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Would you pay to have a simulated FBI visit?

11-18-2007, 01:31 PM

You are confident that your 2257 records are accurate and properly organized, but you never really know until the FBI comes to pay a visit.

Would you be willing to pay for the peace of mind that should they come knocking you would pass?
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11-18-2007, 01:33 PM

I had once real police raid so i wont pay for any kind of simulation no matter what i do.
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11-18-2007, 01:37 PM

Peace of mind is where it's at!
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11-18-2007, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

I had once real police raid so i wont pay for any kind of simulation no matter what i do.

same here
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11-18-2007, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

I had once real police raid so i wont pay for any kind of simulation no matter what i do.

I have my doubts that the FBI would bother investigating a sig whore.

Originally posted by bm bradley

same here

So, you already had an FBI check out your 2257 stuff? How did it go?
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11-18-2007, 01:49 PM

i've been through one.

piece of cake if your stuff is in order.

i didn't even know they were there until i walked in our lunch room and saw it full of suits and office equipment.
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11-18-2007, 01:52 PM

got damn 2257 policia, good thing i r clean

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11-18-2007, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by A1R3K

i've been through one.

piece of cake if your stuff is in order.

i didn't even know they were there until i walked in our lunch room and saw it full of suits and office equipment.

Hindsight is 20/20. What if you were the one the approached? Would you have still thought "piece of cake?"

I know who made your records straight, but do you really know before put thru the test?
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11-18-2007, 01:58 PM

Only a real company would pay for something like this.

GFY is devoid of those kinds of companies. The people here make $1,000,000 a month and guess what they do with it? They spend ALL OF IT on hookers, beer, coke, friends, family and a 15 million dollar home. So no... No one here will have any money left over to pay for such an awesome concept.
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11-18-2007, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

Only a real company would pay for something like this.

GFY is devoid of those kinds of companies. The people here make $1,000,000 a month and guess what they do with it? They spend ALL OF IT on hookers, beer, coke, friends, family and a 15 million dollar home. So no... No one here will have any money left over to pay for such an awesome concept.

You may have a point there . . . but I am going after the lurkers. They are the ones that read my posts for the most part.
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11-18-2007, 03:05 PM

I actually MIGHT pay for a simulated FBI inspection.

Couple things would probably stop me though:

Real FBI agents are unique in their methods. One agent will handle things far differently than another, and being predictable is not really in their best interest, given the profession.

The rules are still being defined, and though there are certain benchmarks set, this is and will be an evolving issue for many years, until the 6th District decision is affirmed nationwide or the 2257 laws are overhauled. . . again.

Cost. The cost of flying an "expert" to pull off this simulation would probably be better spent on getting an actual adult attorney into my studio to rifle through everything and troubleshoot other materials (contracts, releases, etc) all in one shot. Most of the time my legal advice comes via telephone or in their office, not actually at my place.

Finally, given that a simulation would be good, I would really only be interested if the "examiner" had a background in federal law enforcement. A retired or former FBI agent who left on good terms would be the only "hook" that would inspire me to consider it. And then only AFTER the previously mentioned attorney had gone over everything a few times.
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11-18-2007, 03:26 PM

Well, the visit would be made by someone that has been in charge of the 2257 for a couple very large companies in the adult industry.

After the visit the results would be reviewed by our attorney, with certification that based upon the information provided, that should the FBI stop by you would pass their inspection.

Of course, we would never suggest that you should bypass/ignore the recommendations of your own attorney.
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11-18-2007, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Well, the visit would be made by someone that has been in charge of the 2257 for a couple very large companies in the adult industry.

After the visit the results would be reviewed by our attorney, with certification that based upon the information provided, that should the FBI stop by you would pass their inspection.

Of course, we would never suggest that you should bypass/ignore the recommendations of your own attorney.

Now would they guarantee that if you do get inspected and fail they will represent you for free, like your accountant?They do your tax returns and they are fucked up.They will show up with you to defend the return.
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11-18-2007, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by tony404

Now would they guarantee that if you do get inspected and fail they will represent you for free, like your accountant?They do your tax returns and they are fucked up.They will show up with you to defend the return.

We are considering offering a Custodian of Records upsell.
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11-18-2007, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

I had once real police raid so i wont pay for any kind of simulation no matter what i do.

Only one Ken?

Used to have em raid one company every Thursday - usually between 2 and 4. They'd remove boxes of really pathetic innocuous magazines, be ordered to return them by the court at the beginning of the week - then on Thursday there would be another raid when they were removing them again *lol*

We never bothered opening the boxes up - just left them for the Thursday raids. Doubt there have ever been more travelled magazines - damn, the shit ya get for being in the adult biz

PS FBI visit? No biggie. Would be interesting and amusing to test out the credibility and basis of such any request for data - that should take 2 mins. (In reality the FBI have no cred re 2257 in jurisdictions outside the US and seriously doubt they are that stupid).
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11-18-2007, 03:51 PM

Good hook.

Could also cost you a fortune, as you can't possibly predict what will be done AFTER you have given guidance and offered solutions.

Better upsell might be a quarterly program. Then you have some control over quality issues on an ongoing basis, and can increase your own confidence that representation after a real inspection probably won't be needed.

Putting your word behind the idea, in terms of representation if a legal problem arises, would be a very persuasive sales tool.
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11-18-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by GreyWolf

Only one Ken?

Used to have em raid one company every Thursday - usually between 2 and 4. They'd remove boxes of really pathetic innocuous magazines, be ordered to return them by the court at the beginning of the week - then on Thursday there would be another raid when they were removing them again *lol*

We never bothered opening the boxes up - just left them for the Thursday raids. Doubt there have ever been more travelled magazines - damn, the shit ya get for being in the adult biz

Sounds like they just needed to "refresh" the magazine collection in the precinct restroom every week or so.
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11-18-2007, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by GreyWolf

Only one Ken?

Used to have em raid one company every Thursday - usually between 2 and 4. They'd remove boxes of really pathetic innocuous magazines, be ordered to return them by the court at the beginning of the week - then on Thursday there would be another raid when they were removing them again *lol*

We never bothered opening the boxes up - just left them for the Thursday raids. Doubt there have ever been more travelled magazines - damn, the shit ya get for being in the adult biz

PS FBI visit? No biggie. Would be interesting and amusing to test out the credibility and basis of such any request for data - that should take 2 mins. (In reality the FBI have no cred re 2257 in jurisdictions outside the US and seriously doubt they are that stupid).

This service would not be economically feasible for those outside of the US. The odds of the FBI visiting you would be minimal.
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11-18-2007, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by JohnnyJames

Better upsell might be a quarterly program. Then you have some control over quality issues on an ongoing basis, and can increase your own confidence that representation after a real inspection probably won't be needed.

That has already been discussed as well.
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11-18-2007, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by baddog

We are considering offering a Custodian of Records upsell.

Please explain, im excited. If there could be a third party custodian of records somene stable who could be trusted,I would jump all over that. We are small I would gladly pay $300 a month for that for as long as I had my biz and 7 yrs after that.
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11-18-2007, 03:59 PM

Also, make sure they don't find a single dose of cocaina pura during their visit.

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11-18-2007, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by JohnnyJames

Sounds like they just needed to "refresh" the magazine collection in the precinct restroom every week or so.

These were different days JJ - it was a game and raids were part of the course in the industry

LE don't seem to do that now and appear to acknowledge there is a level of "public acceptability" which would have no hope in hell of effective prosecution in a jury trial. (If you saw the actual mags you'd roll over the floor laughing and a jury would prob do the same )

Despite that - had one cunning prosecutor who painted a picture of "ranges of obscenity" from "mild obscenity" to "extreme obscenity" and presented the idea that subject material was the "mildest form of obscenity" to a jury and argued that this was still obscene under the legal definition - smart move It would be very hard to claim anything other than "mild", but he failed to convince the court.

Since these days, it's amazing what juries have elected to say is not obscene - would hate to try and put up a justifiable defense for some of these cases.
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11-18-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by baddog

This service would not be economically feasible for those outside of the US. The odds of the FBI visiting you would be minimal.

Sure... understand baddog.
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11-18-2007, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by tony404

Please explain, im excited. If there could be a third party custodian of records somene stable who could be trusted,I would jump all over that. We are small I would gladly pay $300 a month for that for as long as I had my biz and 7 yrs after that.

As soon as I have figured everything out I will begin promoting it. I just came up with the idea on Wednesday afternoon. Need to get all my ducks in a row before launching it.
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11-18-2007, 05:05 PM

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I have my doubts that the FBI would bother investigating a sig whore.

Well there is no FBI in croatia just good old ordinary cops.But i did some things in history which could cause FBI interest but fortunatly i was undetected during that events.Also even now there are chances i may end in jail beacuse of some history events.
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11-18-2007, 07:22 PM

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11-18-2007, 07:49 PM

Why pay for a fake when you can have the real thing? If you write bad things about Bush constantly, not only will the FBI come and visit, they'll throw in a free memo to the Secret Service counter-terrorism unit in Washington. Its like getting two for one.

Been there, done that.
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11-18-2007, 09:10 PM

isn't this something you could simply take to your lawyer to make sure you're all legit on? i'd assume most legit programs would have somebody looking out for their asses in a legal sense already.
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11-18-2007, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by ismokeblunts

isn't this something you could simply take to your lawyer to make sure you're all legit on? i'd assume most legit programs would have somebody looking out for their asses in a legal sense already.

A lawyer is only going to advise you on how to be compliant, its still up to the company to do and keep the records compliant. Get a company that goes through a lot of content and thats a huge job in and of its own.
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11-18-2007, 10:37 PM

oh and I like the idea
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11-18-2007, 10:41 PM

I like the idea, would be interested. One issue though is that it would have to be both a lawyer and a police officer that has retired from the FBI, and then the lawyer MUST not be one of the main adult attornies that have had their thumbs up their asses for the past decade about all of this. Either spouting doom and gloom or profiteering of of fear, joining organizations such as the FSC, or selling protection scripts and the like.

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11-18-2007, 11:18 PM

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11-19-2007, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

Well there is no FBI in croatia just good old ordinary cops.But i did some things in history which could cause FBI interest but fortunatly i was undetected during that events.Also even now there are chances i may end in jail beacuse of some history events.

hm i guess people should read that before they do business with you....

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11-19-2007, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by baddog

As soon as I have figured everything out I will begin promoting it. I just came up with the idea on Wednesday afternoon. Need to get all my ducks in a row before launching it.

if its legal to do,there was some question about that (third party custodian)and I think its supposed to be clarified in the new version 2257 that will be out soon. If its a go, there is big money to be made all those people that dont want their home addy on the front page of their site, solo girls and small mom pop's. You can sell the shit out of that.
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11-19-2007, 05:07 AM

I would like someone who is in the know to go over my stuff and let me know what needs to be done or whatnot even do I dont have to since I live in Europe. I still would want to since many of my customers are based out of the United States.

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11-19-2007, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by kandah

I would like someone who is in the know to go over my stuff and let me know what needs to be done or whatnot even do I dont have to since I live in Europe. I still would want to since many of my customers are based out of the United States.

Not sure if my guy has a passport or not.
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11-19-2007, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Would you be willing to pay for the peace of mind that should they come knocking you would pass?

You don't need to pay...

The SAIC of inspections told me at last year's XBIZ Hollywood show that they would be happy to "unofficially" review documents and compliance efforts for those that are serious about their operations and make recommendations as to any "problem" areas.
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11-19-2007, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Stephen

You don't need to pay...

The SAIC of inspections told me at last year's XBIZ Hollywood show that they would be happy to "unofficially" review documents and compliance efforts for those that are serious about their operations and make recommendations as to any "problem" areas.

For some reason I don't think there are many that would take that chance. That would be like asking your local cops if they wouldn't mind bringing in their drug sniffing dog to make sure you had cleaned out all your stash.
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11-19-2007, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

hm i guess people should read that before they do business with you....

Lol you even didnt know what i did and you concluded people should "read".There are billions of stupid ways to end in jail here.For example i remember when how they arrested 85 year old woman beacuse she tried to sell old pants of her dead husband in city.Fortunatly they released her after one day.
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11-19-2007, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

Only a real company would pay for something like this.

GFY is devoid of those kinds of companies. The people here make $1,000,000 a month and guess what they do with it? They spend ALL OF IT on hookers, beer, coke, friends, family and a 15 million dollar home. So no... No one here will have any money left over to pay for such an awesome concept.

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