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Pleasurepays 11-13-2007 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 13368258)
I think many people don't realize it's a fixed system. Also, many realize this and are too lazy/comfortable to want to change. I mentioned that things would have to get bad before many wake up. Maybe $8 gas will help. But I am proud to be called naive if the alternative is resignation to impotence. So thanks- and vote for R. Paul.
i think YOU didn't realize how things work.


i love this quasi-communist thinking you have that assumes everyone is just too dumb to know whats good for them and thats why there are problems... so people like you who "get it" need to step up.

thats why i appreciate democracy... you get to rant but in the end, i am comforted by the fact that it changes nothing and i dont have to worry about a minority wanting to do the best for the majority.

tony286 11-13-2007 04:55 PM
A big problem Paul has is the republican machine doesnt like him. They hit the main stream voters pretty hard.

charlie g 11-13-2007 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 13368264)
Charlie, you serve up so many nice slow pitches that anyone can hit over the fence. I agree with Pleasurepays (gasp!), you must be incredibly young because what seems all shiny and new to you is the same old bullshit recycled to the rest of us (heck, I don't have to go back to the days of the Who, and "the parting on the left, is now a parting on the right" mentality of politics. Won't get fooled again...)



Gotta start here, because this is the funniest comment of the bunch. The US isn't policing the world, the US is trying to jam democracy down people's throats. The Chinese ain't going to ram democracy down anyone's throats, and guess what? Communism is actually pretty cheap to impliment (a few guns, a few killings, a large and paranoid police force, citizens reporting on each other). Democracy is expensive. Dictatorships are remarkably cheap.



hahahahhahhahahahahaaha plop! (my head just fell off I was laughing so hard). Don't get me started on voodoo economics or republican trickle down bullshit (because it is bullshit, a total excuse for the richest few to pay less taxes, isn't that what Ron Paul is against?). Clinton took power, and did something that no Republican President in 40 years has done: HE DIDN'T FUCK IT UP. He went and got a blowjob from an Intern just like every other wallstreet guy was doing, and left the money making to the money makers. He didn't fuck with it, and it worked for his entire term without exception.

Bush came in, and within 12 months, the country was in the toilet and has never truly come back.



As an elected official Ron Paul has been in the position to create legislation, express opinions, raise public awareness, and change the way things are done. Until he submitted his candidacy for President, he was the member from... well, I don't even know, that is how fucking low this guy is on the radar. He hasn't distingushed himself, he hasn't been widely quoted in the news, he doesn't regularly make the evening news, he hasn't stood up and said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore". He was background noise.

In a few months, he will be a footnote in presidential electrion history, the guy who dropped out second or third from a totally horrible set of republican candidates.

First, I am probably older than you Alex. It is easy to dismiss opinions you dont agree with by labeling them as naive, young, or just plain stupid. I have seen the late 70's when we had double digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment. You can dismiss what Reagan did for our country but only the most uninformed don't give Reagan his due.

As far as Clinton, staying the fuck out of the way is an accomplishment? That is one of the reasons we are in this shit. He is the forest gump of the boomer generation.

Maybe one of the mainstream candidates will make a fine president and we will keep our heads above water. I will vote for the lesser of 2 evils. There's nothing I can do about it. He doesnt have a chance to win so fuck it. Am I sounding more mature now or less naive?

BTW, the president may not make laws. He can veto, sets foreign policy and generally sets the tone for debate on capitol hill. I would love for congress to debate a fair-easy tax system instead of what they are now(which is what?). I would also love to cast my vote for a man who has demonstrated conviction and values(look at his record).

uno 11-13-2007 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 13367411)
Yes, but as more and more people realize the fix is in it will be impossible for the crooked bastards to continue to blind us with bullshit. But as I said, shit will have to get really bad first.
The more people think "the fix is in" the more jaded and apathetic they'll become. Have you seen the people in this country lately?

ADL Colin 11-13-2007 05:17 PM
I "got it" once. Then "it" changed.

charlie g 11-13-2007 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 13368309)
i think YOU didn't realize how things work.


i love this quasi-communist thinking you have that assumes everyone is just too dumb to know whats good for them and thats why there are problems... so people like you who "get it" need to step up.

thats why i appreciate democracy... you get to rant but in the end, i am comforted by the fact that it changes nothing and i dont have to worry about a minority wanting to do the best for the majority.
Talk about naive. Just watch television for 20 minutes to see where a large portion of the populaces IQ level is. And the problem is the people who get it, as you say, don.t step up. You cant have it both ways, either "everyone gets it" and I am young and just now figuring it out, or few get it and it needs to be said.

And by the way, we DO NOT have a democratic system of government, so I am not sure what you appreciate. I am glad we don't live in a democracy where the majority can trample the rights of the individual(which is the overriding principle that this country was founded on).

Ron Paul will probably not get elected. And you can dismiss him as a fringe cook because his view of government is different than yours and the people now in power. But everything he espouses is based on Constitutional law and the bill of rights. You may think these are fringe and cooky ideas, but without them we are no different than any other place in the world. I think it is important to try to preserve them and that is why Ron Paul will get my vote.

xmas13 11-13-2007 05:46 PM
The CIA should send him to Guantanamo.

Pleasurepays 11-13-2007 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 13368529)
Talk about naive. Just watch television for 20 minutes to see where a large portion of the populaces IQ level is. And the problem is the people who get it, as you say, don.t step up. You cant have it both ways, either "everyone gets it" and I am young and just now figuring it out, or few get it and it needs to be said.
again... any position that assumes everyone is stupid is a dangerous one. every insane dictator thought/thinks the same thing. hitler knew the world would be better off without jews and because he was able to rationalize his view being the minority view as you are... he started ww2


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And by the way, we DO NOT have a democratic system of government, so I am not sure what you appreciate. I am glad we don't live in a democracy where the majority can trample the rights of the individual(which is the overriding principle that this country was founded on).
uhmm... ok. not sure how this makes any sense but i assume you are going to play semantics with the word democracy and use examples out of context, where it should be clear that "democracy" in the context of these types of conversations simply means people voting for what they want vs autocracies, monarchy's, dictatorships etc.

the rights of the individual are defined by law... not someones backward idea of "i should be able to do anything i want and no one should tell me otherwise" as some people here tend to think.

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Ron Paul will probably not get elected. And you can dismiss him as a fringe cook because his view of government is different than yours and the people now in power. But everything he espouses is based on Constitutional law and the bill of rights. You may think these are fringe and cooky ideas, but without them we are no different than any other place in the world. I think it is important to try to preserve them and that is why Ron Paul will get my vote.

1) he won't get elected.... that should be obvious to anyone with an IQ over 10.

2) i NEVER said i disagree with a lot of what he believes ... in principle... or that his view of government is different than mine.

its not the ideas that are "kooky"... its the idea that someone can just barge into washington and change the world without the help of the congress and senate as a cowboy that is "kooky" and thus, its not just about "ron paul" or what he believes in that matters. change and leadership are about broader support of people and the government.

ADL Colin 11-13-2007 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by aico (Post 13368089)
Obviously you are scared, starting a thread about it proves that.
You must have an entirely different definition of "obviously" than I do. Scared of what, exactly? I don't think Ron Paul has much of a chance at all of being elected and even if he were there is about a zero % chance (rounded, of course) that the Federal Reserve or IRS will be abolished.

I don't think a Ron Paul presidency would be materially better or worse than a Clinton or Giuliani one.

Xplicit 11-13-2007 06:19 PM
Ron Paul is this industry's BEST CHOICE, hands down, period!

If you have half a fucking brain, spend 1 hour researching the candidates, if you can't come to the conclusion that Ron Paul's positions protect our industry the best you're completely fucking retarded.

His record speaks for itself. We're in an industry that has become a direct target of government regulation time and time again.

I don't care what I may disagree with him on, none of it outweighs protecting my income.

WAKE UP PEOPLE - RON PAUL 2008!

charlie g 11-13-2007 06:22 PM
If the people support Paul enough to be elected then he will have enough support to make changes.

The majority of people did not vote for bush. The majority of people did not vote for clinton. So my point that we do not live in a democracy is valid. It's not just semantics, it is an important distinction.

Individual rights are not defined by law but are limited by them. They are defined by the constitution and the bill of rights. These are documents that are the basis for everything our country was founded upon. These are ideals that Ron Paul holds central to his candidacy and this is the reason I am still continuing this thread.

ADL Colin 11-13-2007 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Xplicit (Post 13368698)
Ron Paul is this industry's BEST CHOICE, hands down, period!

If you have half a fucking brain, spend 1 hour researching the candidates, if you can't come to the conclusion that Ron Paul's positions protect our industry the best you're completely fucking retarded.

His record speaks for itself. We're in an industry that has become a direct target of government regulation time and time again.

I don't care what I may disagree with him on, none of it outweighs protecting my income.

WAKE UP PEOPLE - RON PAUL 2008!
Our industry *does* have a lot of cheerleaders. Here's to one more. :drinkup

ADL Colin 11-13-2007 06:24 PM
53 wasted votes!

Xplicit 11-13-2007 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13368717)
Our industry *does* have a lot of cheerleaders. Here's to one more. :drinkup

Please enlighten me.

Whos hands do you trust our industry in? A fucking FEMINIST FEMALE (Hillary) or BUSH pt2 (Rudy).

Seriously, tell me who your choice is and why. Tell me what that person has done or said that assures you our industry won't face additional gov regulations.

ADL Colin 11-13-2007 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Xplicit (Post 13368730)
Please enlighten me.

Whos hands do you trust our industry in? A fucking FEMINIST FEMALE (Hillarty) or BUSH pt2 (Rudy).

Seriously, tell me who your choice is and why. Tell me what that person has done or said that assures you our industry won't face additional gov regulations.
You are trying to frame question as to which candidate has views that are the friendliest to the porn industry? Of course, the answer is the libertarian. If I were to vote on that one issue then Paul would be the best of those 3 candidates. My views on social liberties ARE libertarian. Of course it doesn't matter cuz the guy is NOT going to win the Republican nomination and no amount of cheerleading is gonna change that.

But I don't vote on just this one issue. "Social liberties" and "protection of the porn industry" aren't my only concerns. Each of the various candidates has advantages and disadvantages over each other. They are largely a matter of personal preference. You can't "get it" or not "get it". It is a question of the way one wants the world to be. "12 Clicks" like Republicans, you like libertarians, Dig420 likes Democrats. None of them "get it" or "don't get it". These are personal preferences about the world and the way you'd like it to be. That is it.

I think abolishing the IRS, the Federal Reserve and pulling the US out of the UN is potentially so disruptive that "protection of the porn industry" would not be very high on my list of concerns after it.

Xplicit 11-13-2007 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13368778)
You are trying to frame question as to which candidate has views that are the friendliest to the porn industry? Of course, the answer is the libertarian. If I were to vote on that one issue then Paul would be the best of those 3 candidates. My views on social liberties ARE libertarian. Of course it doesn't matter cuz the guy is NOT going to win the Republican nomination and no amount of cheerleading is gonna change that.

But I don't vote on just this one issue. "Social liberties" and "protection of the porn industry" aren't my only concerns. Each of the various candidates has advantages and disadvantages over each other. They are largely a matter of personal preference. You can't "get it" or not "get it". It is a question of the way one wants the world to be. "12 Clicks" like Republicans, you like libertarians, Dig420 likes Democrats. None of them "get it" or "don't get it". These are personal preferences about the world and the way you'd like it to be. That is it.

I think abolishing the IRS, the Federal Reserve and pulling the US out of the UN is potentially so disruptive that "protection of the porn industry" would not be very high on my list of concerns after it.
Great, continue to support the policies that have us paying taxes out of our asses, and the forign policy thats made us the most hated country on the earth.

....and your support of those policies outweighs protecting your own industry, bank account, and future earnings.

Got it, thanks for clearing things up. :1orglaugh


P.S. You dodged the question - WHO DO YOU SUPPORT AND WHY?

ADL Colin 11-13-2007 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Xplicit (Post 13368798)
Great, continue to support the policies that have us paying taxes out of our asses, and the forign policy thats made us the most hated country on the earth.

....and your support of those policies outweighs protecting your own industry, bank account, and future earnings.

Got it, thanks for clearing things up. :1orglaugh


P.S. You dodged the question - WHO DO YOU SUPPORT AND WHY?
No, I didn't dodge the question at all. I said "each of the various candidates has advantages and disadvantages over each other". You presume that everyone supports one particular candidate? I like some positions of Clintons more than Giulianis. I support some positions of McCains over Obamas. I support some positions of Pauls over Clintons. It's a mixed bag with any politician. I'm not a card-carrying member of any of those parties.

Which policies are you assuming I support and of which candidate? I didn't comment at all on taxes or foreign policy. You just pulled that out of your ass. Quite presumptuous, aren't you?

Drake 11-13-2007 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Xplicit (Post 13368698)
Ron Paul is this industry's BEST CHOICE, hands down, period!

If you have half a fucking brain, spend 1 hour researching the candidates, if you can't come to the conclusion that Ron Paul's positions protect our industry the best you're completely fucking retarded.

His record speaks for itself. We're in an industry that has become a direct target of government regulation time and time again.

I don't care what I may disagree with him on, none of it outweighs protecting my income.

WAKE UP PEOPLE - RON PAUL 2008!
C'mon there is more than this industry that's at stake.

ADL Colin 11-13-2007 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Xplicit (Post 13368698)
I don't care what I may disagree with him on, none of it outweighs protecting my income.
Please. The IRS is the only government agency that loves the porn industry :1orglaugh

drjones 11-13-2007 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dstaff (Post 13368079)
There isn't a doubt in my mind that the morons of America will elect someone who will continue on the path of self destruction....enjoy the slippery slope.
What he said.

Xplicit 11-13-2007 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13368833)
No, I didn't dodge the question at all. I said "each of the various candidates has advantages and disadvantages over each other". You presume that everyone supports one particular candidate? I like some positions of Clintons more than Giulianis. I support some positions of McCains over Obamas. I support some positions of Pauls over Clintons. It's a mixed bag with any politician. I'm not a card-carrying member of any of those parties.

Which policies are you assuming I support and of which candidate? I didn't comment at all on taxes or foreign policy. You just pulled that out of your ass. Quite presumptuous, aren't you?
Yes you did dodge the question. I agree its a mixed bag, anyone with half a brain knows the chances of any 1 politician mirroring every you have is highly unlikely - you just stated the obvious.

Now out of this 'mixed bag', choose ONE.

Lets make it easy, complete this sentence "If I had to vote right now, it would be for ______ "

ADL Colin 11-14-2007 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Xplicit (Post 13368993)
Yes you did dodge the question. I agree its a mixed bag, anyone with half a brain knows the chances of any 1 politician mirroring every you have is highly unlikely - you just stated the obvious.

Now out of this 'mixed bag', choose ONE.

Lets make it easy, complete this sentence "If I had to vote right now, it would be for ______ "
Apparently it is not so obvious. Most people would say it is a mixed bag but STILL have a preference for one candidate or the other. I don't. Not at all. I have no OVERALL preference between the current candidates that allows me to decide which of them would most likely lead to a world that I thought was better either for me, my family, my country or the world.

Optimally, I'd take a Democratic president and a Republican Congress and Senate OR a Republican president with a Democratic Congress and Senate.I really don't care which.

Juicy D. Links 11-14-2007 07:30 AM
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