Girls With Braces?

[Mutt]

Somebody posted the other day looking for models with braces content.

There are many people who think we push the envelope marketing teen sites with girls holding teddy bears etc playing into not fantasies of fucking an 18 year old teen but obviously with the teddy bears and sets with big crayons in the background, fucking girls much younger than 18, illegal.
No it's not illegal right now to market the fantasy of what really is pedophilia. The latest court judgements have said if you can prove the model is of legal age you can do whatever you want with her.

Does anybody have moral problems with dealing in that kind of 'teen' content?

As for the braces thing, which i've been debating with myself since yesterday, i'm not sure. The braces thing is now becoming 'mouth jewelry', there are many 20 and 30 year old girls, hell even Tom Cruise at 40 is wearing braces.
There is something sexy about a cute girl/woman in braces, but it probably does have something to with the allure of underage girls.

Here is a model that I contacted yesterday after I saw the post on GFY about braces.

<a href=http://www.wantongirls.com/kylie.jpg><img src=http://www.wantongirls.com/kylie_thumb.jpg border=0></a>
&nbsp;<a href=http://www.wantongirls.com/kylie2.jpg><img src=http://www.wantongirls.com/kylie2_thumb.jpg border=0></a>

She's some kind of cute. So if braces are aces in your book let me know and I'll shoot her for ya.

[tree]

your a ped

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Mutt

No it's not illegal right now to market the fantasy of what really is pedophilia.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Mutt

No it's not illegal right now to market the fantasy of what really is pedophilia.

read it again.

[Mutt]

no. it would be YOU'RE a ped if i was ........ and you weren't an illiterate.

this girl isn't anywhere near underage, and in this case, there's absolutely NOTHING to suggest she is anything but a great looking hardbody whose parents probably didn't have the money to get her braces as a kid and now she's got them with her own money.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Mutt
no. it would be YOU'RE a ped if i was ........ and you weren't an illiterate.

this girl isn't anywhere near underage, and in this case, there's absolutely NOTHING to suggest she is anything but a great looking hardbody whose parents probably didn't have the money to get her braces as a kid and now she's got them with her own money.

You said it yourself.

"A fantasy that really is pedophilia."

You said it not us.

Originally posted by Mutt

No it's not illegal right now to market the fantasy of what really is pedophilia.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Mutt
but it probably does have something to with the allure of underage girls.

And you reconfirm it by backing it up with this.

You dig your own grave.

[Mutt]

Fletch? What decision are you referring to?

Please post the section of the judgement where the Supreme Court or the appelate courts dealt with digital child pornography.

The part of the law which made illegal digital content showing models of legal age 'appearing' to be younger was struck down.

For awhile there all the content with legal age models posing in anything from schoolgirls outfits to posing with a teddy bear in a bedroom decorated for a child was at risk for prosecution.

The latest judgements I have read struck down those gray areas of the law.

The new tact the government is taking is to go harder at real pedophilia and to let the 'artists' do what they want.

If you have better information you should post it.

[Fletch XXX]

Im not referring to any judgement.

Im quoting you.

Qhat the fuck dont you understand about it, its your words.

[Mutt]

are you an illiterate Fletch?

Are you familiar with Nabakov's 'Lolita'?

My original post had nothing to do with the legality of images with girls in braces. The question was 'Do you have a moral problem with girls in braces photos in that many of the viewers who look at said images will see in their mind's eye, their imagination, an underage girl, a taboo?'

Girls in braces are everywhere, and there is no doubt that part of the kick for the 20 and 30 year old girls wearing them is looking younger.

You seem kind of dull witted. Are you?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Mutt
are you an illiterate Fletch?

Are you familiar with Nabakov's 'Lolita'?

My original post had nothing to do with the legality of images with girls in braces. The question was 'Do you have a moral problem with girls in braces photos in that many of the viewers who look at said images will see in their mind's eye, their imagination, an underage girl, a taboo?'

Girls in braces are everywhere, and there is no doubt that part of the kick for the 20 and 30 year old girls wearing them is looking younger.

You seem kind of dull witted. Are you?

Yeah okay.

I quote you, and you ask me what I am referring to.

Its obvious who the illiterate one is.

You said.

"A fantasy what really is pedophilia."

You also said.

"but it probably does have something to with the allure of underage girls. "

<font color="yellow">So its obvious you know you are catering to Pedophiles. </font>

Birds of a feather I guess. You wouldnt make this content if you felt it was wrong, yet you admit to it "alluring to underage girls." You obviously like Lolita porn and get off looking at it.

Typical.

[twistyneck]

Mutt - Get rid of that music on your site. I can't remember the last time I closed a window so fast.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Birds of a feather I guess. You wouldnt make this content if you felt it was wrong, yet you admit to it "alluring to underage girls." You obviously like Lolita porn and get off looking at it.

Typical.

You should send him a link to those galleries you had on your TGP that had the word "lolita" in the title. Since he's so obviously into lolita porn you just might make another sale for the day.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You should send him a link to those galleries you had on your TGP that had the word "lolita" in the title. Since he's so obviously into lolita porn you just might make another sale for the day.

Wow, Sly Rj out of left field.

Didnt I take them down when you asked? Better yet, brought it to my attention.

And that as we spoke of was hosted sponsor galleries man.

Long gone.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Wow, Sly Rj out of left field.

Didnt I take them down when you asked? Better yet, brought it to my attention.

And that as we spoke of was hosted sponsor galleries man.

Long gone.

You're right, you did take them down after I mentioned something. But whatever, long gone. You're right.

[foe]

Am I the only one that thinks this is spam?

[Fletch XXX]

Seriously Sly.

This is wrong and you knwo it dude.

Out of bajillion links a fucking "title" from a sponsor gallery had Lolita in it.

You emailed me I took them down. Months ago.

Now you come at me?

I dont get it.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Seriously Sly.

This is wrong and you knwo it dude.

Out of bajillion links a fucking "title" from a sponsor gallery had Lolita in it.

You emailed me I took them down. Months ago.

Now you come at me?

I dont get it.

I'm not coming at anyone. You want to give someone else shit about lolita, someone is going to bust your chops sometime or another about all your "teen cheerleader sex" and what not.

I don't care either way. "Young teen", "lolita", is bad, we both agree. "Teen cheerleader sex" is fine, we both agree. College teens could easily be cheerleaders, so it's cool. But somebody, somewhere totally disagrees.

Just like I disagree with your whole rant up above. This guy is clearly asking a question about what people think, do you think braces go over the edge? I personally don't.

There is something sexy about a cute girl/woman in braces, but it probably does have something to with the allure of underage girls.

This seems to be the statement that you're having trouble with. Why? I don't get it. Because of "allure of underage girls" and suddenly that makes him a ped? Or someone who caters to peds?

"Teen cheerleader sex" gives the same idea. When you think of a cheerleader, almost every fantasy is with a high school girl. Right? Do you feed peds? No, you don't. I know this because I know you and how you feel about various topics.

You mentioned somewhere above that you aren't referring to laws and judgments, but when you made this quote:

No it's not illegal right now to market the fantasy of what really is pedophilia.

You had to be referring to some judgment, as this statement is referencing legalities. Mutt mentioned the word "pedophilia", bad choice of words, which you were right about Fletch.

But I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one... I doubt he creates content to cater peds. Just as I doubt you would purposely promote sites that cater to peds, which is exactly why I came to you first when I noticed the gallery.

Ok, enough for today. Time for Danzig.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Ok, enough for today. Time for Danzig.

I agree.

But let it be known, all my "teen cheerleader sex" goes to Lightspeed. If you have a problem with them, thats one thing. I dont.

Maybe I jumped the gun on homie on choice of words.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


I agree.

But let it be known, all my "teen cheerleader sex" goes to Lightspeed. If you have a problem with them, thats one thing. I dont.

Maybe I jumped the gun on homie on choice of words.

I don't. Would you like to see MY cheerleader sites?



Was just an example.

[jimmy3way]

Back to topic...I'm NOT a pedo but I do think girls with braces are hella sexy.

Yeah, it's mouth jewelery, but there's soemthing dangerous about it...heh heh.

I don't think surfers are into it but if there was a site called buck-ass-naked-hot-girls-with-braces.com I'd join and recur forever.

So...if anybody does that niche and does it well...you got one member.

[Za Ha]

Originally posted by Mutt
The latest court judgements have said if you can prove the model is of legal age you can do whatever you want with her.

Anything?

[Mutt]

There's a huge difference between pedophilia and what most of us know in this business as 'teen' content. Even Congress is starting to realise this, it's the prepubscent stuff that is outright sick, children are defenceless.

But as you start getting into the teens, that's where as a society we all grope aimlessly. There are many countries in the world where they have decided 17 was the age a girl is 'legal'. In some others it's 15.

When I said some teen content caters to pedophiles, yeah it does. And that doesn't make the person who makes it or sells it a
pedophile. We can't control what goes on in somebody's imagination, if when a guy looks at a photo of an 18 year old youngish looking model wearing braces, in his head he's decided she's 12 or 13 and then he goes into a jerkoff session imagining he's fucking a 13 year old.

And this latest Supreme Court decision was pretty clear that
it is acceptable for adult models to 'portray' young girls in sexual situations. The same as fantasy rape and violent porn is protected as 'free speech'. That stuff isn't much different from all the teen horror movies.

And let's be honest here, once a girl hits puberty, ALL men look
at these maturing girls in a sexual way. If u don't, you're lying.
What you do about is another story.

If you're a 35 year old guy and you start a sexual relationship with a 15 year old, you aren't a pedophile. I think it's usually wrong to go there, a 15 year old, even the ones who think they have it all figured out, are still pretty immature and really shouldn't have much in common with a 35 year old. Happens all the time though. I had a high school teacher, a great teacher,
maybe 45 years old,
a few years after I was away at college I heard this guy was in some trouble, he had left his wife for one of the girls in his class, i think she was 17, big scandal. This guy was NOT a pedophile by any stretch of the imagination. He was a great guy, no doubt a student of his fell in love with him, and he was flattered by it and the nubile young flesh and he gave in to his desires and allowed something to start.

The original question I had was where everybody's line is drawn
when it comes to teen content - i meant totally legal teen content. Do some people think dressing up an 18 year old model to suggest 13-15 is 'morally' wrong EVEN though it is legal?
Mainstream entertainment ain't any different, Britney Spears and the rest of the teen divas are completely sexualized and
go to a Britney concert some time, you will see some 30 and up guys there. Weird. And that's using a girl who really is underage, at least on the adult those who make and sell 'teen' content are
almost all using girls who are legal. Cept for that creton in Colorado with LPZIP.

Ya know what's surprising and a bit shocking? If you go to a lot
of paysites, and i'm talking some fairly big players, click on their
2257 notice, and you'll still see Lifestyles Photo there as a custodian of record. Anybody who still has any of his content on their sites is crazy.



Max Hardcore is up on charges in Los Angeles, i forget now exactly what the charges are, i think just straight obscenity charges. He takes 'legal' teen models and makes them 'act' and 'look' like they are borderline prepubescent girls - then for good measure he humiliates them. To me he is one fucked up hombre - but I think i'm on the side of free speech here.

I do think the braces are sexy on older girls, i know a few friends who are wearing them in their thirties - not the old fashioned 'railroad tracks' kind, these new ones are less noticeable but u do still see them, they are usually clear plastic and i have seen girls with colored braces.

ok enough from me, it always gets into a heated thing, i've seen this debated on boards a hundred times, just a few days ago on Oprano.

[sextoyking]

Mutt,

The blonde gal is pretty good looking. I think some content with gals wearing braces would sell pretty good

Don't worry about fletch, he talks shit all the time..

peace

todd

[Sambuka]

Speaking from someone who has had braces when I was around 15, i'm now 24. That picture of that not so hot girl with the funny smile makes me cringe when I see the braces. (just my personal reaction, probably bad memories from the pain of them coming back).

I totally agree with your comments on the teen stuff, people have imaginations of there own and do what they wish and they should be able too. We sell them a fantasy with legal girls and we don't hurt anyone.

Either way give people what they want, braces may be a new niche that people haven't targeted yet so it may work really good,

Best of luck.

Matt