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Old 09-23-2002, 07:36 AM   #51
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Exactly. Kierkegaard says it best, you can not rationalize your way into a belief of God. You believe or you do not. You have faith or you do not.
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Old 09-23-2002, 07:39 AM   #52
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"science" is improved by science MANY times, you mean!
...and #5 makes no sense here. I.E. Priests have sexually abuse little boys. There are 'bad' sides to both side of this discussion.
I mean what I said.. "Science" disproves sience from time to time.
What I say is - proving/disproving god with the so raw and inaccurate tool of science it a little dumb.

About priests doing wrong or any religion for that matter.. I never said religion is a good thing! on the contrary.
BUT as mentioned already here there is a difference between GOD and RELIGION. We are talking about GOD not the religions revolving god/s.
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Old 09-23-2002, 07:49 AM   #53
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I mean what I said.. "Science" disproves sience from time to time.
What I say is - proving/disproving god with the so raw and inaccurate tool of science it a little dumb.
Science is an accurate tool because it is self-correcting. Meaning, when it "disproves" old hypothesis, it is actually getting more accurate. You clearly know nothing about the scientific method.
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Old 09-23-2002, 07:51 AM   #54
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Exactly. Kierkegaard says it best, you can not rationalize your way into a belief of God. You believe or you do not. You have faith or you do not.
I agree as well.
Most people are born into a religious belief. Some are lost into it.
A minority lives with it and very few shape it.
And then there are the disbilivers who "believe" god do not exists. Funny they(we) call themselves "atheistic" because after all the believe in the non-existant of god - sometimes as hard as a religion believer do. Some goes as fas as trying to use science to prove their disbilif.
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Old 09-23-2002, 09:45 AM   #55
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A Catholic friend I know says he believes in "the promise". I think that sums it up.


Of course, you could always go with the George Carlin rule of religion..

"I Believe in Joe Pesci, I can see him and he gets shit done. Sometimes when I pray to Joe he doesn't do everything I ask. I get about 50/50 of what I ask for, about the same as people that pray to God."

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Old 09-23-2002, 09:50 AM   #56
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Everytime I get into a conversation about God with somebody debating Gods existence, their only defense agaisnt my concrete solid evidence that point away from things that the bible says, is your going to burn in hell for thinking that way.
All of science point away from God, if there is a God he sure in the hell isnt doing anything except for putting people in hell for not believing in him. I believe the bible is nothing more then a collection of stories that was used as a tool to teach primative society basic morals and its still used today, none of that shit happened, am I wrong?
there is NO concrete proof that there is no God. There is concrete proof that the bible is full of errors, contradictions and impossibilities.

all cultures and societies from the dawn of civilization have believed in some form of religion which usually includes an afterlife.

i have always believed that religion serves two primary purposes

1) to console those who cannot accept the finality of death, their own mortality or that of their loved ones
2) to provide conveinent and easy answers to unanswerable questions.
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Old 09-23-2002, 10:07 AM   #57
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Science is an accurate tool because it is self-correcting.
Exactly my point.

And to say science is inaccurate... what is more accurate than science? Not blind faith and fairy tales told to you by your grandparents.

I have seen Saturn's rings with my own eyes (& binoculars)... the shit science tells us is real and improved as science itself becomes more accurate. Einstein did not prove Newton was wrong, Newton was always right within the accuracy science had at the time.
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