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Is there any $ in adult for newbies?

11-17-2007, 04:51 AM

I've been working in adult for many years.. probably 6+. But mainly on the design side of things.. and am employed full time as an adult designer.

But I have limited experience on the other end.. traffic.. tgp's... getting joins etc..

so for someone who doesn't do all that other stuff... is there any money to be made anymore?
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11-17-2007, 04:53 AM

Just an urban myth, son. Sorry.
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11-17-2007, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by Retributi0n

I've been working in adult for many years.. probably 6+. But mainly on the design side of things.. and am employed full time as an adult designer.

But I have limited experience on the other end.. traffic.. tgp's... getting joins etc..

so for someone who doesn't do all that other stuff... is there any money to be made anymore?

Not in my case - I'm currently spending more per month on hosting than I make back.

And I'm on a shared package...

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11-17-2007, 04:55 AM

While it's not impossible, it's a lot harder than it used to be to start fresh. With a design background you're already one step ahead of the average joe though.
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11-17-2007, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by testpie

Not in my case - I'm currently spending more per month on hosting than I make back.

And I'm on a shared package...

But why do you then spend your time, if you are not at least positive for a few bucks?

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11-17-2007, 05:00 AM

i guess for a typical newbie it can be quite hard, getitng free traffic nowadays isnt easy

well if he's a pro in programming etc he can get started quite good in SEO but a typical newbie, with average webmaster skills will have it quite hard

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11-17-2007, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by ultra100

But why do you then spend your time, if you are not at least positive for a few bucks?

Because I'm an idiot, and I don't have to actually do much toward the site, as it works on the basis of webmasters submitting links that are automatically accepted based on certain criteria.

To put it another way, the lazy fucker does not catch the worm...

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11-17-2007, 05:05 AM

Step 1. Set up adult website.
Step 2. Keep building and updating website.
Step 3. Build another adult website.
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11-17-2007, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by testpie

Because I'm an idiot, and I don't have to actually do much toward the site, as it works on the basis of webmasters submitting links that are automatically accepted based on certain criteria.

To put it another way, the lazy fucker does not catch the worm...

Which site by the way? ThePinkList.tk?

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11-17-2007, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by ultra100

Which site by the way? ThePinkList.tk?

The very same.

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11-17-2007, 05:15 AM

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11-17-2007, 05:21 AM

Im a newbie and it is hard Its taken me around six months to see some money coming in and its not a huge amount but I am at last making more than what I spend on the hosting/ advertising. I had to put a lot of hours in to make the small amount of money which I currently make. Also got lucky and got a bit of work from another webmaster which also brings in a few extra pennys, Anyways I enjoy what i am doing even though im not making vast amounts of money.

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11-17-2007, 05:21 AM

I started less than a year ago working a few hours a day. Found a formula that worked for me and now I am doing alright. To make your full living off adult right off the bat would be hard. You need money to make money. I am no expert by any means that is just the way I see it.
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11-17-2007, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by testpie

Not in my case - I'm currently spending more per month on hosting than I make back.

And I'm on a shared package...

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11-17-2007, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by testpie

Not in my case - I'm currently spending more per month on hosting than I make back.

And I'm on a shared package...

are you being serious man?!

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11-17-2007, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by Retributi0n

I've been working in adult for many years.. probably 6+. But mainly on the design side of things.. and am employed full time as an adult designer.

But I have limited experience on the other end.. traffic.. tgp's... getting joins etc..

so for someone who doesn't do all that other stuff... is there any money to be made anymore?

If you try starting your own paysites then u will need a small fortune to compete in this now with all the vod sites around but common sense should tell you that anyway!
Being an affiliate is a way to make some small money but the best bet for a starter would be going for selling ad space or joining programs that pay out so much per click etc.
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11-17-2007, 05:42 AM

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11-17-2007, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by DollarKing

If you try starting your own paysites then u will need a small fortune to compete in this now with all the vod sites around but common sense should tell you that anyway!

That's a myth.

If you want to be a king fish, high res, super site... Yes.

If you want to make some decent coin in the short term while building up content to start a website 6 months later, etc it will take you about $1000-1500.00, a camera, camcorder, lights, a place to shoot, and some girls.

If you get into the right niche, you will be making money your money back in 45-60 days. After a few months, you should have enough to launch a site. Then you start adding in DVD sales, custom work, etc....

Now you are making more than 97% of GFY, and living above the 'average American'.

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11-17-2007, 05:51 AM

everything is possible....

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11-17-2007, 05:52 AM

My take is that traffic equals money.

To make money, you have to have a scheme for getting traffic.

The only sure-fire scheme is build lots of sites, promote them the old-fashioned way, give them lots of time (years!) to mature. By the time that's working for you, you won't be a newbie any more.

If there ever were fast, easy, free-traffic ways to do it, I was too late or missed out or misunderstood them, because the long slow way is the only thing that's ever worked for me.

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11-17-2007, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by scottybuzz

are you being serious man?!

Hell yes - one day I'll crack it, but until then, I'm happy to keep paying off the tiny hosting amount out of the money I've made elsewhere in the industry.

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11-17-2007, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by Forkbeard

My take is that traffic equals money.

True to some degree, however, CONVERSIONS is the key.

That goes for adult, and mainstream. In mainstream especially. You will not have traffic schemes like there is in adult where you throw a mil of shit traffic and hope something sticks.

Case in point, the hun.

How many threads on here of people who've been listed, and get 1, or 2 sales? All the traffic in the world doesn't mean shit if you can't convert it to a sale.

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11-17-2007, 06:34 AM

Barefootsies, my buddy

you left out the part about getting traffic

you have content, product, idea for a paysite, get billing etc but even then you have to get traffic somehow

so after you've done all that you have a great paysite, but with no traffic

you're in same position as some affiliate who starts out

he probably will try to get traffic with the same methods you'll get it
you have an advantage cause you have fresh unsatuyrated content and you're in control of everything, his advantage is that he didnt invest anything yet and he has hundreds of sponsors to chose from, who will supply him with free content ot even hosting

im just saying that its not that you build it and they will come... even if its a very good product

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11-17-2007, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

That's a myth.

If you want to be a king fish, high res, super site... Yes.

If you want to make some decent coin in the short term while building up content to start a website 6 months later, etc it will take you about $1000-1500.00, a camera, camcorder, lights, a place to shoot, and some girls.

Get some interesting girls and get them to work for nothing over a indefinite time period then maybe you could build up enough material to cover 1 paysite launch but otherwise what number of girls could you get anything substantial from in the way of material for a grand or so realistically?
Then theres traffic to generate to that site and members to retain and grow plus chargebacks to consider what sort of coin did you have in mind?
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11-17-2007, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

Barefootsies, my buddy

you left out the part about getting traffic

Tisk tisk. And there in lies the rump..

You will get traffic off your content in the beginning before launching a site. You can get more traffic via TGP or buying it if you wish old friend.

As for my method. I've rinse, wash, repeated this method multiple times with better results each time. So I have it almost perfected.

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11-17-2007, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by DollarKing

Get some interesting girls and get them to work for nothing over a indefinite time period then maybe you could build up enough material to cover 1 paysite launch but otherwise what number of girls could you get anything substantial from in the way of material for a grand or so realistically?
Then theres traffic to generate to that site and members to retain and grow plus chargebacks to consider what sort of coin did you have in mind?

Incorrect.

As I said. I've done this on the launch of more than one site, and all make money and continue to do so.

Everyone has this idea that it is so hard. You can't launch unless you have $10,000.00 in content shot by Paul Markham, and traffic from Sleazy or Choker.

It's not.

The keys to the city are there. You just have to find the right niche market(s), KNOW ABOUT THE NICHE YOUR ARE SHOOTING, and follow the path to success. Put in some work doing your link building, and promotion and you're off.

You are not going to be making your half million a year, and claiming you own Porsche's and 4000 sq foot houses. But you will be making more than a lot more than middle America.

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11-17-2007, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

Incorrect.

You are not going to be making your half million a year, and claiming you own Porsche's and 4000 sq foot houses. But you will be making more than a lot more than middle America.

What one paysite in today's market for a beginner?
A grand or so for girls to shoot content and then add a billing processor on top that is nonsense period!
Don't be surprised if barefootsies hits u up soon on icq and tries to sell you something!
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11-17-2007, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by DollarKing

What one paysite in today's market for a beginner?
A grand or so for girls to shoot content and then add a billing processor on top that is nonsense period!
Don't be surprised if barefootsies hits u up soon on icq and tries to sell you something!

Apparently you are an idiot. No wonder you can't make any money.

No one's going to give you the road map bitch.

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11-17-2007, 07:27 AM

There is money but it doesn't happen over night or in the first week or the first month in most cases. By that time most newbies give up.
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11-17-2007, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by teg0

There is money but it doesn't happen over night or in the first week or the first month in most cases. By that time most newbies give up.

True dat.

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11-17-2007, 07:38 AM

if you see adult as easy money its not and its really wasnt when we started almost 8 yrs ago.We were a free site for a year,then went pay.We both worked our regular jobs for another 12 months just putting whatever money the site made back into it.From training to upgrading equipment. Was then able after busting our asses for a year to go fulltime. Adult has a advantage over mainstream you can still generate your own traffic.
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11-17-2007, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

Apparently you are an idiot. No wonder you can't make any money.

No one's going to give you the road map bitch.

Being a competitive market i would be surprised if they did but please explain how you manage to make between $1000-1,500 really go places in launching your first paysite in terms of decent content , billing etc?
Then on top of that retain a member base and avoid chargebacks assuming you are managing some traffic in the short term!
Your vague remarks are typical of people who make outlandish claims as to what you can do realistically in a market!
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11-17-2007, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by DollarKing

Being a competitive market i would be surprised if they did but please explain how you manage to make between $1000-1,500 really go places in launching your first paysite in terms of decent content , billing etc?
Then on top of that retain a member base and avoid chargebacks assuming you are managing some traffic in the short term!
Your vague remarks are typical of people who make outlandish claims as to what you can do realistically in a market!

Your comments are those of someone who thinks I am going to hold your little newbie hand and show you where and how to do something.

It can be done. I've done it. Others have as well.

Just because you can't manage to think outside the box doesn't mean shit.

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11-17-2007, 07:47 AM

Who says i am a newbie?
You can explain yourself a little better i think instead of using that as a lame excuse for not explaining yourself and running away from my points!
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11-17-2007, 07:47 AM

You make no points bitch. You also need to learn to fucking read.

Did I say you would launch a pay site on $1500 of content? No.

I said you could use that material to get started. In 30-45 day you should make your money back. You go shoot another $1500 of material. Rinse, wash, repeat for about 6 months.

Now you should have 3 months of material to launch a pay site if you've done it right. Plus a few DVD's to be sold.

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11-17-2007, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by testpie

Hell yes - one day I'll crack it, but until then, I'm happy to keep paying off the tiny hosting amount out of the money I've made elsewhere in the industry.

I dont want to be rude here but if you have been doing this for over a year and have still not cracked it, why dont you move onto something else online? or maybe even start something offline.

I dont mean to cause offense or anything but your skills must surely be put to better use elsewhere.

If you enjoy it as a hobby and love working then cool carry on, but if money is no1 then review your options, thats what I would do anyway.

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11-17-2007, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

You make no points bitch. You also need to learn to fucking read.

You claim in your first post that you can start making some money before launching a site how?
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11-17-2007, 08:04 AM

I think a seasoned webmaster in the general market can do well in the adult world pretty quickly but a complete newb to the webmaster scene simply can't.

I'm an adult newb and finding it to be a pretty hard transition since practically everything is different.

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11-17-2007, 08:05 AM

we all start at newb... then we become pro

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11-17-2007, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by scottybuzz

I dont want to be rude here but if you have been doing this for over a year and have still not cracked it, why dont you move onto something else online? or maybe even start something offline.

I dont mean to cause offense or anything but your skills must surely be put to better use elsewhere.

If you enjoy it as a hobby and love working then cool carry on, but if money is no1 then review your options, thats what I would do anyway.

The only real reason I'm still running it is because I have enough of a slush fund to continue running it until the domain expires in the middle of next year, and seeing as the hosting is fairly cheap to maintain on a monthly basis, I figured I may as well keep it up until the domain expires and see what happens.

I do happen to have plenty of other mainstream projects, and would love to crack adult as a "full-time part-time" pursuit (if that makes any sense), but to be honest the money isn't really the most important thing to me at the moment; it's more about learning the ins and outs of the industry and generally making a dick of myself on GFY.

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11-17-2007, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by DollarKing

you can start making some money before launching a site

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11-17-2007, 09:05 AM

the answer is "may be"
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11-17-2007, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

Correct.

Some people have got weird sexual tastes getting turned on by looking at girls sucking feet and cartoons are they yours barefootsies?
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11-17-2007, 10:05 AM

Mmmm.... if I read this thread before going online - I'd run a mile

Forgetting "webmastering" - it's assumed that ability exists already (would you ask your dentist if he can do dental work?) - online biz is little different to real world where a degree of business accumen is required.

That means, capital, a business plan (based on reality as opposed to Excel spreadsheet fantasy) and preferably a degree of other relevant skills ie programming/design/ whatever. The ability to do a job once and automate is crucial.

Blinding aimlessly hoping for traffic and signing up with new sponsors each week in the hope of increased earnings is going to cost both financially and be a total waste of time. From any sponsor list of affiliates, around 10-15% at most do worthwhile biz, - the remainder just clog a sponsor database.

For an individual genuinely interested in this market there is hope - the first criteria is liking what you do. (That does not mean drooling over stupid pics - they don't exist to drool over - they are intended for marketing to the drooling public). If the end result of enthusism is a good product, earnings usually follow on - tho they may vary.

If there are any misconceptions about earning millions with little work - the salary at McDonalds is far better. Bottom line - the adult online industry is very little different to "offline" adult, but with more people drifting in and out hoping to be players, bros or whatever label gives them percieved cred.

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11-17-2007, 10:06 AM

you sure can, but right now I think you're better off going mainstream rather than adult
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11-17-2007, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Retributi0n

I've been working in adult for many years.. probably 6+. But mainly on the design side of things.. and am employed full time as an adult designer.

But I have limited experience on the other end.. traffic.. tgp's... getting joins etc..

so for someone who doesn't do all that other stuff... is there any money to be made anymore?

Stick to design work and enhance on that and if you are not solo go that route on top of being employed by some other company too.
Otherwise despite whatever peoples remarks in this thread can you really spare the time amongst all other things?
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11-17-2007, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by DollarKing

Being a competitive market i would be surprised if they did but please explain how you manage to make between $1000-1,500 really go places in launching your first paysite in terms of decent content , billing etc?
Then on top of that retain a member base and avoid chargebacks assuming you are managing some traffic in the short term!
Your vague remarks are typical of people who make outlandish claims as to what you can do realistically in a market!

I'll vouch for Barefootsies, it's very possible, but we like the idea that you need $30k to start your own paysite, keep telling everyone

I started one for under $1k and I'm weeks away from launching another for the same... with exclusive content.
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11-17-2007, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by fuzebox

I started one for under $1k and I'm weeks away from launching another for the same... with exclusive content.

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11-17-2007, 11:37 AM

It's not as difficult as most make it out to be, but it will certainly be more of a challenge than an inexperienced webmaster is planning on. One of four things will happen to a n00b:

1. They get tired of putting work into something that isn't profitable and quit prematurely rather than tinker with the various options available to them.

2. Same as above, but they continue to follow the adult business primarily as a spectator with the intention of eventually getting back into things. In the meantime I think some of these surfermasters become posers that can't restrain themselves on the boards.

3. This is rare, but some n00bs are so far out in left field that they accidentally do something amazing and cash in outside of the business model safety net that most experienced webmasters confine themselves to for financial security reasons.

4. These webmasters tried a bunch of different things, were not afraid to change things up and kept at it until they landed on their feet. Maybe it was six months of trial end error. Maybe it was two years.

Now, how exactly one should specifically go about this as a new or struggling webmaster is open for debate. Personally, I think anything having to do with TGP's or TGP traffic in general is going to create problems here in 2007 for someone who doesn't know what they are doing. It used to be that TGP was the starting point. Now I think it's probably more like blogs.

And of course you should at first limit yourself to niches that you personally love and thus understand what is going to sell. There are a TON of paysites out there created by people who didn't understand the niche. Never assume that since you don't understand a niche, your sponsor does and thus you are safe sending traffic because usually you aren't!
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