions that were due to affiliates like yourself. The iFriends billing department is currently in the process of attempting to reduce the number of "invalid" messages received by potential iFriends customers and, in doing so, increase the number of potential qualifying customers you could generate through your ClickCash links; this two week e-mail campaign was part of this process.

By using a ClickCash tracking account, they have been able to identify those returning individuals whose sign-ups qualify as, well, qualifying accounts. Their intent from the beginning was to associate the sign-up to the affiliate responsible for generating the original click-through and compensate them for the sign-up. This tracking account generated 26 sign-ups in the week-ish it was utilized; as you can see, it was a very limited test. Additionally, we were to perform this attribution accounting once the campaign concluded, which we?ll go ahead and wrap up now; the resulting bounties will hit the respective affiliate accounts prior to week?s-end. Also, as part of this campaign, they are looking for more effective ways to not only reach out and contact these invalid account attempts, but also more effective ways to internally track converted-invalids; this dialogs has placed a little more pressure on them to find a solution that causes less concern. That said, ClickCash doesn?t skim from their affiliates, in fact, as in this case, we?re trying to recapture lost conversions, an effort that benefits all concerned.

Should you or any other affiliate have any questions or concerns related to this brief email campaign, please do not hesitate to contact me directly at [email protected].

-Stacy Michelle
Director, ClickCash Support
[email protected]

does this make sense to you guys?

Nope Nope Nope!!!

I hate to laugh..but goddamn Stacy can spin some fucking shit.



Dont expect much help from them and you wont be dissapointed.

they are probably not rejecting them but they are still getting the credit when it happens so it still blows and I would be pissed too

that's fucked up...

i heard about moocash they are real honest (im not too lucky with them).. also i know many guys that get dumped by imlive, thats why right now i still think to put or not imlive and pussycash on my new site project.
about 14 days cookie, i really like when i get 400$ in one day :). And i think they are honest, thats what is really matters for me.

I wish you good luck with clickcash / ifriends matter..

Does it make sense to the people of GFY ? is that a rhetoric question? Obviously the explanation doesn't sit well with you, what do you think random people on GFY who very likely don't use or don't like clickcash is going to say?

First of all you were trying to contact the wrong email address which is why it took so long for them to contact you back. Its a big company, it would be like sending an email to adult.com when you were trying to get in touch with a GFY admin. Sure its owned by the same people but unless you email the correct person then you really have no one to blame for the delay getting back to you except yourself.

Stacy replied to your email, with a long explanation of what happened. She said it was a test, that your account would still be credited with any sales that you missed from it. They are trying to work on ways to help convert people who were orginally denied their first shot signing up. Take it or leave it. If you don't believe it and you think they are trying to pull shit on you after how ever many years you been using them then don't promote them anymore.

I believe the explanation. I've been using clickcash for 7 years and never had a problem. Actually about 4 years ago stacy emailed me and said there was an isolated problem that had affected a few accounts, that they were crediting my next check with 30 signups. At the time it was about $1,000. I had no clue there was a problem, it wasn't a big enough amount for me to really notice a drop off in my stats. Prior to that I did not contact them about this, i did not ask them if they were having problems. I had no clue, they contacted me and said, sorry there was a problem, we fixed it and we owe you money. That doesn't sound like something a dishonest company would do. Hell, i bet 9 out of 10 sponsors here wouldn't have said anything if the affiliate hadn't noticed.

Why they get such a bad rap around here? because they don't post on public forums. They never have and they never will. I guess they decided to use their time more productivly on their program and not on sig whoring or fighting with idiots all day. Since they don't come to defend themselves like all other sponsors, that makes it open season on them. People can say whatever they want and there is no one to contest it or give you " the other side of the story". They also terminate accounts when people do shit they shouldn't be and that has gotten them a nice following of haters. You don't see ifriends on zango, you don't see them on torrent sites, like a lot of other sponsors here. But those other sponsors are cool because they have contest and give things away, they throw parties and buy people drinks. They have their bros come stick up for them. I guess most people seem to trust the sponsors who give away the most shit, even if they openly steal the most too.

So, I don't think asking the opionion of GFY is going to really help your situation, unless you really aren't looking for help, but instead looking to bash and cause shit. Its pretty simple, they answered your questions you need to decide if it was good enough for you or not.

You are so full of shit its not even close to being believable but i imagine some people dumb enough on here wont know better. There is NO WAY in hell that they closed out your clickcash account because you asked for a refund on your ifriends account. For 1 they woundn't put the 2 together unless you told them the account name. If you did there is no way they would terminate your account for something like that. Like i said in the previous post i would bet my life there is another side to this story, but we wont hear it.


BTW, you don't make $4.00 off of people several referrals down the line from you. You make 10% off the people who you refer. If the person you refer makes $100 you make $10.

You refer Mike, Mike refers John. John makes $1000 so Mike makes $100 because of John. Assuming Mike has made no sales of his own he maked $100 you referred Mike so you make 10% of what he makes, so you would make $10.
So you if you want to look it at level by level, you make 10% your first level, 1% your second level, .01% your third level etc.. $4.00, $.40, $.04

Another way that you can get screwed by your downline is when they make a new account and refer themselves. Now they make the true 10% and you are 2 people removed and you start making 1% instead of the 10%.

I guess you miss understood this and it is easier to accuse them of scamming you.

One thing I find interesting about the email aside from Stacy being a spin artist.

Apparently Stacy and ifriends does monitor GFY as well as possibly other boards. Guess they lurk.

thats is a silly assumption, you don't think someone here could have contacted them and pointed the thread out to them ?

for one, the orginal poster herself said she had made a post here in her email to them.

iFriends was always a scam. This way they made millions.

go back and reread the first email. :2 cents:

Hey dipshit, we were sending hundreds of signups per day, and at the time making up to $68 per signup, 10% of that is $6.80 you fucking troll...

You are really making a name for yourself. You been promoting them for how long now and don't even realize the plateau payouts???

You think I would close an account of some 10% of 5000 joins per month, from upsellers per month, Plus the 10 a day I was sending, over a mysterious $50 charge? No, they seen it as a out for all that cash they was sending me without checking out who we were affiliated with.

And when we closed down the other programs, you best believe they contacted us back.. and we said no Spankyou.
Best decision we ever made, we got of the scenario where assholes control our lives.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Ok Will, I really hope you were being funny there ... if you're serious, you obviously have extraordinarily low expectations for a sponsor! Tell me, in the last, say, 4 years exactly how many updates have they made to their affiliate area? How many banners or other tools have they added? Have they even changed one line of code in it?

How about site features?
While PussyCash is getting celebrities, adding contests, upgrading their chat software, AWE is adding new sites and a huge list of tools, others are getting XML feeds and so on and so on... ifriends (the site) and ClickCash (the program) both look about the same as they did when I first saw them (4+ years ago).

I know, you're old school and believe webmasters should make things themselves, that's fine .. but YOU are the one saying they are spending more time on their program. I'm just curious, doing exactly what?
:helpme

wow........ that's fucked

wow ifriends has tiered levels ? really i didn't know that :upsidedow I thought it was more likely that you weren't getting out of the $40 per signup range dumb ass, which is why I used $4 in my EXAMPLE.

BTW, you are caught in a lie once again. There is NO way they were averaging $68 a signup "back then". How many years ago was "back then"??

Clickcash has raised their payout levels every couple years. Where it is at right now if 1 person under you made 1,000 signups a week, they would still only average $60 a signup. You are so full of fucking shit with $68. Thats assuming all of your down line sales came from one person too.

So your story is that YOU were sending clickcash like 10 signups a day and you made an ifriends account, and some mysterious charges appeared on your ifriends account so you called up ifriends and nicely explained you didn't do it, that it was fraud and to please remove the charge. And because of this they shut down your clickcash account and lost your 3,500+ sales a year you were sending? If they would have wanted to cut you loose, i don't think they would have used a phone call to ifriends to do it :2 cents:. You sure there isn't more to the story :winkwink:

you are 100&#37; wrong on ifriends. Ifriends lead the way with several features that most cam sites are just getting around to copying now.

you right i guess all their employees sit around their office and play patty cake all day. Even if they did it would be more productive then fighting with trools here. Their affiliate area isn't ground breaking compared to t he tools some others offer, but they have had new things come out in the last couple years, new sites like sizzlingcams, totallyfreecams, etc... I would rather someone make sure my check went out on time if nothing else instead of them posting here.

do you have a follow up for us? Did things get worked out? are you still going to promote then? Do you think they cheated you ?????



please make sure to come back and let us know, don't leave us hanging.

Here is an email i just got back from Stacy:

Will:

Thanks for letting me know about the GFY discussion. I've already been in contact with the affiliate who started the thread, and according to our subsequent correspondence, I believe the situation has been explained to their satisfaction.

I'll sum up what's basically been going on for you, though. An e-mail was received from iFriends that was part of an iFriends promotion separate from ClickCash. This was a campaign to attempt to remarket iFriends to customers who had previously been denied their iFriends sign-up for some reason (those "invalid" sign-ups that happen from time to time). A ClickCash tracking code was used in the e-mail to determine how many clicks were generated from the e-mails, and also to track the sign-ups that resulted from the promotion. Since this was all operated outside of ClickCash, there was no way for the iFriends folks to identify the referring affiliate from the click, so they tracked it through another ClickCash account to make sure the sign-up was counted. The intent was, at the end of the brief trial, to credit any affiliate who originally generated the click-through with the sign-up that resulted from the e-mail.

There were a total of 26 sign-ups generated through this brief effort. I've gone through all the IP logs personally to cross-check the sign-ups against ClickCash click-through logs-- not an easy task I assure you!! -- as well as had our dev team double-check the research to make sure we didn't miss any. Those sign-ups that tracked back to ClickCash affiliates have been credited to their accounts, including one sign-up on your account. That's a sign-up that you wouldn't have received commission on if iFriends hadn't contacted the customer to remarket the program, since the user was originally turned away at their initial sign-up. (FYI - this sign-up won't appear in your real-time stats, but will be included in your next check, and you'll see the bonus on your check detail.)

If you have any further questions or concerns about this issue, or anything else, just let me know. My e-mail is always open! :)

-Stacy